Off topic “coronavirus”

[Coronita]

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[The-Shoveler]

Passenger removed after coronavirus scare on flight from Las Vegas to Baltimore (domestic flight)

Experts are saying the numbers in china are likely 10X reported.

So yea I know it is just my unwarranted panic, but I am going to pick up some masks on the way home tonight.

[The-Shoveler]

Shanghai has turned into a ‘ghost town’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shanghai-ghost-town-coronavirus-130527456.html

[Myriad]

So it looks like the problem is that China was slow to quarantine Wuhan. They should have done it before 4.5M people left the city. It’s hard to see how a significant portion of Asia will not be affected.

Definitely the Year of the Rat. Everyone in China is hiding like a rat.

So the CDC is still waiting for results for 73 out of 110 people in 26 states. Probably most of them are negative, but that’s a pretty big number for the US.

[Coronita]

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/possible-coronavirus-case-being-investigated-at-san-diego-hospital-hhsa/2251181/

Was over at Daiso and Zion Markets yesterday. Plenty of people wearing a surgical mask. And among a friend group, there was one parent that was admonished by other asian parents because her mother just came back from Hubei and was dropping offer grandkids at Ocean Air school for a few days, refuses to go see a doctor and refuses to go get tested by a doctor and continues to think she’s not sick and not contagious and doesn’t care. That’s also part of the problem. Some people who are at risk probably don’t care.

That said, US is probably going to be ok because it seems like we have the resources and medical facilities to deal with this, and the CDC seems to be on top of this and don’t have any motivations to cover things up or drag their feet… Neither do any of the asian nations, since they’ll probably just close their borders.

China will see the worst of it because as many of the CDC professionals already suspected, China’s local province tried to cover this up and didn’t respond to the issue quick enough and didn’t report these cases earlier to Beijing central in time for Beijing to send resources right away, and those people that already started to send out warnings from the local provinces were either arrested or suppressed and the state control media couldn’t report what was really happening, as some of the people locally there were already telling others over the phone or snapchat etc. So while Beijing responded rather quickly and drastically to quarantine the entire province, which is remarkable in itself, because it probably couldn’t have been done elsewhere, it’s probably too late. And only now is part of this truth being reported…

Here’s the english version of what happened earlier:

“China spent the crucial first days of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak arresting people who posted about it online and threatening journalists”

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-information-crackdown-on-wuhan-coronavirus-2020-1

Don’t even try to draw a comparison between China’s control on the media and the Trump administration. While Trump administration has been trying its best to suppress the truth and shame journalists as disgusting at it is, none of our journalists are taking it.
There’s a reason why among many asians particularly Chinese why they are taking precautions (to the point of borderline paranoia). No one trusts the Chinese government. People from China that are here don’t trust what the Chinese government is saying. Because there’s a precedence for the mistrust. Anyone that lived or grew up in China or stayed there for some time enough to understand how the system really works understands and knows this sort game…it’s tolerated because how else do you control a country with over 1 billion people. You can’t possibly give them all equal rights, and god forbid democracy. Majority of them wouldn’t be able to make a sound decision..At least that’s the party line.

Central authoritative government works great for public works when forcing an entire neighborhood to pack up and leave so that a high speed rail system can be put in a matter of weeks. Because if you live along the train tracks, you have no choice but to move. Sorry you lived there all your life, but Beijing needs a rail system put in, and all you whiners that are about to lose a home have no voice, and you can try to complain, but we’ll arrest you. Central authoritative government wont work if the local provinces aren’t singing the same tune and when professionals dealing with real people and real data can’t freely report what they are seeing…Well see this whenever there’s a outbreak like this.

[The-Shoveler]

Seems China was not the only one understating risk.

WHO corrects itself, saying global risk of coronavirus is ‘high’

[Coronita]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theonion.com/xi-jinping-vows-to-combat-coronavirus-by-making-it-ille-1841274319/amp

The Onion is classic.

“Xi Jinping Vows To Combat Coronavirus By Making It Illegal To Mention Within A Week”

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]

Central authoritative government works great for public works when forcing an entire neighborhood to pack up and leave so that a high speed rail system can be put in a matter of weeks. Because if you live along the train tracks, you have no choice but to move. Sorry you lived there all your life, but Beijing needs a rail system put in, and all you whiners that are about to lose a home have no voice, and you can try to complain, but we’ll arrest you. Central authoritative government wont work if the local provinces aren’t singing the same tune and when professionals dealing with real people and real data can’t freely report what they are seeing…Well see this whenever there’s a outbreak like this.[/quote]

Haha, you have not experienced eminent domain or building code enforcement in USA.

But that sounds pretty ideological and not pragmatic.
Asians I know are pragmatic.

It used to be “the Chinese government can’t build anything because of corruption ”. Now it’s “the Chinese government does it too well, but they will fail.”

The problem with us Americans is that we’re too ideological and not pragmatic enough. Read _Has The West Lost It_ by kishore Mabubhani of Singapore. There is a reason Singapore works so well and is so rich. They don’t care what’s capitalist or socialist. They do what works.

[The-Shoveler]

Fascism is a very efficient form of government.

It is not a nice one so it only lasts as long as the majority of people perceive they are profiting from it.

So are you saying we should become Fascist?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=The-Shoveler]Fascism is a very efficient form of government.

It is not a nice one so it only lasts as long as the majority of people perceive they are profiting from it.

So are you saying we should become Fascist?[/quote]

Fascism is far-right. Not socialism or communist at all.

I hate to say it, but the USA is becoming more of a plutocracy. I won’t expand more off topic.

Back to the corona virus. Nobody knows. At first China was accused of being too heavy handed, Now their are accused of not doing enough, soon enough. I think they are doing fine given the circumstances.

[The-Shoveler]

LOL they are no longer a socialist country.

They are not a “woke” country sorry to disappoint you LOL

Go look up fascism,

[The-Shoveler]

I know it is just my paranoia etc.. but I can’t help but feel there is something we are not being told about this.

China is basically completely shut down.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=The-Shoveler]

China is basically completely shut down.[/quote]

Yeah, first, haterz claimed China is too dictatorial. Next sentence, they blame China for letting 5 million people “escape” Wuhan.

The truth is that the Chinese are learning as they go and pulling the levers that might work. Seems reasonable to me under the circumstances.

[Coronita]

[quote=The-Shoveler]LOL they are no longer a socialist country.

They are not a “woke” country sorry to disappoint you LOL

Go look up fascism,[/quote]

From the all the posts here, imho Brian would be perfectly happy with a fascist US government provided the agenda of a fascist government was exactly what he would want the government to do.

If a progressive leader could make all the policy changes in the US to the vision that Brian wants, he would be supportive of it and throw out the entire concept of democracy or rule of the people. It’s pretty obvious by his statements and viewpoints, and his unwavering and disdain for compromise. He literally thinks it’s an all win at all cost and nothing in between. If a fascist progressive leader here could take away all the voting power of the all the rural white people in southern conservative states that he strongly disagrees with, Brian would have no problem doing it, because he does not understand or care about the principles of our Founding Fathers so long as his ideology wins (hence my reference to the win at all cost). He would essentially make an excuse and say, well those people are ignorant and should not be allowed to vote anyway. And would conveniently make an excuse that well, since conservatives in the past have tried to disenfranchise african americans, what’s wrong with a policy to do this to old rural white people. This sort of people who seek absolute power and absolute control often hides under the guise and falseness of doing things “for the greater good”…. Hitler and Mussolini and Stalin did the same thing. So did Chairman Mao. Many progressives would share and do the exact same thing. And this sort of thinking, regardless if you agree with it’s agenda or not, undermines our Founding Father’s democratic principles. It’s pretty obvious. Why else for this unusual admiration for the PRC’s heavy handed power.

This is why no single party should ever be given absolute power. Our country was founded always about compromise and the inclusive of all viewpoint,s with majority rule being the guiding principle. Unfortunately, that means that fringy people are often underrepresented, but if you think about it, that’s the fairest thing because the majority of the people arent the fringy people….Unfortunately, it appears that fringy people on both sides are both trying to represent the rest of us…and therefore, no one will really be happy and we’ll continuously thrash back and forth between two polar viewpoints every 4-8 years and not move forward.

Why it takes a second generation american born chinese to explain this is beyond me. It seems pretty obvious.

And this is why, Brian, frankly you’re living in the wrong country and wrong continent. You will never be happy here because the fascist government you dream of will never happen in the US. Sorry to disappoint you. You’re in for a decades of disappointment.

[Coronita]

I am pretty confident that if I was president of the US.

1. the country would be screwed
2. even though I find your viewpoints downright outrageous and mockable, I would have no desire to disenfranchise you or supress your viewpoint.

However, I am also pretty confident that if you were president

1. we would be equally screwed
2. you would do everything you could to supress my viewpoints and disenfranchise me…

I assumed this based on all of your prior posts on this board, of the persona you represent on this board if it is a direct reflection of how you are in real life. On the other hand, it could be very well that you are completely the opposite in real life, and then my assumption would only apply to your internet stage persona and not how you are in real life….as often who we are on the internet may not actually reflect who we are in real life.hence the term “keyboard warrior”.

But fortunately for the US, neither of us will end up the president. so the US is safe.

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