Off topic “coronavirus”

[sdduuuude]

[quote=zk]

So you’re saying all governments are destined to fail.

But if it takes several hundred years or more to fail (which in many cases it has), then you can’t really say that it was necessarily an inherent fault in the nature of the system. There are no human systems (on the scale of a government, anyway – even the smallest one) that won’t fail at some point, if you give them five hundred years. That’s not necessarily because said system was fatally flawed. Circumstances change. Other countries invade. Humans screw things up. Anything can happen.[/quote]

Any government that makes too many decisions for it’s people, other than restricting coercive behavior, yes. An interesting topic for another thread.

“Fall” and “Fail” are two different things.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=svelte]I’m not sure what to think. A bit of overreaction is better than underreaction, but have we went waaay over?

I just don’t know. Luckily I don’t have to decide because I’m not calling the shots. I’m jezz doing as I’m told, as usual.

I just wish it was a little warmer when all of this happened so I could spend more of this time in the back yard chillin by the BBQ.[/quote]

The “overreaction” is because we don’t have any data. The White House doesn’t even know how many people were tested.

[zk]

[quote=sdduuuude]
“Fall” and “Fail” are two different things.

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Sure, but plenty have taken centuries to do either. So my point remains.

[quote=sdduuuude]

An interesting topic for another thread.

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You’re right.

[zk]

[quote=sdduuuude]

The marginal gain from “social distancing” to “stay at home” seem minimal. [/quote]

Hard to tell. But I would agree. It doesn’t seem unlikely that the best balance between saving lives and not completely destroying the economy might be pretty restrictive social distancing but somewhere before “stay at home.”

[FlyerInHi]

So Ron DeSantis just said they don’t have enough swabs! He also said South Korea never did a lockdown because the Koreans have the testing and the data.
Lockdown is when we’re running blind. We don’t have the information that would allow us to target the response.

[Coronita]

It came! The order was cancelled, and when I looked again it was out of stock, but then it went shipped. Now it’s out of stock again.

Forgot to submit a prescription and thought the order was cancelled because of that. But Fedex dropped it off today.

Yup, I’m a total prepper.

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Now if my package of Avigan from Japan would hurry up and get here, that would be great.

My kid’s violin teacher called. Recital is cancelled, and private class will be done remotely via SnapChat. I was like really? He said he does this all the time since he has a lot of students overseas. Interesting times.

[FlyerInHi]

Congrats. How much was your ventilator?

[Coronita]

Slightly under $800 after tax.
Insurance for at risk relatives.

I figure the real infection day for San Diego started closer to end of December using the date of my ex coworkers return from China when several of them came down with very severe flu like symptoms, despite all having had the flu shot and all of them with the exact same symptoms all testing negative for the flu. All 7-8 of them all shared the same office whee it started with one coughing severely, then had trouble breathing, 104+105F fever, and then the remaining people having the same symptoms a few days after. All 50years old or younger. I just found out about matter of fact days ago, when I saw there was an positive case in LJ and I was warning him about his kids going to that school, and he sort of matter fact said “we probably already had it” and we were piecing together how far back the date was when his co-workers first started traveling back and forth to China. They returned shortly after Christmas. They in LJ, CarmelV, a few lives in RB. So this virus didn’t just happen in 2020, it was already circulating in 2019…And it was outside Wuhan already. I asked them if they were going to get tested, and they cant. It’s been more than 2months, they can’t test for the antibodies here in the US and not this late, and who knows where they have been, who they interacted with, and who else could have been infected already. The Chinese hospitals knew about it in December because they were already testing people with SARS like symptoms . Hence why some Chinese people are calling this the Chinese Flu.

So, many people here probably already had this flu. And this is just a small sample. There been a lot more people from China to other areas. Washington State doesnt surprise me. Neither is NYC, which is the epicenter..SF and LA probably will get bad too..LV probably had a lot of tourists passing it around too. probably Vancouver as well, I don’t have the infection rate there but suspect it will be bad there too . Colder climate areas will probably do way worse.

[outtamojo]

Suppression will not work because most hospitals, especially the community ones, are run by numbnuts. You would think they would tell a phlebotomist employee who attended a baby shower for sister who later tested positive to stay home and self quarantine but HR, employee health, a director,and a manager huddled together and was going to allow him to wear a mask and come to work
despite the protests of lower ranking supervisory leadership. These ftards were going to risk this guy circulating throughout the whole hospital and probably take out our entire department for a month or two. Luckily the CDC called him and told him to stay home before he left for work. True story!

[Hobie]

Here is a timeline beginning Nov 17:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/heres-a-timeline-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak-and-chinas-coverup?

[Coronita]

[quote=Hobie]Here is a timeline beginning Nov 17:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/heres-a-timeline-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak-and-chinas-coverup?%5B/quote%5D

That’s the thing. See people keep blaming our government for the reason why this thing is spreading so fast. Yes, there’s a lot of baffooning that happened for failing to take this thing seriously once China started to officially report an outbreak. But there’s a bigger problem. China officially reported this virus very very late. 2 months or more and by that time it had already spread outside its borders from all the commerce that happens between there and other places
The virus was probably already here in the US back in late December maybe even earlier.

After talking to the folks that were from my previous company there were a lot of people that came down with similar things my colleagues did thing before and after when they came back: flu like symptoms, sometimes worse, high fever 104-105, extreme soreness, difficult breathing, dry cough… despite testing negative for for flu, and have a flu shot. Doctors they saw here were puzzled, but after about 2 weeks their symptoms went away and they didn’t think anything more of it. These folks were all the people that went back and for between here and China, none were in Wuhan. So it suggests even in December the virus had already left Wuhan and was already in other areas like Beijing, and already infecting a lot of people. Good luck trying to trace whom these people had contact with 1-2months ago.

This is just a small group out of a smaller company. I’m sure it wasn’t alone. For example, tskke a large company like Qualcomm that had a remote office location there and have a lot more people going back and forth between China and here. I suspect there were some folks that came down with the same thing, like a few of us had a cough for 2 months that didn’t go away, and some folks who normally would shake a flu ended up with bronchitis this year.

Expanding even further, Washington state has a lot of people going back and forth to China, so does the Bay Area, same with LA. And notice those are the areas with a much larger concentration of outbreaks. Vancouver too. I looked it up , I think they are close to 400 cases.

Before naysayers say this is being alarmist it isnt. For the majority of the cases that come down with this, it will probably be similar to 2 weeks of severe flu like symptoms and it will pass. For a smaller percentage of the population , it will be high risk. And going to lockdown is necessary not so much because we can contain the virus. We are well past containment, and probably never had a chance to contain it anyway. We need this lockdown so we don’t have a huge population infected flooding the ICU infecting all the nurses and doctors. Even wearing an N95 mask is not going to really stop a virus from infecting someone, it just reduces the chances significantly. Afterall, in San Diego County there will be roughly 1 ICU bed for 30 people unless we get a lot more makeshift beds setup soon. And even then, I don’t know if there will be a lot of ventilators to go around. It’s not like they can be procured as quickly as as a face mask. And if you try to buy a real ventilator that normally several thousands, they aren’t available, and if you buy the cheaper concentrators like the one above, they are slowly not available too. That’s why some people are creating the Arduino hack to turn more readily available CPAP machines into higher flowing machines because in the short term that might be reality if you need one.

Interestingly though, here in San Diego, the majority of the people infected are less than 60 years old. Probably because people older than 60 don’t go out as much and travel/interact as frequently. But definitely, young people are getting affected by it.

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/status.html

It was a Chinese virus, China didn’t disclose of this sooner. The virus already left its borders. The rest of the world had a much later start. Then, the governments didn’t take things seriously after that, and some still aren’t taking it seriously. China doesn’t want to lose face, so redirects and blames US army for planting a virus and gets butt hurt calling this a Chinese Flu, despite everyone calling the pandemic flu of 1918 “Spanish Flu”.

China’s Fault; 70%
US governments lack of readiness: 30%

(subjectively scored of course)

[FlyerInHi]

We had the same information as Macau, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea.

Actually, we had better information thanks our #1 in the world, biggest, most badass intelligence agencies and military. We didn’t act. South Korea didn’t lockdown. They had the testing infrastructure.

The casinos in Macau, right next to China, are now open. Ours are closed.

[FlyerInHi]

So the South Koreans are able to widely test their population. But we couldn’t use their technology. We had to wait weeks to develop our own, very late in the game, even as we had all the information we needed.

‘It’s Just Everywhere Already’: How Delays in Testing Set Back the U.S. Coronavirus Response

Dr. Helen Y. Chu, an infectious disease expert in Seattle, knew that the United States did not have much time.

In late January, the first confirmed American case of the coronavirus had landed in her area. Critical questions needed answers: Had the man infected anyone else? Was the deadly virus already lurking in other communities and spreading?

As luck would have it, Dr. Chu had a way to monitor the region. For months, as part of a research project into the flu, she and a team of researchers had been collecting nasal swabs from residents experiencing symptoms throughout the Puget Sound region.

To repurpose the tests for monitoring the coronavirus, they would need the support of state and federal officials. But nearly everywhere Dr. Chu turned, officials repeatedly rejected the idea,

[Coronita]

South Korea , Hong Kong, Taiwan had an earlier start, has a smaller population and territory to deal with, and generally are civically more obedient when it comes health issues having experienced SARS. US has not experienced something like this since 1918 and not only was the Federal government in denial, so were many local government. Look at how the mayor of Las Vegas handled this. Even when NY, CA, WA states were showing large infections, somehow the Las Vegas mayor thought Las Vegas would somehow be immune to this despite Las Vegas being a top tourist destination for lots of Asians. There’s got to be more than enough exposures to all the travel back and forth similar to the travel between Washington/CA and China. But even then, Las Vegas mayor insisted on keeping things open longer than it probably should have….because the mayor knows the financial impact of shutting down is astronomical, and while casinos are mostly well capitalized, this would trigger an enormous wave of job losses that would not be recoverable in the near term, and impact the individual small businesses , people, and real estate that are completely hinged on this one industry. Unfortunately, it’s simply unrealistic to expect things to have simply gone away and avoided Vegas. And the late delay in Vegas is probably going to make it a lot worse now that in all likelihood the industry in Vegas will need to stay shutdown a lot longer .

If the federal government mandated an shutdown as early as January, people would have been complaining about why our federal government is encroaching on our rights and ruining the economy when we haven’t even been affected by this virus. The mayor of Vegas would have been on the top of list of complainers.

[FlyerInHi]

So we had all the information but we didn’t act because of the structure of our society.
Our intelligence agencies had all the information necessary. Our federal government surely didn’t find out from the papers.

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