Off topic “coronavirus”

[Anonymous]

[quote=zk][quote=sdduuuude][quote=zk]
If the government wasn’t failing to keep up with the situation, it might be reasonable to keep politics out of it. But government failure is a big part of the problem right now.
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It mystifies me how people can simultaneously say the government is failing to deal with something, then turn right back to the government to fix the problem.[/quote]

Really? That mystifies you? Amazing. It’s not complicated at all. I don’t understand how anybody can be mystified by something so simple.

So you think that anything that is failing should be completely abandoned? We should immediately dump any failing party and try to find someone/something else to fix the situation? No attempts at correcting their failings should be attempted?

Now I’m mystified.[/quote]

So then you’re ok with Trump for another term.

[zk]

[quote=Hobie]

My point again for some of you: Wapo, cnn, nyt, may not be the best source of good information.[/quote]

It might be an interesting point if you had any evidence for it (Wapo and NYT, anyway).

[zk]

[quote=BrianisaFraud]

So then you’re ok with Trump for another term.[/quote]

If you’re going to be a troll, at least be entertaining or funny. So far a whole lot of whiffing on both counts.

[Hobie]

[quote=ltsddd]

flu:45 million sick, 61K deaths

corona: 70-100 million sick, 700K – 1 million deaths
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This is what I mean. Panic inducing numbers.

Real Facts:

Covid-19
1629 cases, 41 deaths

Flu
36-55 million cases, 22-55,000 deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html#epi-curve

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

[sdduuuude]

Answerwed before I read. deleted.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=ltsddd]corona: 70-100 million sick, 700K – 1 million deaths[/quote]

Awesome – over 325 million people get to live !

[ltsddd]

[quote=Hobie][quote=ltsddd]

flu:45 million sick, 61K deaths

corona: 70-100 million sick, 700K – 1 million deaths
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This is what I mean. Panic inducing numbers.

Real Facts:

Covid-19
1629 cases, 41 deaths

Flu
36-55 million cases, 22-55,000 deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html#epi-curve

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm%5B/quote%5D

Then you ask yourself this:

* why the lock downs in China, Korea, Iran, Italy, etc

* why the travel bans?
* why trump declared a national emergency? (and please don’t tell me he was forced into action by the MSM).

* 1629 cases, 41 deaths – how many tested? Yeah, let’s not test the people, if they can’t verify they’re infected with virus therefore the virus is not spreading and killing.

[ltsddd]

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[Coronita]

This was written by Dr Novell from Texas

I know I’ve been uncharacteristically silent about the coronavirus, but I’ve had enough at this point. The number of people who call this “media hysteria” or a “political hoax” or want to point out the mortality rates of the flu, cancer, or obesity…do you want to come work my shifts? Do you want to expose yourself to patients in respiratory failure day after day? When we run out of ICU beds and vents, do you want the responsibility of telling your mom, dad, aunts, uncles, friends, and family that I can’t intubate them because we just don’t have the resources? Do you want to tell the kids of 30 and 40 year old patients that their parent is going to die and we can’t do anything to stop it? Do you want to look at the parents of a 20 something year old and tell them their previously healthy son or daughter might not survive? Because these are REAL possibilities. This is ACTUALLY what is happening around the world.

This American superiority complex of “it’s just not going to affect me the same way” is gross. There have been multiple projections that this could infect 40-70% of the population. While it’s hard to extrapolate accurate predictions, that should concern you. It shouldn’t make you hysterical and run to doomsday prep, but it should make you want to be a part of the solution in decreasing the spread. Because kids aren’t dying I think people feel protected. Kids less than 10 aren’t dying. People in their 20s and 30s are in respiratory failure and ARE dying. These are not elderly people with lots of medical problems that have had the chance to live full lives. These are young and previously healthy people. Yes, the elderly are more likely. But the young and healthy ARE NOT IMMUNE.

Why is this such a big deal when we’ve already been seeing people with the flu? RESOURCES. Over the past few months we have already spent many days at capacity, boarding patients including ICU patients in the ER. We don’t suddenly have a bigger ER, more floors to admit patients to, or more staff to take care of this influx. We have the same resources now with a second deadly virus. For estimated 80% getting sick this is like a cold. For the other 20% they’re either significantly sick, or eventually dead. Yes, cancer kills more. Yes, obesity related illness kills more. When taking care of my obese patients I don’t have to worry I’m going to “catch diabetes” or that suddenly my coronaries will be blocked. Their BMI can’t be transmitted to me through the air. Lung cancer isn’t contagious. I’m not worried about catching lung cancer when intubating these patients in respiratory failure. I’m vaccinated against the flu, and I can protect myself from flu patients with a simple surgical mask.

Patients coming into the ER want the best, EVERYTHING to be done, and for it to happen quickly. And more often than not, we deliver on that. We’re going to have a different reality if we don’t have rapid containment. Everything is going to be far from an option for most patients, and I’m not looking forward to the potential ethically crushing choices we might have to make.

Italy SHUT DOWN THEIR COUNTRY. Italy isn’t drastically impacting their economy, tourism, education, and way of life because they care about our presidential election. They are doing it because their citizens are dying. This isn’t a hoax. This isn’t just the cold. And I don’t care if more people by the numbers have already died of the flu. (Actually I very much care-GET VACCINATED). This is a big fucking deal. Open your eyes and pay attention. Your American immune system is not equipped with special corona fighting antibodies that just skipped over other countries. And more importantly, your healthcare system that already didn’t have enough doctors doesn’t suddenly have a surplus of doctors.

While you have the option (THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE) to stay at home and decrease the likelihood of you being a vector, when you do get sick, guess who is still working? Your nurses, doctors, pharmacists, hospital support staff, EMS, police…we don’t have the option to stay at home and protect ourselves and our families. The consensus among myself and other docs is and expectation of not if, but when, we get sick. People that have no lung problems are developing respiratory and multi system organ failure, and dying. We know that could be us. And we aren’t just being exposed at the airport or the grocery store or at a concert venue…we are being DIRECTLY exposed to the sickest patients. And without the resources to protect ourselves. The public has stock piled N95 masks to an extent our masks are LOCKED away and we have to have approval to use them. Because we WILL run out. The protective recommendations by the CDC recently became more relaxed…and let’s be totally transparent. This is not because the transmission has slowed or COVID is less virulent. It’s because we cannot meet a higher standard. We cannot provide our healthcare workers with better protection because we simply don’t have it. And I’m so fortunate to work in a resource rich hospital with what I consider exceptional leadership. I see people busting ass to try to keep us safe and informed, but under the context of a rapidly evolving situation with not enough supplies, people, and space to manage the consequences. I’ve also heard the theories that the doctors that died in China were given amphetamines and worked days at a time. That exhaustion weakened their immunity. As we go through cycles of quarantine, who do you think is going to be on back up? Who do you think will be covering those extra shifts and putting in more hours? While we won’t be pumped full of amphetamines, someone will have to be there.

So if you’re one of the people that keeps laughing at the “hysteria,” keeps comparing it to more deadly disease, thinks that somehow you’re special and it’s going to skip over you…you’re not special and your immune system isn’t unique. Take the current pandemic seriously. Stay home and don’t be a walking vector. Find a hobby, read some books, spring clean your house, make some new recipes, clear your DVR. You don’t need to panic and build a bunker, but don’t be an asshole. Stop buying protective supplies that puts those of us on the front line at high risk. Stop buying all the toilet paper. Covid doesn’t cause massive diarrhea. Our water supply is not contaminated. You don’t need to stock pile bottled water. Don’t go to the ER “because you just wanted to be checked out” when you’re not actually sick. You risk exposing yourself and frankly, you’re pulling us away from the patients that actually need us. And realize that when this gets worse, we are working as hard as we can to do the best we possibly can. Be patient and kind to your first responders.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=Coronita]https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/13/1927193/-UCSF-COVID-19-Panel-Notes

“We are past containment”.

“40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. ”

“How long does the virus last?
On surfaces, best guess is 4-20 hours depending on surface type (maybe a few days) but still no consensus on this
The virus is very susceptible to common anti-bacterial cleaning agents: bleach, hydrogen peroxide, alcohol-based.”

You guys can argue all you want about government. I have a feeling none of this will be relevant in a few months. Good luck everyone.[/quote]

This is an awesome link. Very helpful.

Glad I posted here. The Piggs are generally toughtful.

This is what I see:

Short term lockdown to keep the demand for care below the capacity. Schools will open April 15 and run like a cruise ship with disinfectants in every room.

All but the most disciplined of germophobes are going to get it but death rate will prove be much lower than 1% in the short term since only the worst cases are tested.

Death rate will come down as people develop immunization, the medical industry develops treatments and/or vaccines.

Fade away in Summer and come back in the fall.

It’s going to look just like the flu in a year or two.

Restaurant / Bar industry going to suffer.
Cruises, for sure. Air travel, too.
Road trips may be popular this Summer.

If this is recession-inducing, this definitely poses a greater risk to Trump than the impeachment ever did. People vote their pocketbooks, no matter who is responsible for the economic situation.

[zk]

[quote=Hobie][quote=ltsddd]

flu:45 million sick, 61K deaths

corona: 70-100 million sick, 700K – 1 million deaths
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This is what I mean. Panic inducing numbers.

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It was indicated quite clearly that those were “worst case scenario” numbers “if no actions were taken to slow transmission.”

Also, those numbers were based on CDC modeling.

If a tsunami is coming, and it’s projected to be between 15 and 30 feet, should we not warn the people who would be affected if it were 30 feet high?

[sdduuuude]

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[svelte]

Here is a nice summary of the world situation:

https://ncov2019.live/data

[ltsddd]

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[Coronita]

We knew this was coming. If you are having second thoughts about your vacation plans , Airbnb just relaxed their cancellation policy. 100% refund available. Vrbo will follow suit eventually

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/airbnb-coronavirus-global-policy-change/index.html

#staythefuckhome
https://staythefuckhome.com/

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