Off topic “coronavirus”

[ltsddd]

[quote=Hobie]Thanks for the doom and gloom, double “d”[/quote]

lol. inspired by flu, an and real, I was messing around with my username and now I can’t have it back.

Back to the topic. Why don’t you share what’s your narrative is if you disagreed with others’?

[svelte]

[quote=ltsddd][quote=Hobie]Thanks for the doom and gloom, double “d”[/quote]

lol. inspired by flu, an and real, I was messing around with my username and now I can’t have it back.

Back to the topic. Why don’t you share what’s your narrative is if you disagreed with others’?[/quote]

He already has. He thinks coronavirus is no worse than the common flu. See his previous posts in this thread.

[zk]

[quote=sdduuuude]
Glad to see Hobie is offering up the “closing schools seems like overkill” opinion. I tend to lean that way as well.
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The CDC would disagree.

[quote=sdduuuude]

Also glad to see that there is some reasonable discussion going on here. Hoping we can keep the politics out of it.
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If the government wasn’t failing to keep up with the situation, it might be reasonable to keep politics out of it. But government failure is a big part of the problem right now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/coronavirus-testing-challenges.html

This is what you get when you have a president who values loyalty over competence and fills his administration with toadies and yes-men:

The scramble for solutions is occurring in an overriding atmosphere of trepidation of saying something that Trump might perceive as disloyal and of fear that their fumbles could cost the president his reelection in November.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/infighting-missteps-and-a-son-in-law-hungry-for-action-inside-the-trump-administrations-troubled-coronavirus-response/2020/03/14/530c28b4-6559-11ea-b3fc-7841686c5c57_story.html

[quote=sdduuuude]

I am not sure how anyone can say that the government is late in dealing with this since 60 people have died in two weeks while 100 die every day in automobile accidents.
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Identifying cases of COVID-19 can prevent spread. Identifying them early can prevent spread much more effectively than identifying them late. There is no comparable situation with car accidents.

[quote=sdduuuude]
Not 1 person in San Diego has died and all the schools are closed.
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Exactly. To wait until people start dying would be to wait way too long.

[quote=sdduuuude]
I put those together and it sounds like just another flu to me.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-flu.html

[quote=sdduuuude]

Lastly, I wonder if the overall effect of just letting the thing run its course would, in the end, be less disruptive than trying to stop it and having it not really work and everyone gets it anyway.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/science/coronavirus-curve-mitigation-infection.html

[quote=sdduuuude]

I also wanted to say that it is really annoying when you all change names. It degrades the site alot, makes it impossible to follow and I just skip all the posts because I don’t know who the hell is saying what. And you are just bitching at each other mindlessly anyway so I don’t feel like I am missing much by skipping through it.

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Not “you all.” Just flu. Brian once, a long time ago. Flu constantly spamming with a bunch of childish nonsense. I agree that it degrades the site a lot.

[Hobie]

[quote=svelte][quote=ltsddd][quote=Hobie]Thanks for the doom and gloom, double “d”[/quote]

lol. inspired by flu, an and real, I was messing around with my username and now I can’t have it back.

Back to the topic. Why don’t you share what’s your narrative is if you disagreed with others’?[/quote]

He already has. He thinks coronavirus is no worse than the common flu. See his previous posts in this thread.[/quote]

Close. I am more concerned about the press inflaming everyone. Actual deaths should drive the amount of induced panic.

There is that word again: Narrative!!

[zk]

This:

“The right-wing media’s contempt for truth has never been more dangerous”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/10/right-wing-medias-contempt-truth-has-never-been-more-dangerous/

Combined with this:

Asked to name media companies in which they have trust, 65% of Republicans named Fox News.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/donald-trump-fox-news/index.html

isn’t helping the situation, either.

[Hobie]

“… the case-fatality ratio. This sounds simple: it’s the proportion of infected people who die. But working it out is much trickier than it looks. “The non-specialists do this all the time and they always get it wrong,” Edmunds says. “If you just divide the total numbers of deaths by the total numbers of cases, you’re going to get the wrong answer.”…”

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/modelers-struggle-to-predict-the-future-of-the-covid-19-pandemic-67261

My point again for some of you: Wapo, cnn, nyt, may not be the best source of good information.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=zk]
If the government wasn’t failing to keep up with the situation, it might be reasonable to keep politics out of it. But government failure is a big part of the problem right now.
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It mystifies me how people can simultaneously say the government is failing to deal with something, then turn right back to the government to fix the problem.

[Coronita]

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/13/1927193/-UCSF-COVID-19-Panel-Notes

“We are past containment”.

“40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. ”

“How long does the virus last?
On surfaces, best guess is 4-20 hours depending on surface type (maybe a few days) but still no consensus on this
The virus is very susceptible to common anti-bacterial cleaning agents: bleach, hydrogen peroxide, alcohol-based.”

You guys can argue all you want about government. I have a feeling none of this will be relevant in a few months. Good luck everyone.

[svelte]

[quote=Myriad][quote=PCinSD][quote=Myriad]
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-cut-cdcs-budget-democrats-claim-analysis/story?id=69233170
I may have gotten ahead of myself on the actual budget cuts. Most of them are proposed by the administration but overruled by Congress.
But in general, the administration has been doing everything in the Executive Branch’s power to attack agencies that are not pro-business/pro-Trump, etc. Actions include not fill positions, when filling positions, adding political appointees with no relevant experience, overruling experts, etc.[/quote]

Huh. Imagine that. Yet you threw it out there as fact. Why is that? Where did you get the info from that made you feel comfortable enough to believe it, and claim it here?

Just curious. Fox News?[/quote]

I take back my earlier statement. The Trump administration did cut funding. Not sure why I couldn’t find it over the weekend.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-cuts-programs-responsible-for-fighting-coronavirus-2020-2
https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/us-coronavirus-budget-cuts-trump-underprepared
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-to-scale-back-work-in-dozens-of-foreign-countries-amid-funding-worries-1516398717

I want to government to spend wisely too, but cutting discretionary funds for health isn’t going to do anything for the budget deficit. The biggest spending is in Medicare, SS, and Defense.[/quote]

More damning evidence. Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit.

https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a?fbclid=IwAR3ib3A4inXMjljOPyWS4F0oenQkkcqdqVymftVj1RQLSBoJStcQW8_2RAc

[sdduuuude]

[quote=ltsddd]
[quote=sdduuuude]
The measured death rate is 3% or so. CDC or WHO estimated the actual rate under 1%. Could be much, much lower, in reality.

I put those together and it sounds like just another flu to me.
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1% is widely cited as the death rate for the corona virus vs .1% for the flu. The contagiousness of the coronavirus is 2-3 vs 1.3 for the flu. Taking those together we’re looking at, using 2018’s # for flu cases:

flu:45 million sick, 61K deaths

corona: 70-100 million sick, 700K – 1 million deaths

Those are staggering numbers.[/quote]

My point was that the 1% death rate is very, very overblown because they are only testing people who are severely afflicted.

See this excerpt from an email I received from Sharp:

[quote=Sharp]To determine who should be tested, Sharp Rees-Stealy uses the guidelines and criteria set forth by both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the San Diego County Health and Human Services Agency.

The criteria are:
1. Hospitalized patients who have signs and symptoms compatible with COVID-19 in order to inform decisions related to infection control.

2. Other symptomatic individuals such as: older adults and individuals with chronic medical conditions and/or an immunocompromised state that may put them at higher risk for poor outcomes (e.g., diabetes, heart disease, receiving immunosuppressive medications, chronic lung disease, chronic kidney disease).

3. Any persons, including health care personnel, who within 14 days of symptom onset had close contact with a suspect or laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 patient, or who have a history of travel from affected geographic areas within 14 days of their symptom onset.[/quote]

[zk]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=zk]
If the government wasn’t failing to keep up with the situation, it might be reasonable to keep politics out of it. But government failure is a big part of the problem right now.
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It mystifies me how people can simultaneously say the government is failing to deal with something, then turn right back to the government to fix the problem.[/quote]

Really? That mystifies you? Amazing. It’s not complicated at all. I don’t understand how anybody can be mystified by something so simple.

So you think that anything that is failing should be completely abandoned? We should immediately dump any failing party and try to find someone/something else to fix the situation? No attempts at correcting their failings should be attempted?

Now I’m mystified.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=zk]
[quote=sdduuuude]

Lastly, I wonder if the overall effect of just letting the thing run its course would, in the end, be less disruptive than trying to stop it and having it not really work and everyone gets it anyway.
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I need a subscription to see the whole article but I did see the chart. That makes sense.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=zk]
So you think that anything that is failing should be completely abandoned? [/quote]

In the case of big government, yes.

[svelte]

[quote=sdduuuude]

My point was that the 1% death rate is very, very overblown because they are only testing people who are severely afflicted.

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That thought crossed my mind too.

It could be that if you have severe symptoms, you have a 1% chance of dying…not a 1%$ chance if you get coronavirus.

I’m still not sure what I think about this situation.

[zk]

[quote=Hobie]Actual deaths should drive the amount of induced panic.

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By that logic, if a tsunami is heading your way, and you have a two-hour warning, you should ignore that warning and wait until the tsunami has hit and people have died before you start worrying about the tsunami.

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