Off topic “coronavirus”

[phaster]

[quote=zk][quote=Hobie]Closing schools and cancelling school sports, performances, and other activities in light of no students currently infected seems a bit overkill. IMHO

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Experts would disagree:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/science/coronavirus-curve-mitigation-infection.html

If we don’t flatten the curve, this could be the result:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/13/coronavirus-numbers-we-really-should-be-worried-about/%5B/quote%5D

Stanford, Cornell, etc. are big brain collections (i.e. profs who over the years collected various types of knowledge),… so given corona seems to kill off those older w/ health complications, personally think it is prudent to protect profs with important scientific knowledge

actually while driving around heard on KPBS about the effects on corona on the local economy AND the topic of comic-con was brought up,… which got me thinking about a specific Star Trek episode that seems eerily relevant

http://www.startrek.com/database_article/miri-episode

anyway just dropped in to see piggs reaction to current events,… ALSO thought it an opportune time to remind others of the big picture and knowing that washing of hands is a very important step to prevent the spreading of disease

came to this realization yesterday when I went to CVS to pick up some 70% Isopropyl Alcohol (IPA) and the shelves were wiped out,… then noticed on the way out a pretty wasteful use of the stuff as some woman was basically pouring a bunch all over her hands

basically have some knowledge that others might find useful,… like for example there are several grades of IPA that have different uses (like cleaning electrical equipment or as a disinfectant), so created a PDF on google docs of info that people should know about what works best

http://www.TinyURL.com/PandemicTips

also have several family members who have experience w/ IDs (Infectious Diseases) as MDs,… so long ago as a kid was taught how surgeons scrub before an operation,… also was taught long ago along the fact that far too often people ignore the basic idea of healthy habits like a good sleep and eating a good diet actually makes people more resistant to disease,… AND turns out back in WWII the USN taught pilots a trick to get much needed rest

have a look at the PDF I placed on google docs, think people will find in interesting

[spdrun]

phaster: also, isopropyl alcohol is otherwise known as 2-propanol.

[svelte]

[quote=flu]
Kind of weird to be working from home. I need to order a new machine gonna get a 12 core Ryzen 3900x[/quote]

It’s not too bad once in a while. I do it sometimes. The dog loves it when I stay home, she’s glued to my side all day.

I wouldn’t want to do it all week every week…I’d get cabin fever and gain 20 lbs.

[ltsddd]

[quote=Hobie]zk: you are too smart to be drinking the koolaid.

Back in 2009 the swine flu now called H1N1 was the epidemic virus. It appears every year from then on.

Some reading:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

The difference is the press response and the resulting public frenzy.

Something to think about.[/quote]

hmmm…less than two weeks after the first human infection was detected on April 15, 2009, the
1. cdc began working on a vaccine on april 21
2. cdc activated emergency op center on april 22
3. cdc releasing antiviral drug to battle new virus april 26
4. fda approved new cdc test on april 28

Perhaps the difference in the press response has a lot to do with how the gov’t/CDC responded to the situations?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-pandemic-timeline.html

[outtamojo]

School is not cancelled where I am but sporting events are. Does not make sense to bunch kids together all day long inside but not allow smaller groups to practice outside.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]
Kind of weird to be working from home. I need to order a new machine gonna get a 12 core Ryzen 3900x[/quote]

It’s not too bad once in a while. I do it sometimes. The dog loves it when I stay home, she’s glued to my side all day.

I wouldn’t want to do it all week every week…I’d get cabin fever and gain 20 lbs.[/quote]

I’m getting distracted. Working on my cars…. Maybe now’s a time to do a V8 miata swap… lol.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]
Kind of weird to be working from home. I need to order a new machine gonna get a 12 core Ryzen 3900x[/quote]

It’s not too bad once in a while. I do it sometimes. The dog loves it when I stay home, she’s glued to my side all day.

I wouldn’t want to do it all week every week…I’d get cabin fever and gain 20 lbs.[/quote]

I am going out and buying a new larger monitor to make it a little easier to WFH, I think this may end up actually becoming a boom in consumer spending LOL.

People will probably end up buying stuff to keep their kids busy as well.

[Coronita]

[quote=The-Shoveler][quote=svelte][quote=flu]
Kind of weird to be working from home. I need to order a new machine gonna get a 12 core Ryzen 3900x[/quote]

It’s not too bad once in a while. I do it sometimes. The dog loves it when I stay home, she’s glued to my side all day.

I wouldn’t want to do it all week every week…I’d get cabin fever and gain 20 lbs.[/quote]

I am going out and buying a new larger monitor to make it a little easier to WFH, I think this may end up actually becoming a boom in consumer spending LOL.

People will probably end up buying stuff to keep their kids busy as well.[/quote]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/europe/pornhub-italy-coronavirus-lockdown-scli-intl/index.html

[Hobie]

itsdd: keep in mind people were dying from the flu. Not so much re coronavirus. Transmission rates vs. actual mortality are not same. This is my point re press jumping on the ‘pandemic’ phrase and getting everyone panicked running out to by toilet paper and bottled water.

Including all the emails from every company you have ever done business with stating they are using every precaution, bla… bla… Ever see this before??

You may find this interesting:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html#epi-curve

Then compare to current flu stats:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

41 Corona deaths vs. 22K-55k flu deaths

So, again is closing schools really necessary? One might argue for flu exposure, but not coronavirus.

And remember, there are no reported coronavirus infections among any students to date.

[ltsddd]

[quote=Hobie]itsdd: keep in mind people were dying from the flu. Not so much re coronavirus. Transmission rates vs. actual mortality are not same. This is my point re press jumping on the ‘pandemic’ phrase and getting everyone panicked running out to by toilet paper and bottled water.

You may find this interesting:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html#epi-curve%5B/quote%5D

I hear you. The media probably helped fanning the panic, but that only worked b/c the gov’t failed miserably on how it managed the situation. That chunk of lard, all he had to do to reassure the people was to just acknowledge the severity of the new virus (nothing new) and let them know that the smartest scientist/doctors are working on a solution and leave it at that. Telling people to not to panic without any substance to back it up is like watching a fire burning down your next door neighbor’s house through your windows and telling your kids not to panic and then just standing there.

[svelte]

[quote=Hobie]itsdd: keep in mind people were dying from the flu. Not so much re coronavirus. [/quote]

Back the truck up a minute.

2009 Swine Flu.
Earliest Reported US Infection: March 28, 2009
First Death in US: April 27, 2009
First Death of US citizen: May 5, 2009
US Deaths as of Sept 3, 2009: 593

2020 Coronavirus
Earliest Reported US Infection: Jan 21, 2020
First Death in US: Feb 29, 2020
US Deaths as of March 13, 2020: 48
US Deaths as of Sept 3, 2020: UNKNOWN

What was your point again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States

[ltsddd]

[quote=Hobie]41 Corona deaths vs. 22K-55k flu deaths
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This is a false narrative. Imagine what the numbers would be like if the coronavirus was allowed to spread and proliferate freely like the flu is – the chinese didn’t lockdown wuhan and nearby cities, travel bans, aggressive testing/monitoring, quarantines by other countries.

[Hobie]

I was hoping you were not going to Orange Man bad.

Well then, you said, ” ..Telling people to not to panic without any substance to back it up..”

Here is the offical CDC recommendations on mitigation:
“When a novel virus with pandemic potential emerges, nonpharmaceutical interventions, which will be called community mitigation strategies in this document, often are the most readily available interventions to help slow transmission of the virus in communities.”

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/community-mitigation-strategy.pdf

Basically it says: if you are sick, stay home. Wash hands a lot. Don’t be stupid. And it doesn’t say to run to doctor and get a test. Remember most recover from it and don’e die.

Press and Dems complaining lack of test kits, etc. are designed to make orange man look bad. c-mon. You could use the same argument on any new pandemic virus. It’s new and takes some time to sort it out.

Air travel was stopped rather quickly if I recall.

[Hobie]

[quote=ltsdd] Imagine what the numbers would be like if the coronavirus was allowed to spread and proliferate freely like the flu is[/quote]

We don’t just let the flu run unabated. We have flu vaccines each year. This is new virus.

Svelt: Do this justify a panic? Closing schools, frantic hording? That is the point– flu is more deadly today vs. coronavirus today.

[svelte]

[quote=Hobie][quote=ltsdd] Imagine what the numbers would be like if the coronavirus was allowed to spread and proliferate freely like the flu is[/quote]

We don’t just let the flu run unabated. We have flu vaccines each year. This is new virus.

Svelt: Do this justify a panic? Closing schools, frantic hording? That is the point– flu is more deadly today vs. coronavirus today.[/quote]

In other words, you used false statements (“not so much re coronavirus”) to buttress your point.

Whether this is an overreaction or not is yet to be seen.

Let’s see…I have high blood pressure. My chance of dying from coronavirus is 6%. What percent chance of death do you think justifies closing of schools, banning large gatherings? Just curious.

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