Time to fire 30% of public employees

[gandalf]

Ditto, kewp. I run a business now, started it from scratch, as entrepreneurial as you can get. Worked my ass off. Past life, I worked and directed a program on the public sector side. Worked my ass off there as well. Moral? Good and bad people everywhere you go.

Generally, I do think it’s harder to let employees go on the public side. I disapprove, and believe public-sector employers ought to have more latitude to fire/replace poor performers. OTH, there are more assholes in the private sector, especially corporate, which tends to self-select a ‘get ahead’ kind of person, often with ‘get ahead at the expense of others’ values.

Oh yeah, and Hooray! for right-wing morons… Keep ranting as that’s exactly what’s helping to elect Obama and Dems. Republicans are pretty much pond-scum at this point. More they spew, easier it is for rest of us to see the way forward.

Back to center with Obama / Biden in ’08. (Go to HELL GOP.)

[kewp]

Generally, I do think it’s harder to let employees go on the public side. I disapprove, and believe public-sector employers ought to have more latitude to fire/replace poor performers.

I agree with this totally. The government should fire the bottom 10% performers every year as well.

Of course, that would be the whole Bush admin…

[kewp]

Generally, I do think it’s harder to let employees go on the public side. I disapprove, and believe public-sector employers ought to have more latitude to fire/replace poor performers.

I agree with this totally. The government should fire the bottom 10% performers every year as well.

Of course, that would be the whole Bush admin…

[kewp]

Generally, I do think it’s harder to let employees go on the public side. I disapprove, and believe public-sector employers ought to have more latitude to fire/replace poor performers.

I agree with this totally. The government should fire the bottom 10% performers every year as well.

Of course, that would be the whole Bush admin…

[kewp]

Generally, I do think it’s harder to let employees go on the public side. I disapprove, and believe public-sector employers ought to have more latitude to fire/replace poor performers.

I agree with this totally. The government should fire the bottom 10% performers every year as well.

Of course, that would be the whole Bush admin…

[kewp]

Generally, I do think it’s harder to let employees go on the public side. I disapprove, and believe public-sector employers ought to have more latitude to fire/replace poor performers.

I agree with this totally. The government should fire the bottom 10% performers every year as well.

Of course, that would be the whole Bush admin…

[Ricechex]

I am a civil servant, federal employee with the Navy. Almost 13 years. I have seen some horrid government employees, and some very good ones.

What has been happenning over time, is the government is “outsourcing” the government employees. They become federal contractors. Now, this is a real racket folks. The company that “wins” the bid (usually a prior high ranking military officer) gets to line his pockets with gold—yes, your taxpayer dollars.

The quality of workers that he hires are suspect, and OVERALL quality is bad. These are workers that will accept very low wage, poor benefits, and/or have been unsuccessful in the field. I can guarantee that most of them are losers, and turnover is high. Heh, we had one lady under a different contract some years ago, get fired, and a few years later, get hired by different contractor in a management position. She was really nutty and a year later finally got fired again. Without seniority, comes lack of knowledge and skill, and this is gained with government employees who do not change jobs as frequently.

Now, that is if you can fill the positions. We have some contract positions that are 10 months vacant. The contractor does some special manipulation here….requires extensive degree, license, etc, but pays very low. So, the positions stay open, and guess what? Mr. Contractor can spend 10 months NOT paying an employee and put more money in his pocket!

Please don’t be fooled that getting rid of government employees means that your taxdollars will go somewhere else. All it means is that those workers are NOT on the government role, but they are being contracted, so YOU are paying.

[Ricechex]

I am a civil servant, federal employee with the Navy. Almost 13 years. I have seen some horrid government employees, and some very good ones.

What has been happenning over time, is the government is “outsourcing” the government employees. They become federal contractors. Now, this is a real racket folks. The company that “wins” the bid (usually a prior high ranking military officer) gets to line his pockets with gold—yes, your taxpayer dollars.

The quality of workers that he hires are suspect, and OVERALL quality is bad. These are workers that will accept very low wage, poor benefits, and/or have been unsuccessful in the field. I can guarantee that most of them are losers, and turnover is high. Heh, we had one lady under a different contract some years ago, get fired, and a few years later, get hired by different contractor in a management position. She was really nutty and a year later finally got fired again. Without seniority, comes lack of knowledge and skill, and this is gained with government employees who do not change jobs as frequently.

Now, that is if you can fill the positions. We have some contract positions that are 10 months vacant. The contractor does some special manipulation here….requires extensive degree, license, etc, but pays very low. So, the positions stay open, and guess what? Mr. Contractor can spend 10 months NOT paying an employee and put more money in his pocket!

Please don’t be fooled that getting rid of government employees means that your taxdollars will go somewhere else. All it means is that those workers are NOT on the government role, but they are being contracted, so YOU are paying.

[Ricechex]

I am a civil servant, federal employee with the Navy. Almost 13 years. I have seen some horrid government employees, and some very good ones.

What has been happenning over time, is the government is “outsourcing” the government employees. They become federal contractors. Now, this is a real racket folks. The company that “wins” the bid (usually a prior high ranking military officer) gets to line his pockets with gold—yes, your taxpayer dollars.

The quality of workers that he hires are suspect, and OVERALL quality is bad. These are workers that will accept very low wage, poor benefits, and/or have been unsuccessful in the field. I can guarantee that most of them are losers, and turnover is high. Heh, we had one lady under a different contract some years ago, get fired, and a few years later, get hired by different contractor in a management position. She was really nutty and a year later finally got fired again. Without seniority, comes lack of knowledge and skill, and this is gained with government employees who do not change jobs as frequently.

Now, that is if you can fill the positions. We have some contract positions that are 10 months vacant. The contractor does some special manipulation here….requires extensive degree, license, etc, but pays very low. So, the positions stay open, and guess what? Mr. Contractor can spend 10 months NOT paying an employee and put more money in his pocket!

Please don’t be fooled that getting rid of government employees means that your taxdollars will go somewhere else. All it means is that those workers are NOT on the government role, but they are being contracted, so YOU are paying.

[Ricechex]

I am a civil servant, federal employee with the Navy. Almost 13 years. I have seen some horrid government employees, and some very good ones.

What has been happenning over time, is the government is “outsourcing” the government employees. They become federal contractors. Now, this is a real racket folks. The company that “wins” the bid (usually a prior high ranking military officer) gets to line his pockets with gold—yes, your taxpayer dollars.

The quality of workers that he hires are suspect, and OVERALL quality is bad. These are workers that will accept very low wage, poor benefits, and/or have been unsuccessful in the field. I can guarantee that most of them are losers, and turnover is high. Heh, we had one lady under a different contract some years ago, get fired, and a few years later, get hired by different contractor in a management position. She was really nutty and a year later finally got fired again. Without seniority, comes lack of knowledge and skill, and this is gained with government employees who do not change jobs as frequently.

Now, that is if you can fill the positions. We have some contract positions that are 10 months vacant. The contractor does some special manipulation here….requires extensive degree, license, etc, but pays very low. So, the positions stay open, and guess what? Mr. Contractor can spend 10 months NOT paying an employee and put more money in his pocket!

Please don’t be fooled that getting rid of government employees means that your taxdollars will go somewhere else. All it means is that those workers are NOT on the government role, but they are being contracted, so YOU are paying.

[Ricechex]

I am a civil servant, federal employee with the Navy. Almost 13 years. I have seen some horrid government employees, and some very good ones.

What has been happenning over time, is the government is “outsourcing” the government employees. They become federal contractors. Now, this is a real racket folks. The company that “wins” the bid (usually a prior high ranking military officer) gets to line his pockets with gold—yes, your taxpayer dollars.

The quality of workers that he hires are suspect, and OVERALL quality is bad. These are workers that will accept very low wage, poor benefits, and/or have been unsuccessful in the field. I can guarantee that most of them are losers, and turnover is high. Heh, we had one lady under a different contract some years ago, get fired, and a few years later, get hired by different contractor in a management position. She was really nutty and a year later finally got fired again. Without seniority, comes lack of knowledge and skill, and this is gained with government employees who do not change jobs as frequently.

Now, that is if you can fill the positions. We have some contract positions that are 10 months vacant. The contractor does some special manipulation here….requires extensive degree, license, etc, but pays very low. So, the positions stay open, and guess what? Mr. Contractor can spend 10 months NOT paying an employee and put more money in his pocket!

Please don’t be fooled that getting rid of government employees means that your taxdollars will go somewhere else. All it means is that those workers are NOT on the government role, but they are being contracted, so YOU are paying.

[Coronita]

Rule #1: You can’t expect everyone to have the same level of commitment.

Corollary to Rule #1: Everyone can’t expect the same compensation for different levels of work.

Rule #2: If you are really more diligent and efficient than your peers and aren’t compensated for it, find another position for which you are.

Corollary to Rule #2: Don’t ask for a raise you don’t deserve, otherwise you’ll get it so you stop your complaining, but you’ll be the first to be on the chopping block.

Rule #3: In a recession, good workers find they are asked to do more work with equal pay

Corollary to Rule #3: Poor workers will be unemployed.

Corollary#2 to Rule #3: In a recession, surviving(employment) is more important than getting ahead (raise) (didn’t someone post this at the business level from a Sequoia Capital slide deck?)

Be prepared to :

(1) work more to replace your coworkers that got canned

(2) ensure you are working on something with the largest impact, not something that is replaceable

(3) make sure your work is well known across the management ladders (plural, because you don’t know if one ladder or the other will survive).

(4) don’t f*** up what you promised to deliver.

(5) don’t let someone steal credit for the work you created (because it could get vicious)

Rule #4: respect your youthful colleagues (fresh grads). These folks, most likely will be your future bosses.

[Coronita]

Rule #1: You can’t expect everyone to have the same level of commitment.

Corollary to Rule #1: Everyone can’t expect the same compensation for different levels of work.

Rule #2: If you are really more diligent and efficient than your peers and aren’t compensated for it, find another position for which you are.

Corollary to Rule #2: Don’t ask for a raise you don’t deserve, otherwise you’ll get it so you stop your complaining, but you’ll be the first to be on the chopping block.

Rule #3: In a recession, good workers find they are asked to do more work with equal pay

Corollary to Rule #3: Poor workers will be unemployed.

Corollary#2 to Rule #3: In a recession, surviving(employment) is more important than getting ahead (raise) (didn’t someone post this at the business level from a Sequoia Capital slide deck?)

Be prepared to :

(1) work more to replace your coworkers that got canned

(2) ensure you are working on something with the largest impact, not something that is replaceable

(3) make sure your work is well known across the management ladders (plural, because you don’t know if one ladder or the other will survive).

(4) don’t f*** up what you promised to deliver.

(5) don’t let someone steal credit for the work you created (because it could get vicious)

Rule #4: respect your youthful colleagues (fresh grads). These folks, most likely will be your future bosses.

[Coronita]

Rule #1: You can’t expect everyone to have the same level of commitment.

Corollary to Rule #1: Everyone can’t expect the same compensation for different levels of work.

Rule #2: If you are really more diligent and efficient than your peers and aren’t compensated for it, find another position for which you are.

Corollary to Rule #2: Don’t ask for a raise you don’t deserve, otherwise you’ll get it so you stop your complaining, but you’ll be the first to be on the chopping block.

Rule #3: In a recession, good workers find they are asked to do more work with equal pay

Corollary to Rule #3: Poor workers will be unemployed.

Corollary#2 to Rule #3: In a recession, surviving(employment) is more important than getting ahead (raise) (didn’t someone post this at the business level from a Sequoia Capital slide deck?)

Be prepared to :

(1) work more to replace your coworkers that got canned

(2) ensure you are working on something with the largest impact, not something that is replaceable

(3) make sure your work is well known across the management ladders (plural, because you don’t know if one ladder or the other will survive).

(4) don’t f*** up what you promised to deliver.

(5) don’t let someone steal credit for the work you created (because it could get vicious)

Rule #4: respect your youthful colleagues (fresh grads). These folks, most likely will be your future bosses.

[Coronita]

Rule #1: You can’t expect everyone to have the same level of commitment.

Corollary to Rule #1: Everyone can’t expect the same compensation for different levels of work.

Rule #2: If you are really more diligent and efficient than your peers and aren’t compensated for it, find another position for which you are.

Corollary to Rule #2: Don’t ask for a raise you don’t deserve, otherwise you’ll get it so you stop your complaining, but you’ll be the first to be on the chopping block.

Rule #3: In a recession, good workers find they are asked to do more work with equal pay

Corollary to Rule #3: Poor workers will be unemployed.

Corollary#2 to Rule #3: In a recession, surviving(employment) is more important than getting ahead (raise) (didn’t someone post this at the business level from a Sequoia Capital slide deck?)

Be prepared to :

(1) work more to replace your coworkers that got canned

(2) ensure you are working on something with the largest impact, not something that is replaceable

(3) make sure your work is well known across the management ladders (plural, because you don’t know if one ladder or the other will survive).

(4) don’t f*** up what you promised to deliver.

(5) don’t let someone steal credit for the work you created (because it could get vicious)

Rule #4: respect your youthful colleagues (fresh grads). These folks, most likely will be your future bosses.

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