Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai

[paddyoh]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=DWCAP]FLU,

The Dude Abides[/quote]

The Dude truly….abides.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

I grew up in the Silicon Valley during the 1970s and saw firsthand the game changing sort of innovation that GM once had (and, don’t forget, GM actually invented one of the first mechanical hearts). Silicon Valley has been able to consistently re-invent itself from defense work (1960s) to PCs/Microprocessors (1970s) to cutting edge graphics engines and network systems (1980s) to the internet (1990s) to Green technology (present day).

FLU is 100% right: Innovate or perish. It doesn’t matter what industry, you have to do it bigger, better, cheaper and faster than the other guy.

Crying about what used to be isn’t going to solve the problem, nor is demanding a return to those impossible “30 and Out” labor programs that the unions suicidally negotiated. Read up on Schumpeter’s “Creative Destruction” and learn, Grasshopper. You’re either pushing forward or getting left behind.

As we used to say in the Army: FIDO. Fuck It, Drive On!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

I grew up in the Silicon Valley during the 1970s and saw firsthand the game changing sort of innovation that GM once had (and, don’t forget, GM actually invented one of the first mechanical hearts). Silicon Valley has been able to consistently re-invent itself from defense work (1960s) to PCs/Microprocessors (1970s) to cutting edge graphics engines and network systems (1980s) to the internet (1990s) to Green technology (present day).

FLU is 100% right: Innovate or perish. It doesn’t matter what industry, you have to do it bigger, better, cheaper and faster than the other guy.

Crying about what used to be isn’t going to solve the problem, nor is demanding a return to those impossible “30 and Out” labor programs that the unions suicidally negotiated. Read up on Schumpeter’s “Creative Destruction” and learn, Grasshopper. You’re either pushing forward or getting left behind.

As we used to say in the Army: FIDO. Fuck It, Drive On!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

I grew up in the Silicon Valley during the 1970s and saw firsthand the game changing sort of innovation that GM once had (and, don’t forget, GM actually invented one of the first mechanical hearts). Silicon Valley has been able to consistently re-invent itself from defense work (1960s) to PCs/Microprocessors (1970s) to cutting edge graphics engines and network systems (1980s) to the internet (1990s) to Green technology (present day).

FLU is 100% right: Innovate or perish. It doesn’t matter what industry, you have to do it bigger, better, cheaper and faster than the other guy.

Crying about what used to be isn’t going to solve the problem, nor is demanding a return to those impossible “30 and Out” labor programs that the unions suicidally negotiated. Read up on Schumpeter’s “Creative Destruction” and learn, Grasshopper. You’re either pushing forward or getting left behind.

As we used to say in the Army: FIDO. Fuck It, Drive On!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

I grew up in the Silicon Valley during the 1970s and saw firsthand the game changing sort of innovation that GM once had (and, don’t forget, GM actually invented one of the first mechanical hearts). Silicon Valley has been able to consistently re-invent itself from defense work (1960s) to PCs/Microprocessors (1970s) to cutting edge graphics engines and network systems (1980s) to the internet (1990s) to Green technology (present day).

FLU is 100% right: Innovate or perish. It doesn’t matter what industry, you have to do it bigger, better, cheaper and faster than the other guy.

Crying about what used to be isn’t going to solve the problem, nor is demanding a return to those impossible “30 and Out” labor programs that the unions suicidally negotiated. Read up on Schumpeter’s “Creative Destruction” and learn, Grasshopper. You’re either pushing forward or getting left behind.

As we used to say in the Army: FIDO. Fuck It, Drive On!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

I grew up in the Silicon Valley during the 1970s and saw firsthand the game changing sort of innovation that GM once had (and, don’t forget, GM actually invented one of the first mechanical hearts). Silicon Valley has been able to consistently re-invent itself from defense work (1960s) to PCs/Microprocessors (1970s) to cutting edge graphics engines and network systems (1980s) to the internet (1990s) to Green technology (present day).

FLU is 100% right: Innovate or perish. It doesn’t matter what industry, you have to do it bigger, better, cheaper and faster than the other guy.

Crying about what used to be isn’t going to solve the problem, nor is demanding a return to those impossible “30 and Out” labor programs that the unions suicidally negotiated. Read up on Schumpeter’s “Creative Destruction” and learn, Grasshopper. You’re either pushing forward or getting left behind.

As we used to say in the Army: FIDO. Fuck It, Drive On!

[paddyoh]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

[/quote]

It is a non-answer as it doesn’t address what Americans can do, personally, to help the American auto industry during this current crisis.

And the “new” GM has already pledged innovation so it is a moot point until we see if they can pull it off.

http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/news/2009/innovation_041309.jsp

So why don’t you do something positive instead of complaining about the past.

Taken From the Associated Press 01/31/09:

“In an interview with The New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn’t have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest-hits CD.”

“Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker’s rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices. Springsteen’s team didn’t vet the issue as closely as it should have, and that he “dropped the ball on it,” he told the Times………”.

Springsteen went on to say: “It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be.”

Respectfully ask Jeff Bridges to take a cue from Bruce Springsteen and junk the Hyundai (HIE-YUN-DIE) ads.

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355

[paddyoh]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

[/quote]

It is a non-answer as it doesn’t address what Americans can do, personally, to help the American auto industry during this current crisis.

And the “new” GM has already pledged innovation so it is a moot point until we see if they can pull it off.

http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/news/2009/innovation_041309.jsp

So why don’t you do something positive instead of complaining about the past.

Taken From the Associated Press 01/31/09:

“In an interview with The New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn’t have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest-hits CD.”

“Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker’s rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices. Springsteen’s team didn’t vet the issue as closely as it should have, and that he “dropped the ball on it,” he told the Times………”.

Springsteen went on to say: “It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be.”

Respectfully ask Jeff Bridges to take a cue from Bruce Springsteen and junk the Hyundai (HIE-YUN-DIE) ads.

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355

[paddyoh]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

[/quote]

It is a non-answer as it doesn’t address what Americans can do, personally, to help the American auto industry during this current crisis.

And the “new” GM has already pledged innovation so it is a moot point until we see if they can pull it off.

http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/news/2009/innovation_041309.jsp

So why don’t you do something positive instead of complaining about the past.

Taken From the Associated Press 01/31/09:

“In an interview with The New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn’t have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest-hits CD.”

“Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker’s rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices. Springsteen’s team didn’t vet the issue as closely as it should have, and that he “dropped the ball on it,” he told the Times………”.

Springsteen went on to say: “It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be.”

Respectfully ask Jeff Bridges to take a cue from Bruce Springsteen and junk the Hyundai (HIE-YUN-DIE) ads.

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355

[paddyoh]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

[/quote]

It is a non-answer as it doesn’t address what Americans can do, personally, to help the American auto industry during this current crisis.

And the “new” GM has already pledged innovation so it is a moot point until we see if they can pull it off.

http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/news/2009/innovation_041309.jsp

So why don’t you do something positive instead of complaining about the past.

Taken From the Associated Press 01/31/09:

“In an interview with The New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn’t have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest-hits CD.”

“Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker’s rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices. Springsteen’s team didn’t vet the issue as closely as it should have, and that he “dropped the ball on it,” he told the Times………”.

Springsteen went on to say: “It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be.”

Respectfully ask Jeff Bridges to take a cue from Bruce Springsteen and junk the Hyundai (HIE-YUN-DIE) ads.

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355

[paddyoh]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

[/quote]

It is a non-answer as it doesn’t address what Americans can do, personally, to help the American auto industry during this current crisis.

And the “new” GM has already pledged innovation so it is a moot point until we see if they can pull it off.

http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/news/2009/innovation_041309.jsp

So why don’t you do something positive instead of complaining about the past.

Taken From the Associated Press 01/31/09:

“In an interview with The New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn’t have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest-hits CD.”

“Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker’s rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices. Springsteen’s team didn’t vet the issue as closely as it should have, and that he “dropped the ball on it,” he told the Times………”.

Springsteen went on to say: “It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be.”

Respectfully ask Jeff Bridges to take a cue from Bruce Springsteen and junk the Hyundai (HIE-YUN-DIE) ads.

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355

[Coronita]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

[/quote]

It is a non-answer as it doesn’t address what Americans can do, personally, to help the American auto industry during this current crisis.

And the “new” GM has already pledged innovation so it is a moot point until we see if they can pull it off.

http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/news/2009/innovation_041309.jsp

So why don’t you do something positive instead of complaining about the past.

Taken From the Associated Press 01/31/09:

“In an interview with The New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn’t have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest-hits CD.”

“Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker’s rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices. Springsteen’s team didn’t vet the issue as closely as it should have, and that he “dropped the ball on it,” he told the Times………”.

Springsteen went on to say: “It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be.”

Respectfully ask Jeff Bridges to take a cue from Bruce Springsteen and junk the Hyundai (HIE-YUN-DIE) ads.

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355%5B/quote%5D

One thing we have learned is that GM (and big companies for that matter) are great at marketing and “pledging”, but execution is an entirely different thing. We’ll definitely wait and see and decide if it’s same old same old. Ironic though that GM ALMOST was the first car company operating in the U.S. among domestic and foreign labels that was going to be the first company IMPORTING CARS FROM CHINA.

Why don’t you do something positive and put your money where your mouth is? Let’s see pictures of a 2009/2010 GM/Ford/Chrysler car that you just bought/financed/leased or whatever that people do to acquire a car or two or three of them in the past 2-4 months.

I’d like to see you put down a nice 40 grand on a Camaro SS and see pics of it (after the dealer markups)…(Just make sure you don’t get a stick yet, otherwise you might end up with one with a broken driveshaft until they sort out that minor production glitch with their 3rd party vendor….)

[Coronita]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

[/quote]

It is a non-answer as it doesn’t address what Americans can do, personally, to help the American auto industry during this current crisis.

And the “new” GM has already pledged innovation so it is a moot point until we see if they can pull it off.

http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/news/2009/innovation_041309.jsp

So why don’t you do something positive instead of complaining about the past.

Taken From the Associated Press 01/31/09:

“In an interview with The New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn’t have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest-hits CD.”

“Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker’s rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices. Springsteen’s team didn’t vet the issue as closely as it should have, and that he “dropped the ball on it,” he told the Times………”.

Springsteen went on to say: “It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be.”

Respectfully ask Jeff Bridges to take a cue from Bruce Springsteen and junk the Hyundai (HIE-YUN-DIE) ads.

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355%5B/quote%5D

One thing we have learned is that GM (and big companies for that matter) are great at marketing and “pledging”, but execution is an entirely different thing. We’ll definitely wait and see and decide if it’s same old same old. Ironic though that GM ALMOST was the first car company operating in the U.S. among domestic and foreign labels that was going to be the first company IMPORTING CARS FROM CHINA.

Why don’t you do something positive and put your money where your mouth is? Let’s see pictures of a 2009/2010 GM/Ford/Chrysler car that you just bought/financed/leased or whatever that people do to acquire a car or two or three of them in the past 2-4 months.

I’d like to see you put down a nice 40 grand on a Camaro SS and see pics of it (after the dealer markups)…(Just make sure you don’t get a stick yet, otherwise you might end up with one with a broken driveshaft until they sort out that minor production glitch with their 3rd party vendor….)

[Coronita]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

[/quote]

It is a non-answer as it doesn’t address what Americans can do, personally, to help the American auto industry during this current crisis.

And the “new” GM has already pledged innovation so it is a moot point until we see if they can pull it off.

http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/news/2009/innovation_041309.jsp

So why don’t you do something positive instead of complaining about the past.

Taken From the Associated Press 01/31/09:

“In an interview with The New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn’t have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest-hits CD.”

“Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker’s rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices. Springsteen’s team didn’t vet the issue as closely as it should have, and that he “dropped the ball on it,” he told the Times………”.

Springsteen went on to say: “It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be.”

Respectfully ask Jeff Bridges to take a cue from Bruce Springsteen and junk the Hyundai (HIE-YUN-DIE) ads.

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355%5B/quote%5D

One thing we have learned is that GM (and big companies for that matter) are great at marketing and “pledging”, but execution is an entirely different thing. We’ll definitely wait and see and decide if it’s same old same old. Ironic though that GM ALMOST was the first car company operating in the U.S. among domestic and foreign labels that was going to be the first company IMPORTING CARS FROM CHINA.

Why don’t you do something positive and put your money where your mouth is? Let’s see pictures of a 2009/2010 GM/Ford/Chrysler car that you just bought/financed/leased or whatever that people do to acquire a car or two or three of them in the past 2-4 months.

I’d like to see you put down a nice 40 grand on a Camaro SS and see pics of it (after the dealer markups)…(Just make sure you don’t get a stick yet, otherwise you might end up with one with a broken driveshaft until they sort out that minor production glitch with their 3rd party vendor….)

[Coronita]

[quote=paddyoh][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu][quote=paddyoh][quote=flu]

Err. Sure..Tell GM chairman to talk to just about every other tech company that is surviving/thriving with both domestic and foreign “labor”. How about bringing something to the table that other people haven’t done, like innovation.[/quote]

Errr….

So….another non-answer.[/quote]

Paddy: How is that a non-answer? Because it’s not your answer?

[/quote]

It is a non-answer as it doesn’t address what Americans can do, personally, to help the American auto industry during this current crisis.

And the “new” GM has already pledged innovation so it is a moot point until we see if they can pull it off.

http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/news/2009/innovation_041309.jsp

So why don’t you do something positive instead of complaining about the past.

Taken From the Associated Press 01/31/09:

“In an interview with The New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn’t have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest-hits CD.”

“Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker’s rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices. Springsteen’s team didn’t vet the issue as closely as it should have, and that he “dropped the ball on it,” he told the Times………”.

Springsteen went on to say: “It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be.”

Respectfully ask Jeff Bridges to take a cue from Bruce Springsteen and junk the Hyundai (HIE-YUN-DIE) ads.

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355%5B/quote%5D

One thing we have learned is that GM (and big companies for that matter) are great at marketing and “pledging”, but execution is an entirely different thing. We’ll definitely wait and see and decide if it’s same old same old. Ironic though that GM ALMOST was the first car company operating in the U.S. among domestic and foreign labels that was going to be the first company IMPORTING CARS FROM CHINA.

Why don’t you do something positive and put your money where your mouth is? Let’s see pictures of a 2009/2010 GM/Ford/Chrysler car that you just bought/financed/leased or whatever that people do to acquire a car or two or three of them in the past 2-4 months.

I’d like to see you put down a nice 40 grand on a Camaro SS and see pics of it (after the dealer markups)…(Just make sure you don’t get a stick yet, otherwise you might end up with one with a broken driveshaft until they sort out that minor production glitch with their 3rd party vendor….)

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