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August 13, 2007 at 11:16 AM #74376August 13, 2007 at 2:33 PM #74546
DaCounselor
Participant1) They will not owe any tax on the shortfall if the lender forecloses and sells the property for less than what is owed.
2) The best play would be to get themselves into a cheap rental and knock out the CC debt as opposed to going BK. Ironically, they could probably knock out a nice chunk of that debt by stopping all housing payments and sending that $$ to Visa…
3) This type of scenario should increase as more loans are re-cast and property values continue to fall. At some point in time, if values fall enough, I would expect that even folks who can afford the re-cast may walk away if the disparity between ownership and renting is large enough to convince them to crash their credit.
August 13, 2007 at 2:33 PM #74663DaCounselor
Participant1) They will not owe any tax on the shortfall if the lender forecloses and sells the property for less than what is owed.
2) The best play would be to get themselves into a cheap rental and knock out the CC debt as opposed to going BK. Ironically, they could probably knock out a nice chunk of that debt by stopping all housing payments and sending that $$ to Visa…
3) This type of scenario should increase as more loans are re-cast and property values continue to fall. At some point in time, if values fall enough, I would expect that even folks who can afford the re-cast may walk away if the disparity between ownership and renting is large enough to convince them to crash their credit.
August 13, 2007 at 2:33 PM #74669DaCounselor
Participant1) They will not owe any tax on the shortfall if the lender forecloses and sells the property for less than what is owed.
2) The best play would be to get themselves into a cheap rental and knock out the CC debt as opposed to going BK. Ironically, they could probably knock out a nice chunk of that debt by stopping all housing payments and sending that $$ to Visa…
3) This type of scenario should increase as more loans are re-cast and property values continue to fall. At some point in time, if values fall enough, I would expect that even folks who can afford the re-cast may walk away if the disparity between ownership and renting is large enough to convince them to crash their credit.
August 13, 2007 at 3:50 PM #74603novice1027
ParticipantSpeaking of nice rides, (not the women!) I had a garage sale on Saturday and was stunned at how many non-english speaking folks fallling out of their Escalades, Durango’s, and Exprdition’s.
I can’t figure out how they pay for them, unless the entire group that fell out of the vehichle pooled their $$ to come up with the payment.August 13, 2007 at 3:50 PM #74728novice1027
ParticipantSpeaking of nice rides, (not the women!) I had a garage sale on Saturday and was stunned at how many non-english speaking folks fallling out of their Escalades, Durango’s, and Exprdition’s.
I can’t figure out how they pay for them, unless the entire group that fell out of the vehichle pooled their $$ to come up with the payment.August 13, 2007 at 3:50 PM #74720novice1027
ParticipantSpeaking of nice rides, (not the women!) I had a garage sale on Saturday and was stunned at how many non-english speaking folks fallling out of their Escalades, Durango’s, and Exprdition’s.
I can’t figure out how they pay for them, unless the entire group that fell out of the vehichle pooled their $$ to come up with the payment.August 13, 2007 at 4:11 PM #74729NotCranky
Participant“I can’t figure out how they pay for them, unless the entire group that fell out of the vehichle pooled their $$ to come up with the payment.”
I think you don’t have a very multi-cultural life experience. The are many logical reasons,including the one you mention, for “non-english” speakers to have nice cars. Anybody can enter the blue collar world easily. Don’t hard working, english speaking, blue collar, people have nice cars? The possibiities go on in many directions from there.
August 13, 2007 at 4:11 PM #74737NotCranky
Participant“I can’t figure out how they pay for them, unless the entire group that fell out of the vehichle pooled their $$ to come up with the payment.”
I think you don’t have a very multi-cultural life experience. The are many logical reasons,including the one you mention, for “non-english” speakers to have nice cars. Anybody can enter the blue collar world easily. Don’t hard working, english speaking, blue collar, people have nice cars? The possibiities go on in many directions from there.
August 13, 2007 at 4:11 PM #74612NotCranky
Participant“I can’t figure out how they pay for them, unless the entire group that fell out of the vehichle pooled their $$ to come up with the payment.”
I think you don’t have a very multi-cultural life experience. The are many logical reasons,including the one you mention, for “non-english” speakers to have nice cars. Anybody can enter the blue collar world easily. Don’t hard working, english speaking, blue collar, people have nice cars? The possibiities go on in many directions from there.
August 13, 2007 at 6:54 PM #74709novice1027
ParticipantFirstly,
Don’t jump to any conculsion of my “muliti-cultural life experience” since you have NO idea what race/culture myself or my family are and/or live. You are way off on that one.Whether someone speaks english or not is not really the just of my post. I don’t care if one speaks 5 languages or one, I still find it hard to believe that so many people drive around in 50K+ vehicles, on the average wage in this town.
Yes,I see many “hard working english speaking, blue collar people” and I also see very young people of all races driving around in these types of vehicles, and again I am astonished that the average joe can REALLY afford them. Drive by the high school down the street, and they are parked everywhere.
That was my point!
August 13, 2007 at 6:54 PM #74833novice1027
ParticipantFirstly,
Don’t jump to any conculsion of my “muliti-cultural life experience” since you have NO idea what race/culture myself or my family are and/or live. You are way off on that one.Whether someone speaks english or not is not really the just of my post. I don’t care if one speaks 5 languages or one, I still find it hard to believe that so many people drive around in 50K+ vehicles, on the average wage in this town.
Yes,I see many “hard working english speaking, blue collar people” and I also see very young people of all races driving around in these types of vehicles, and again I am astonished that the average joe can REALLY afford them. Drive by the high school down the street, and they are parked everywhere.
That was my point!
August 13, 2007 at 6:54 PM #74827novice1027
ParticipantFirstly,
Don’t jump to any conculsion of my “muliti-cultural life experience” since you have NO idea what race/culture myself or my family are and/or live. You are way off on that one.Whether someone speaks english or not is not really the just of my post. I don’t care if one speaks 5 languages or one, I still find it hard to believe that so many people drive around in 50K+ vehicles, on the average wage in this town.
Yes,I see many “hard working english speaking, blue collar people” and I also see very young people of all races driving around in these types of vehicles, and again I am astonished that the average joe can REALLY afford them. Drive by the high school down the street, and they are parked everywhere.
That was my point!
August 13, 2007 at 7:07 PM #74718FormerOwner
Participantirvinesinglemom,
Don’t despair; not ALL guys in So Cal are superficial. You sound perfect. I’m happily married but I’m sure there are a few decent single guys still out there, but I agree they’re probably the minority nowadays. By they way, if I thought you were a lesbian that would make me even more interested!
August 13, 2007 at 7:07 PM #74842FormerOwner
Participantirvinesinglemom,
Don’t despair; not ALL guys in So Cal are superficial. You sound perfect. I’m happily married but I’m sure there are a few decent single guys still out there, but I agree they’re probably the minority nowadays. By they way, if I thought you were a lesbian that would make me even more interested!
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