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  • January 13, 2010 at 9:12 AM #502275
    jpinpb
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    [quote=CONCHO]And of course there will be the miracle of government healthcare to protect us all from evil health insurance companies. Never mind that the evil health insurance companies will be the ones administering the system, the government will just be there to force you to purchase their worthless product.[/quote]

    This is something with which I take issue. I understand there are many other countries out there, such as Canada and Italy, which cover their citizens w/national healthcare. Healthcare – not insurance!

    In fact, in Italy, if you want extra coverage, better, additional medical care, then you go out and get medical insurance, for medical coverage above and beyond that provided by the government.

    There is NO requirement or obligation in those countries that you purchase insurance for medical care. Sure, I’m figuring that the national medical coverage is most likely paid for by taxes as most government programs are. And sure, their taxes are probably higher. I am not disputing any of that, nor whether it is right or wrong.

    My contention is our government trying to promote national healthcare, but it is, in effect, indirectly sponsoring private companies – insurance. Private insurance companies have one objective – to make money.

    If we are hell bent on having national health insurance coverage, then might as well just set it up like SS or Medicare. Not claiming whether those are great and successful programs, but at least they are not a private business for profit.

    January 13, 2010 at 9:33 AM #501753
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    The #1 power granted to Congress:

    “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States”

    The Constitution allows taxes for just about anything.

    There is a popular myth that the Constitution forbids taxes for certain things.

    People invoke this myth when they don’t like a certain tax or government program. It’s a classic example of simply believing what one wants to be true, and ignoring the facts.

    And if the Constitution did forbid a certain tax, the states couldn’t tax it either. There is nothing that says “the feds are forbidden to do X but the states can.”

    January 13, 2010 at 9:33 AM #501900
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    The #1 power granted to Congress:

    “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States”

    The Constitution allows taxes for just about anything.

    There is a popular myth that the Constitution forbids taxes for certain things.

    People invoke this myth when they don’t like a certain tax or government program. It’s a classic example of simply believing what one wants to be true, and ignoring the facts.

    And if the Constitution did forbid a certain tax, the states couldn’t tax it either. There is nothing that says “the feds are forbidden to do X but the states can.”

    January 13, 2010 at 9:33 AM #502644
    Anonymous
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    The #1 power granted to Congress:

    “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States”

    The Constitution allows taxes for just about anything.

    There is a popular myth that the Constitution forbids taxes for certain things.

    People invoke this myth when they don’t like a certain tax or government program. It’s a classic example of simply believing what one wants to be true, and ignoring the facts.

    And if the Constitution did forbid a certain tax, the states couldn’t tax it either. There is nothing that says “the feds are forbidden to do X but the states can.”

    January 13, 2010 at 9:33 AM #502300
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    The #1 power granted to Congress:

    “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States”

    The Constitution allows taxes for just about anything.

    There is a popular myth that the Constitution forbids taxes for certain things.

    People invoke this myth when they don’t like a certain tax or government program. It’s a classic example of simply believing what one wants to be true, and ignoring the facts.

    And if the Constitution did forbid a certain tax, the states couldn’t tax it either. There is nothing that says “the feds are forbidden to do X but the states can.”

    January 13, 2010 at 9:33 AM #502394
    Anonymous
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    The #1 power granted to Congress:

    “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States”

    The Constitution allows taxes for just about anything.

    There is a popular myth that the Constitution forbids taxes for certain things.

    People invoke this myth when they don’t like a certain tax or government program. It’s a classic example of simply believing what one wants to be true, and ignoring the facts.

    And if the Constitution did forbid a certain tax, the states couldn’t tax it either. There is nothing that says “the feds are forbidden to do X but the states can.”

    January 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM #501758
    blahblahblah
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    The Constitution allows taxes for just about anything.

    Then why was the 16th amendment necessary?

    January 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM #502649
    blahblahblah
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    The Constitution allows taxes for just about anything.

    Then why was the 16th amendment necessary?

    January 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM #502399
    blahblahblah
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    The Constitution allows taxes for just about anything.

    Then why was the 16th amendment necessary?

    January 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM #502305
    blahblahblah
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    The Constitution allows taxes for just about anything.

    Then why was the 16th amendment necessary?

    January 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM #501905
    blahblahblah
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    The Constitution allows taxes for just about anything.

    Then why was the 16th amendment necessary?

    January 13, 2010 at 9:57 AM #502404
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    [quote=CONCHO]Then why was the 16th amendment necessary?[/quote]

    Because there was a debate about whether an income tax was “uniform” (see the second part of the Constitutional text quoted above).

    The issue was about basis for determining how much individuals should pay relative to each other. There was never an issue about how the money was to be used.

    Wikipedia has lots of information about the reasons for the 16th amendment.

    And of course the 16th amendment was passed, so there really is no longer an issue.

    January 13, 2010 at 9:57 AM #502654
    Anonymous
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    [quote=CONCHO]Then why was the 16th amendment necessary?[/quote]

    Because there was a debate about whether an income tax was “uniform” (see the second part of the Constitutional text quoted above).

    The issue was about basis for determining how much individuals should pay relative to each other. There was never an issue about how the money was to be used.

    Wikipedia has lots of information about the reasons for the 16th amendment.

    And of course the 16th amendment was passed, so there really is no longer an issue.

    January 13, 2010 at 9:57 AM #501763
    Anonymous
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    [quote=CONCHO]Then why was the 16th amendment necessary?[/quote]

    Because there was a debate about whether an income tax was “uniform” (see the second part of the Constitutional text quoted above).

    The issue was about basis for determining how much individuals should pay relative to each other. There was never an issue about how the money was to be used.

    Wikipedia has lots of information about the reasons for the 16th amendment.

    And of course the 16th amendment was passed, so there really is no longer an issue.

    January 13, 2010 at 9:57 AM #502310
    Anonymous
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    [quote=CONCHO]Then why was the 16th amendment necessary?[/quote]

    Because there was a debate about whether an income tax was “uniform” (see the second part of the Constitutional text quoted above).

    The issue was about basis for determining how much individuals should pay relative to each other. There was never an issue about how the money was to be used.

    Wikipedia has lots of information about the reasons for the 16th amendment.

    And of course the 16th amendment was passed, so there really is no longer an issue.

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