Terrorism

[urbanrealtor]

This is akin to the people who read Germania by Tacitus and claim it predicts Hitler.

Truly dumb.

There are nominally Christian preacher who espouse violence and there is violence committed in the name of Christ.
The difference he cites is one of the interpretation of jurisprudence in the name of the lord.

The humor is the part about how the caliphates were so anti-Jewish. Remember he knows more than all those liberal historians.

I spent several weeks this summer roaming around Muslim castles in the old caliphate of Al-Andalus.
Its remarkable to see so many stars of David among Quranic verses.

Note: Sevilla (the last Iberian Muslim stronghold) was finally ceded to the Christians when the Christians swore a blood oath to the Muslim king that they would be tolerant of the Jews.

The inquisitions made the Moors uncomfortable about ceding their subjects over to genocidal conquerors.

Unsurprisingly, the Christians did not keep their word.

[urbanrealtor]

THis is the part where surveyor says he knows more than anyone else about Islam and his knowledge predicted this.

This is akin to the people who read Germania by Tacitus and claim it predicts Hitler.

Truly dumb.

There are nominally Christian preacher who espouse violence and there is violence committed in the name of Christ.
The difference he cites is one of the interpretation of jurisprudence in the name of the lord.

The humor is the part about how the caliphates were so anti-Jewish. Remember he knows more than all those liberal historians.

I spent several weeks this summer roaming around Muslim castles in the old caliphate of Al-Andalus.
Its remarkable to see so many stars of David among Quranic verses.

Note: Sevilla (the last Iberian Muslim stronghold) was finally ceded to the Christians when the Christians swore a blood oath to the Muslim king that they would be tolerant of the Jews.

The inquisitions made the Moors uncomfortable about ceding their subjects over to genocidal conquerors.

Unsurprisingly, the Christians did not keep their word.

[urbanrealtor]

THis is the part where surveyor says he knows more than anyone else about Islam and his knowledge predicted this.

This is akin to the people who read Germania by Tacitus and claim it predicts Hitler.

Truly dumb.

There are nominally Christian preacher who espouse violence and there is violence committed in the name of Christ.
The difference he cites is one of the interpretation of jurisprudence in the name of the lord.

The humor is the part about how the caliphates were so anti-Jewish. Remember he knows more than all those liberal historians.

I spent several weeks this summer roaming around Muslim castles in the old caliphate of Al-Andalus.
Its remarkable to see so many stars of David among Quranic verses.

Note: Sevilla (the last Iberian Muslim stronghold) was finally ceded to the Christians when the Christians swore a blood oath to the Muslim king that they would be tolerant of the Jews.

The inquisitions made the Moors uncomfortable about ceding their subjects over to genocidal conquerors.

Unsurprisingly, the Christians did not keep their word.

[urbanrealtor]

THis is the part where surveyor says he knows more than anyone else about Islam and his knowledge predicted this.

This is akin to the people who read Germania by Tacitus and claim it predicts Hitler.

Truly dumb.

There are nominally Christian preacher who espouse violence and there is violence committed in the name of Christ.
The difference he cites is one of the interpretation of jurisprudence in the name of the lord.

The humor is the part about how the caliphates were so anti-Jewish. Remember he knows more than all those liberal historians.

I spent several weeks this summer roaming around Muslim castles in the old caliphate of Al-Andalus.
Its remarkable to see so many stars of David among Quranic verses.

Note: Sevilla (the last Iberian Muslim stronghold) was finally ceded to the Christians when the Christians swore a blood oath to the Muslim king that they would be tolerant of the Jews.

The inquisitions made the Moors uncomfortable about ceding their subjects over to genocidal conquerors.

Unsurprisingly, the Christians did not keep their word.

[urbanrealtor]

THis is the part where surveyor says he knows more than anyone else about Islam and his knowledge predicted this.

This is akin to the people who read Germania by Tacitus and claim it predicts Hitler.

Truly dumb.

There are nominally Christian preacher who espouse violence and there is violence committed in the name of Christ.
The difference he cites is one of the interpretation of jurisprudence in the name of the lord.

The humor is the part about how the caliphates were so anti-Jewish. Remember he knows more than all those liberal historians.

I spent several weeks this summer roaming around Muslim castles in the old caliphate of Al-Andalus.
Its remarkable to see so many stars of David among Quranic verses.

Note: Sevilla (the last Iberian Muslim stronghold) was finally ceded to the Christians when the Christians swore a blood oath to the Muslim king that they would be tolerant of the Jews.

The inquisitions made the Moors uncomfortable about ceding their subjects over to genocidal conquerors.

Unsurprisingly, the Christians did not keep their word.

[urbanrealtor]

THis is the part where surveyor says he knows more than anyone else about Islam and his knowledge predicted this.

This is akin to the people who read Germania by Tacitus and claim it predicts Hitler.

Truly dumb.

There are nominally Christian preacher who espouse violence and there is violence committed in the name of Christ.
The difference he cites is one of the interpretation of jurisprudence in the name of the lord.

The humor is the part about how the caliphates were so anti-Jewish. Remember he knows more than all those liberal historians.

I spent several weeks this summer roaming around Muslim castles in the old caliphate of Al-Andalus.
Its remarkable to see so many stars of David among Quranic verses.

Note: Sevilla (the last Iberian Muslim stronghold) was finally ceded to the Christians when the Christians swore a blood oath to the Muslim king that they would be tolerant of the Jews.

The inquisitions made the Moors uncomfortable about ceding their subjects over to genocidal conquerors.

Unsurprisingly, the Christians did not keep their word.

[surveyor]

oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.

[surveyor]

oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.

[surveyor]

oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.

[surveyor]

oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.

[surveyor]

oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude][quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude]
Has nothing to do with Muslim or not Muslim. The quesiton is – what was this guy trying to accomplish and did he demand anything first ?[/quote]

Bzzzzt! Wrong, sorry, thank you for playing.
[/quote]

How could I be wrong ?
I asked a question – did he demand anything first ?

Just because he wants the people to sing the praises of Islam doesn’t mean that he actually asked them to before or after the violence. In other words, hey may have wanted to terrorize – that is, scare the people into converting, but did he actually terrorize ? That’s all I’m saying.

Unless you issue demands, you are just a killer, not a terrorist.

I’d label this a hate-crime or a fundamental religious nut-job, but not terrorism the way I believe it is defined.[/quote]

=sigh= Ok, let me spell it out for you then.

According to the scripture I quoted, many muslims are commanded by the Koran to TERRORIZE. This interpretation of the Koran has been upheld by many of their religious scholars, even up to today. So your statement of whether he was muslim or not muslim having nothing to do with his action was wrong. It had everything to do with his being a muslim.

You know, maybe he didn’t fit your definition of terrorist. But when you look at the Koran and his actions, he is following the commandments of the Koran and Mohammed’s example, who said to TERRORIZE. So he is a terrorist.

There may be violent verses in the Bible, but there are none that actively say or have been interpreted by religious scholars as “go kill people today”.

Instantly assuming that his being muslim had nothing to do with his actions is willful blindness, the same kind of willful blindness that let the military to keep him inside despite his long history of disturbing behavior. It was this blindness that allowed him to kill those people in Ft. Hood.

That’s how you were wrong.

Qur’an (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”[/quote]

Don’t give me this “sigh” crap. As if you think you are really smarter than me. I’m the only one who has presented a reasonable answer to the original question of “why hasn’t the media painted this guy as a terrorist.” without going into some rligious tirade. Because he didn’t really accomplish anything in the form of terrorism.

I agree that his actions had everything to do with being a Muslim, but actions don’t make him a terrorist. They make him a killer without much of a demand of his past or future victims.

He may have wanted to terrorize, but I think he’s done a bad job of it and sort of forgot to issue his demands of those terrorized.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude][quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude]
Has nothing to do with Muslim or not Muslim. The quesiton is – what was this guy trying to accomplish and did he demand anything first ?[/quote]

Bzzzzt! Wrong, sorry, thank you for playing.
[/quote]

How could I be wrong ?
I asked a question – did he demand anything first ?

Just because he wants the people to sing the praises of Islam doesn’t mean that he actually asked them to before or after the violence. In other words, hey may have wanted to terrorize – that is, scare the people into converting, but did he actually terrorize ? That’s all I’m saying.

Unless you issue demands, you are just a killer, not a terrorist.

I’d label this a hate-crime or a fundamental religious nut-job, but not terrorism the way I believe it is defined.[/quote]

=sigh= Ok, let me spell it out for you then.

According to the scripture I quoted, many muslims are commanded by the Koran to TERRORIZE. This interpretation of the Koran has been upheld by many of their religious scholars, even up to today. So your statement of whether he was muslim or not muslim having nothing to do with his action was wrong. It had everything to do with his being a muslim.

You know, maybe he didn’t fit your definition of terrorist. But when you look at the Koran and his actions, he is following the commandments of the Koran and Mohammed’s example, who said to TERRORIZE. So he is a terrorist.

There may be violent verses in the Bible, but there are none that actively say or have been interpreted by religious scholars as “go kill people today”.

Instantly assuming that his being muslim had nothing to do with his actions is willful blindness, the same kind of willful blindness that let the military to keep him inside despite his long history of disturbing behavior. It was this blindness that allowed him to kill those people in Ft. Hood.

That’s how you were wrong.

Qur’an (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”[/quote]

Don’t give me this “sigh” crap. As if you think you are really smarter than me. I’m the only one who has presented a reasonable answer to the original question of “why hasn’t the media painted this guy as a terrorist.” without going into some rligious tirade. Because he didn’t really accomplish anything in the form of terrorism.

I agree that his actions had everything to do with being a Muslim, but actions don’t make him a terrorist. They make him a killer without much of a demand of his past or future victims.

He may have wanted to terrorize, but I think he’s done a bad job of it and sort of forgot to issue his demands of those terrorized.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude][quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude]
Has nothing to do with Muslim or not Muslim. The quesiton is – what was this guy trying to accomplish and did he demand anything first ?[/quote]

Bzzzzt! Wrong, sorry, thank you for playing.
[/quote]

How could I be wrong ?
I asked a question – did he demand anything first ?

Just because he wants the people to sing the praises of Islam doesn’t mean that he actually asked them to before or after the violence. In other words, hey may have wanted to terrorize – that is, scare the people into converting, but did he actually terrorize ? That’s all I’m saying.

Unless you issue demands, you are just a killer, not a terrorist.

I’d label this a hate-crime or a fundamental religious nut-job, but not terrorism the way I believe it is defined.[/quote]

=sigh= Ok, let me spell it out for you then.

According to the scripture I quoted, many muslims are commanded by the Koran to TERRORIZE. This interpretation of the Koran has been upheld by many of their religious scholars, even up to today. So your statement of whether he was muslim or not muslim having nothing to do with his action was wrong. It had everything to do with his being a muslim.

You know, maybe he didn’t fit your definition of terrorist. But when you look at the Koran and his actions, he is following the commandments of the Koran and Mohammed’s example, who said to TERRORIZE. So he is a terrorist.

There may be violent verses in the Bible, but there are none that actively say or have been interpreted by religious scholars as “go kill people today”.

Instantly assuming that his being muslim had nothing to do with his actions is willful blindness, the same kind of willful blindness that let the military to keep him inside despite his long history of disturbing behavior. It was this blindness that allowed him to kill those people in Ft. Hood.

That’s how you were wrong.

Qur’an (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”[/quote]

Don’t give me this “sigh” crap. As if you think you are really smarter than me. I’m the only one who has presented a reasonable answer to the original question of “why hasn’t the media painted this guy as a terrorist.” without going into some rligious tirade. Because he didn’t really accomplish anything in the form of terrorism.

I agree that his actions had everything to do with being a Muslim, but actions don’t make him a terrorist. They make him a killer without much of a demand of his past or future victims.

He may have wanted to terrorize, but I think he’s done a bad job of it and sort of forgot to issue his demands of those terrorized.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude][quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude]
Has nothing to do with Muslim or not Muslim. The quesiton is – what was this guy trying to accomplish and did he demand anything first ?[/quote]

Bzzzzt! Wrong, sorry, thank you for playing.
[/quote]

How could I be wrong ?
I asked a question – did he demand anything first ?

Just because he wants the people to sing the praises of Islam doesn’t mean that he actually asked them to before or after the violence. In other words, hey may have wanted to terrorize – that is, scare the people into converting, but did he actually terrorize ? That’s all I’m saying.

Unless you issue demands, you are just a killer, not a terrorist.

I’d label this a hate-crime or a fundamental religious nut-job, but not terrorism the way I believe it is defined.[/quote]

=sigh= Ok, let me spell it out for you then.

According to the scripture I quoted, many muslims are commanded by the Koran to TERRORIZE. This interpretation of the Koran has been upheld by many of their religious scholars, even up to today. So your statement of whether he was muslim or not muslim having nothing to do with his action was wrong. It had everything to do with his being a muslim.

You know, maybe he didn’t fit your definition of terrorist. But when you look at the Koran and his actions, he is following the commandments of the Koran and Mohammed’s example, who said to TERRORIZE. So he is a terrorist.

There may be violent verses in the Bible, but there are none that actively say or have been interpreted by religious scholars as “go kill people today”.

Instantly assuming that his being muslim had nothing to do with his actions is willful blindness, the same kind of willful blindness that let the military to keep him inside despite his long history of disturbing behavior. It was this blindness that allowed him to kill those people in Ft. Hood.

That’s how you were wrong.

Qur’an (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”[/quote]

Don’t give me this “sigh” crap. As if you think you are really smarter than me. I’m the only one who has presented a reasonable answer to the original question of “why hasn’t the media painted this guy as a terrorist.” without going into some rligious tirade. Because he didn’t really accomplish anything in the form of terrorism.

I agree that his actions had everything to do with being a Muslim, but actions don’t make him a terrorist. They make him a killer without much of a demand of his past or future victims.

He may have wanted to terrorize, but I think he’s done a bad job of it and sort of forgot to issue his demands of those terrorized.

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