Terrorism

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]Right now fundamentalist evangelicals and zionists are actively supporting ethnic cleansing in Gaza because of prophecy and divine right.[/quote]

So what scripture of the Talmud are they using to justify their ethnic cleansing?

[quote=Arraya]However, this is state sanctioned religious fundamentalism and the cause of much of the resurgence of muslim religious killing.[/quote]

No, actually persecution of others and specifically jews by muslims has been going on for centuries. It never stopped.

[quote=Arraya]Jihadists actively seeking to kill innocents took a several hundred year hiatus until the past few decades. It is helpful to understand why rather than blathering about religious scripture. Because two can play that game.[/quote]

I don’t see you quoting any scripture. Because if you’re playing that game, you’re not even scoring.

But I will tell you that jihadism was badly damaged during WW2 when the Mufti of Jerusalem sided with Adolf Hitler.

Jihadism also failed miserably at blackmailing the then new nation of the United States into protection money. This resulted in the first Barbary War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

The ambassadors strategy of the Barbary states (who were independent muslim states at the time) is very telling:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.

Whoops there’s that word again. And gee, they must be so pissed off at zionism because they are clearly engaging in terrorism and jihadist behavior. Too bad this occurred a couple of hundred years before Israel was founded.

Anyways, it just seems like you’re just trying too hard to basically say, “we’re just as violent as them” or “well the zionists do it so the jihadists are justified”. Or “well we go to war and we need excuses”. Or other things. Kind of like telling a raped woman, well you dressed inappropriately, you were asking for it.

Unfortunately, the jihadists do know why they do what they do and they tell us. They say it is because they have been commanded by Mohammed. They often say it is because the Koran commands that they attack jews and infidels. Now these motivations have nothing to do with zionists or oil, or anything else. They’ve been telling us their motivations for centuries and even after 9/11 many of us aren’t listening.

Still, some interesting reading:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203946904574300241762121888.html

The Hebron Massacre. No jewish state then. No zionists then. No war for oil then. But yet here is a modern example of jihadism.

[surveyor]

[quote=pri_dk]
You quote one verse on the Koran that has the word “fight”, and then later quote another verse that simply has the word “terror” in it. (Both of these verses, are of course translated into English from Arabic, so we don’t really know exactly what they say.)
[/quote]

True, you have to read arabic to truly understand what the verses say. However, you can look at the religious rulings made by the various reputable muslim scholars, and look at how they interpreted the verses and it has been confirmed that “terror” means “terror”.

ed. – as opposed to our hopeful interpretation of what it would be, which would be “fluffy”. LOL

[quote=pri_dk]From this you conclude that all acts of violence committed by Muslims are terrorist acts?[/quote]

Nope. Specifically I am saying that Hasan is a terrorist. Not all acts of violence by muslims can be considered terrorist in nature. However, by Hasan’s behavior, it was clear that he believed in and was following the commandments of the Koran. And in so doing, he committed a terrorist act.

[quote=pri_dk]And in case anyone is keeping score, don’t forget to count the murders committed on the other side:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Federal_lawsuit

Being a religions fanatic that wants to kill all the infidels is much easier when you can just get a billion dollar government contract and use real weapons. No need to be creative and use airliners as weapons.[/quote]

When there are a thousand Erik Princes committing 10,000 killings in the name of his religion, then you would have a point. Otherwise, it just looks silly.

[surveyor]

[quote=pri_dk]
You quote one verse on the Koran that has the word “fight”, and then later quote another verse that simply has the word “terror” in it. (Both of these verses, are of course translated into English from Arabic, so we don’t really know exactly what they say.)
[/quote]

True, you have to read arabic to truly understand what the verses say. However, you can look at the religious rulings made by the various reputable muslim scholars, and look at how they interpreted the verses and it has been confirmed that “terror” means “terror”.

ed. – as opposed to our hopeful interpretation of what it would be, which would be “fluffy”. LOL

[quote=pri_dk]From this you conclude that all acts of violence committed by Muslims are terrorist acts?[/quote]

Nope. Specifically I am saying that Hasan is a terrorist. Not all acts of violence by muslims can be considered terrorist in nature. However, by Hasan’s behavior, it was clear that he believed in and was following the commandments of the Koran. And in so doing, he committed a terrorist act.

[quote=pri_dk]And in case anyone is keeping score, don’t forget to count the murders committed on the other side:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Federal_lawsuit

Being a religions fanatic that wants to kill all the infidels is much easier when you can just get a billion dollar government contract and use real weapons. No need to be creative and use airliners as weapons.[/quote]

When there are a thousand Erik Princes committing 10,000 killings in the name of his religion, then you would have a point. Otherwise, it just looks silly.

[surveyor]

[quote=pri_dk]
You quote one verse on the Koran that has the word “fight”, and then later quote another verse that simply has the word “terror” in it. (Both of these verses, are of course translated into English from Arabic, so we don’t really know exactly what they say.)
[/quote]

True, you have to read arabic to truly understand what the verses say. However, you can look at the religious rulings made by the various reputable muslim scholars, and look at how they interpreted the verses and it has been confirmed that “terror” means “terror”.

ed. – as opposed to our hopeful interpretation of what it would be, which would be “fluffy”. LOL

[quote=pri_dk]From this you conclude that all acts of violence committed by Muslims are terrorist acts?[/quote]

Nope. Specifically I am saying that Hasan is a terrorist. Not all acts of violence by muslims can be considered terrorist in nature. However, by Hasan’s behavior, it was clear that he believed in and was following the commandments of the Koran. And in so doing, he committed a terrorist act.

[quote=pri_dk]And in case anyone is keeping score, don’t forget to count the murders committed on the other side:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Federal_lawsuit

Being a religions fanatic that wants to kill all the infidels is much easier when you can just get a billion dollar government contract and use real weapons. No need to be creative and use airliners as weapons.[/quote]

When there are a thousand Erik Princes committing 10,000 killings in the name of his religion, then you would have a point. Otherwise, it just looks silly.

[surveyor]

[quote=pri_dk]
You quote one verse on the Koran that has the word “fight”, and then later quote another verse that simply has the word “terror” in it. (Both of these verses, are of course translated into English from Arabic, so we don’t really know exactly what they say.)
[/quote]

True, you have to read arabic to truly understand what the verses say. However, you can look at the religious rulings made by the various reputable muslim scholars, and look at how they interpreted the verses and it has been confirmed that “terror” means “terror”.

ed. – as opposed to our hopeful interpretation of what it would be, which would be “fluffy”. LOL

[quote=pri_dk]From this you conclude that all acts of violence committed by Muslims are terrorist acts?[/quote]

Nope. Specifically I am saying that Hasan is a terrorist. Not all acts of violence by muslims can be considered terrorist in nature. However, by Hasan’s behavior, it was clear that he believed in and was following the commandments of the Koran. And in so doing, he committed a terrorist act.

[quote=pri_dk]And in case anyone is keeping score, don’t forget to count the murders committed on the other side:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Federal_lawsuit

Being a religions fanatic that wants to kill all the infidels is much easier when you can just get a billion dollar government contract and use real weapons. No need to be creative and use airliners as weapons.[/quote]

When there are a thousand Erik Princes committing 10,000 killings in the name of his religion, then you would have a point. Otherwise, it just looks silly.

[surveyor]

[quote=pri_dk]
You quote one verse on the Koran that has the word “fight”, and then later quote another verse that simply has the word “terror” in it. (Both of these verses, are of course translated into English from Arabic, so we don’t really know exactly what they say.)
[/quote]

True, you have to read arabic to truly understand what the verses say. However, you can look at the religious rulings made by the various reputable muslim scholars, and look at how they interpreted the verses and it has been confirmed that “terror” means “terror”.

ed. – as opposed to our hopeful interpretation of what it would be, which would be “fluffy”. LOL

[quote=pri_dk]From this you conclude that all acts of violence committed by Muslims are terrorist acts?[/quote]

Nope. Specifically I am saying that Hasan is a terrorist. Not all acts of violence by muslims can be considered terrorist in nature. However, by Hasan’s behavior, it was clear that he believed in and was following the commandments of the Koran. And in so doing, he committed a terrorist act.

[quote=pri_dk]And in case anyone is keeping score, don’t forget to count the murders committed on the other side:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Federal_lawsuit

Being a religions fanatic that wants to kill all the infidels is much easier when you can just get a billion dollar government contract and use real weapons. No need to be creative and use airliners as weapons.[/quote]

When there are a thousand Erik Princes committing 10,000 killings in the name of his religion, then you would have a point. Otherwise, it just looks silly.

[Arraya]

[quote=surveyor][quote=Arraya]Right now fundamentalist evangelicals and zionists are actively supporting ethnic cleansing in Gaza because of prophecy and divine right.[/quote]

So what scripture of the Talmud are they using to justify their ethnic cleansing?

[/quote]

Why do you think they can just take their land at gun point and put them in refugee camps? Just for fun.

Israel Shahak, a holocaust survivor and chemist wrote Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight Of Three Thousand Years.

Which is probably your best insight into the zionist mind.

There are many different interpretations through out the bible and different jewish religious books of what the land ordained by god to the Isrealite’s entails, some down to africa and parts of Iraq.

The Land of Israel (Hebrew: אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל‎, Eretz Yisrael) is, according to the Hebrew Bible, the region which was promised by God to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac[1] and to the Israelites, descendants of Jacob, Abraham’s grandson. This land forms part of the Abrahamic, Jacob and Israel covenants. Mainstream Jewish tradition regards the promise as applying to all Jews, including converts and their descendants. The Biblical definitions of Eretz Israel encompass different regions; the actual area defined by these Bible passages is also subject to differences of opinion.
This term should not be confused with historical Israelite kingdoms or with the modern nation state of Israel (Medinat Yisrael).
Prior to the foundation of the State of Israel, the term Eretz Yisrael was used by Jews to refer to the area then generally known among non-Jews as the Holy Land or as Palestine. Since 1967, the term has been associated with the political Right in Israel.

This is considered prophecy by both zionists and evangelicals. Returning and ruling that land.

Christians united for Israel are the christians that help fund the settlements illegal racial settlements.

The stars of this shindig are Tom Delay and Joe Liebermen.

Notes:
The final battle is soon
Obama is the anti-christ
The final battle is with Persia
War must be started
Settlements in Gaza are part of prophecy

Even our prior commander and chief had these fantasies

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush[/url]

President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell President Bush had been on about in their last conversation. Bush had then said that when he looked at the Middle East, he saw “Gog and Magog at work” and the biblical prophecies unfolding. But who the hell were Gog and Magog? Neither Chirac nor his office had any idea. But they knew Bush was an evangelical Christian, so they asked the French Federation of Protestants, who in turn asked Professor Römer.

Bush seems to have taken the threat of Gog and Magog to Israel quite literally, and, if this story can be believed, to have launched a war to stop them.

Can it be believed? We have calls out to Professor Römer and to the Protestant Federation of France. I’ll report back if or when they get back to us. But Römer story was published in the Lausanne University magazine in 2007, and looks perfectly credible there. It was repeated independently in a French book of interviews with Chirac this spring. I’m certainly inclined to believe it myself: it makes as much sense as anything else about Bush’s policy in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_for_the_Jewish_people
The terms “Jewish state” and “homeland of the Jewish people” are used to describe the Zionist movement and the State of Israel[1][2][3][4][5][6] and refer to its status as a nation-state established in Palestine[7] for Jews.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology[/url]
[quote]RabbiMaimonides (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon), also known as the Rambam, wrote a commentary to tractate Sanhedrin stressing a relatively naturalistic interpretation of the Messiah and de-emphasizing miraculous elements. His commentary became widely (although not universally) accepted in the non- or less-mystical branches of Judaism:[citation needed]
[b]The Messianic age is when the Jews will regain their independence and all return to the land of Israel[/b].[/quote]

[url=http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Feng.pdf]http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Feng.pdf[/url]
[quote]However, [b]after the Holocaust, religious Jews saw the event as a “divine sign” that they had suffered enough according to prophecy, and that it was divinely
willed that they should take the first step towards the end times [/b]and reestablish the kingdom of Israel. Even though Israel was supposed to be established as a secular state, its establishment had
an impact on the Jewish eschatological timetable.[/quote] My question is how do you create a secular state for a specific religion, kind of an oxymoron, don’t ya think?

And includes the ” final battle” to knock persia down from power. Which is what they are trying to start now.

An important part in the eschatological drama is assigned to Israel’s final combat with the combined forces of the heathen nations under the leadership of Gog and Magog…. The destruction of Gog and Magog’s army implies not, as falsely stated by Weber (“Altsynagogale Theologie,” 1880, p. 369), followed by Bousset (“Religion des Judenthums,” p. 222), the extermination of the Gentile world at the close of the Messianic reign, but the annihilation of the heathen powers who oppose the kingdom of God

Read more: [url=http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=460&letter=E#ixzz0VQ4WJLPi]http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=460&letter=E#ixzz0VQ4WJLPi[/url]

Does Iran oppose the kingdom of God?

Of course biblical prophecy entails the rebuilding of the temple mount and we even have rumors of that.

[url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/166661]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/166661[/url]

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu wants to gain control of the Temple Mount and rebuild the Temple, said the leader of the Islamic Movement’s northern branch Sheikh Raed Salah. The Islamic leader’s comments came during a Wednesday speech to Muslim students at Haifa University.

During the speech Salah accused the Israeli government of constantly digging tunnels under the Temple Mount and the al-Aqsa Mosque, and said that Netanyahu was planning to complete during his current term what he did not complete during his first one. Salah was invited to speak by a students’ organization affiliated with the movement.

No, actually persecution of others and specifically jews by muslims has been going on for centuries. It never stopped.

Yes, the zionists were the terrorists pre-1948 lead by Igrun. Actually, Rham Emanuels father was Igrun.

Of course, this religious mumbo jumbo does not filter down to the IDF. They are secular defending Israel from scary terrorists, right?

[url=http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058758.html]http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058758.html[/url]

During the fighting in the Gaza Strip, the religious media – and on two occasions, the Israel Defense Forces weekly journal Bamahane – were full of praise for the army rabbinate. The substantial role of religious officers and soldiers in the front-line units of the IDF was, for the first time, supported also by the significant presence of rabbis there.

Officers and soldiers reported that they felt “spiritually elevated” and “morally empowered” by conversations with rabbis who gave them encouragement before the confrontation with the Palestinians.

But what exactly was the content of these conversations and of the plethora of written material disseminated by the IDF rabbinate during the war? A reservist battalion rabbi told the religious newspaper B’Sheva last week that Rontzki explained to his staff that their role was not “to distribute wine and challah for Shabbat to the troops,” but “to fill them with yiddishkeit and a fighting spirit.”

The chief army rabbi, Brigadier General Avichai Rontzki, joined the troops in the field on a number of occasions, as did rabbis under his command.
One such flyer is attributed to “the pupils of Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg” – the former rabbi at Joseph’s Tomb and author of the article “Baruch the Man,” which praises Baruch Goldstein, who massacred unarmed Palestinians in Hebron. It calls on “soldiers of Israel to spare your lives and the lives of your friends and not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us. We call on you … to function according to the law ‘kill the one who comes to kill you.’ As for the population, it is not innocent … We call on you to ignore any strange doctrines and orders that confuse the logical way of fighting the enemy.”

[There is] a biblical ban on surrendering a single millimeter of it [the Land of Israel] to gentiles, though all sorts of impure distortions and foolishness of autonomy, enclaves and other national weaknesses. We will not abandon it to the hands of another nation, not a finger, not a nail of it.” This is an excerpt from a publication entitled “Daily Torah studies for the soldier and the commander in Operation Cast Lead,” issued by the IDF rabbinate. The text is from “Books of Rabbi Shlomo Aviner,” who heads the Ateret Cohanim yeshiva in the Muslim quarter of the Old City in Jerusalem.

Well at least the Pentagon is free from that stuff. No extremists there.

[url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/52726/1703]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/52726/1703[/url]

Over the last year, I’ve ferreted out evidence of the spread of apocalyptic Christian theology in the US Pentagon and even found evidence the Pentagon has been directly promoting, among US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, apocalyptic theology and also the idea of a necessary religious war with Islam.

Fundamentalist Christianity often advocates widespread war in the Mideast, but it’s less often recognized that the Neoconservative vision for the Middle East is, in practical terms, all but indistinguishable from apocalyptic dispensationalist Christian views. [note: I’ve modified my origin statement in this paragraph – I apologize for suggesting that all fundamentalist Christianity is dispensationalist. That’s not true]

It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that people who believe in the coming (or even the necessary) Apocalypse are impractical or unhinged. But, my impression has actually been quite the opposite – I’ve noticed that many people who hold Dispensationalist theological views are often more pragmatic than non-dispensationalists.

Yes, there are those Christians who try to cast demons out of engine blocks or worry about how their blenders might be possessed by demons.

But at the level at which I’m talking, the neoconservatives and their apocalyptic dispensationalist Christian allies have been utterly and ruthlessly pragmatic, I’ve come to feel, about inciting maximal mayhem in the Middle East.

[Arraya]

[quote=surveyor][quote=Arraya]Right now fundamentalist evangelicals and zionists are actively supporting ethnic cleansing in Gaza because of prophecy and divine right.[/quote]

So what scripture of the Talmud are they using to justify their ethnic cleansing?

[/quote]

Why do you think they can just take their land at gun point and put them in refugee camps? Just for fun.

Israel Shahak, a holocaust survivor and chemist wrote Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight Of Three Thousand Years.

Which is probably your best insight into the zionist mind.

There are many different interpretations through out the bible and different jewish religious books of what the land ordained by god to the Isrealite’s entails, some down to africa and parts of Iraq.

The Land of Israel (Hebrew: אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל‎, Eretz Yisrael) is, according to the Hebrew Bible, the region which was promised by God to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac[1] and to the Israelites, descendants of Jacob, Abraham’s grandson. This land forms part of the Abrahamic, Jacob and Israel covenants. Mainstream Jewish tradition regards the promise as applying to all Jews, including converts and their descendants. The Biblical definitions of Eretz Israel encompass different regions; the actual area defined by these Bible passages is also subject to differences of opinion.
This term should not be confused with historical Israelite kingdoms or with the modern nation state of Israel (Medinat Yisrael).
Prior to the foundation of the State of Israel, the term Eretz Yisrael was used by Jews to refer to the area then generally known among non-Jews as the Holy Land or as Palestine. Since 1967, the term has been associated with the political Right in Israel.

This is considered prophecy by both zionists and evangelicals. Returning and ruling that land.

Christians united for Israel are the christians that help fund the settlements illegal racial settlements.

The stars of this shindig are Tom Delay and Joe Liebermen.

Notes:
The final battle is soon
Obama is the anti-christ
The final battle is with Persia
War must be started
Settlements in Gaza are part of prophecy

Even our prior commander and chief had these fantasies

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush[/url]

President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell President Bush had been on about in their last conversation. Bush had then said that when he looked at the Middle East, he saw “Gog and Magog at work” and the biblical prophecies unfolding. But who the hell were Gog and Magog? Neither Chirac nor his office had any idea. But they knew Bush was an evangelical Christian, so they asked the French Federation of Protestants, who in turn asked Professor Römer.

Bush seems to have taken the threat of Gog and Magog to Israel quite literally, and, if this story can be believed, to have launched a war to stop them.

Can it be believed? We have calls out to Professor Römer and to the Protestant Federation of France. I’ll report back if or when they get back to us. But Römer story was published in the Lausanne University magazine in 2007, and looks perfectly credible there. It was repeated independently in a French book of interviews with Chirac this spring. I’m certainly inclined to believe it myself: it makes as much sense as anything else about Bush’s policy in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_for_the_Jewish_people
The terms “Jewish state” and “homeland of the Jewish people” are used to describe the Zionist movement and the State of Israel[1][2][3][4][5][6] and refer to its status as a nation-state established in Palestine[7] for Jews.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology[/url]
[quote]RabbiMaimonides (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon), also known as the Rambam, wrote a commentary to tractate Sanhedrin stressing a relatively naturalistic interpretation of the Messiah and de-emphasizing miraculous elements. His commentary became widely (although not universally) accepted in the non- or less-mystical branches of Judaism:[citation needed]
[b]The Messianic age is when the Jews will regain their independence and all return to the land of Israel[/b].[/quote]

[url=http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Feng.pdf]http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Feng.pdf[/url]
[quote]However, [b]after the Holocaust, religious Jews saw the event as a “divine sign” that they had suffered enough according to prophecy, and that it was divinely
willed that they should take the first step towards the end times [/b]and reestablish the kingdom of Israel. Even though Israel was supposed to be established as a secular state, its establishment had
an impact on the Jewish eschatological timetable.[/quote] My question is how do you create a secular state for a specific religion, kind of an oxymoron, don’t ya think?

And includes the ” final battle” to knock persia down from power. Which is what they are trying to start now.

An important part in the eschatological drama is assigned to Israel’s final combat with the combined forces of the heathen nations under the leadership of Gog and Magog…. The destruction of Gog and Magog’s army implies not, as falsely stated by Weber (“Altsynagogale Theologie,” 1880, p. 369), followed by Bousset (“Religion des Judenthums,” p. 222), the extermination of the Gentile world at the close of the Messianic reign, but the annihilation of the heathen powers who oppose the kingdom of God

Read more: [url=http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=460&letter=E#ixzz0VQ4WJLPi]http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=460&letter=E#ixzz0VQ4WJLPi[/url]

Does Iran oppose the kingdom of God?

Of course biblical prophecy entails the rebuilding of the temple mount and we even have rumors of that.

[url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/166661]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/166661[/url]

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu wants to gain control of the Temple Mount and rebuild the Temple, said the leader of the Islamic Movement’s northern branch Sheikh Raed Salah. The Islamic leader’s comments came during a Wednesday speech to Muslim students at Haifa University.

During the speech Salah accused the Israeli government of constantly digging tunnels under the Temple Mount and the al-Aqsa Mosque, and said that Netanyahu was planning to complete during his current term what he did not complete during his first one. Salah was invited to speak by a students’ organization affiliated with the movement.

No, actually persecution of others and specifically jews by muslims has been going on for centuries. It never stopped.

Yes, the zionists were the terrorists pre-1948 lead by Igrun. Actually, Rham Emanuels father was Igrun.

Of course, this religious mumbo jumbo does not filter down to the IDF. They are secular defending Israel from scary terrorists, right?

[url=http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058758.html]http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058758.html[/url]

During the fighting in the Gaza Strip, the religious media – and on two occasions, the Israel Defense Forces weekly journal Bamahane – were full of praise for the army rabbinate. The substantial role of religious officers and soldiers in the front-line units of the IDF was, for the first time, supported also by the significant presence of rabbis there.

Officers and soldiers reported that they felt “spiritually elevated” and “morally empowered” by conversations with rabbis who gave them encouragement before the confrontation with the Palestinians.

But what exactly was the content of these conversations and of the plethora of written material disseminated by the IDF rabbinate during the war? A reservist battalion rabbi told the religious newspaper B’Sheva last week that Rontzki explained to his staff that their role was not “to distribute wine and challah for Shabbat to the troops,” but “to fill them with yiddishkeit and a fighting spirit.”

The chief army rabbi, Brigadier General Avichai Rontzki, joined the troops in the field on a number of occasions, as did rabbis under his command.
One such flyer is attributed to “the pupils of Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg” – the former rabbi at Joseph’s Tomb and author of the article “Baruch the Man,” which praises Baruch Goldstein, who massacred unarmed Palestinians in Hebron. It calls on “soldiers of Israel to spare your lives and the lives of your friends and not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us. We call on you … to function according to the law ‘kill the one who comes to kill you.’ As for the population, it is not innocent … We call on you to ignore any strange doctrines and orders that confuse the logical way of fighting the enemy.”

[There is] a biblical ban on surrendering a single millimeter of it [the Land of Israel] to gentiles, though all sorts of impure distortions and foolishness of autonomy, enclaves and other national weaknesses. We will not abandon it to the hands of another nation, not a finger, not a nail of it.” This is an excerpt from a publication entitled “Daily Torah studies for the soldier and the commander in Operation Cast Lead,” issued by the IDF rabbinate. The text is from “Books of Rabbi Shlomo Aviner,” who heads the Ateret Cohanim yeshiva in the Muslim quarter of the Old City in Jerusalem.

Well at least the Pentagon is free from that stuff. No extremists there.

[url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/52726/1703]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/52726/1703[/url]

Over the last year, I’ve ferreted out evidence of the spread of apocalyptic Christian theology in the US Pentagon and even found evidence the Pentagon has been directly promoting, among US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, apocalyptic theology and also the idea of a necessary religious war with Islam.

Fundamentalist Christianity often advocates widespread war in the Mideast, but it’s less often recognized that the Neoconservative vision for the Middle East is, in practical terms, all but indistinguishable from apocalyptic dispensationalist Christian views. [note: I’ve modified my origin statement in this paragraph – I apologize for suggesting that all fundamentalist Christianity is dispensationalist. That’s not true]

It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that people who believe in the coming (or even the necessary) Apocalypse are impractical or unhinged. But, my impression has actually been quite the opposite – I’ve noticed that many people who hold Dispensationalist theological views are often more pragmatic than non-dispensationalists.

Yes, there are those Christians who try to cast demons out of engine blocks or worry about how their blenders might be possessed by demons.

But at the level at which I’m talking, the neoconservatives and their apocalyptic dispensationalist Christian allies have been utterly and ruthlessly pragmatic, I’ve come to feel, about inciting maximal mayhem in the Middle East.

[Arraya]

[quote=surveyor][quote=Arraya]Right now fundamentalist evangelicals and zionists are actively supporting ethnic cleansing in Gaza because of prophecy and divine right.[/quote]

So what scripture of the Talmud are they using to justify their ethnic cleansing?

[/quote]

Why do you think they can just take their land at gun point and put them in refugee camps? Just for fun.

Israel Shahak, a holocaust survivor and chemist wrote Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight Of Three Thousand Years.

Which is probably your best insight into the zionist mind.

There are many different interpretations through out the bible and different jewish religious books of what the land ordained by god to the Isrealite’s entails, some down to africa and parts of Iraq.

The Land of Israel (Hebrew: אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל‎, Eretz Yisrael) is, according to the Hebrew Bible, the region which was promised by God to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac[1] and to the Israelites, descendants of Jacob, Abraham’s grandson. This land forms part of the Abrahamic, Jacob and Israel covenants. Mainstream Jewish tradition regards the promise as applying to all Jews, including converts and their descendants. The Biblical definitions of Eretz Israel encompass different regions; the actual area defined by these Bible passages is also subject to differences of opinion.
This term should not be confused with historical Israelite kingdoms or with the modern nation state of Israel (Medinat Yisrael).
Prior to the foundation of the State of Israel, the term Eretz Yisrael was used by Jews to refer to the area then generally known among non-Jews as the Holy Land or as Palestine. Since 1967, the term has been associated with the political Right in Israel.

This is considered prophecy by both zionists and evangelicals. Returning and ruling that land.

Christians united for Israel are the christians that help fund the settlements illegal racial settlements.

The stars of this shindig are Tom Delay and Joe Liebermen.

Notes:
The final battle is soon
Obama is the anti-christ
The final battle is with Persia
War must be started
Settlements in Gaza are part of prophecy

Even our prior commander and chief had these fantasies

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush[/url]

President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell President Bush had been on about in their last conversation. Bush had then said that when he looked at the Middle East, he saw “Gog and Magog at work” and the biblical prophecies unfolding. But who the hell were Gog and Magog? Neither Chirac nor his office had any idea. But they knew Bush was an evangelical Christian, so they asked the French Federation of Protestants, who in turn asked Professor Römer.

Bush seems to have taken the threat of Gog and Magog to Israel quite literally, and, if this story can be believed, to have launched a war to stop them.

Can it be believed? We have calls out to Professor Römer and to the Protestant Federation of France. I’ll report back if or when they get back to us. But Römer story was published in the Lausanne University magazine in 2007, and looks perfectly credible there. It was repeated independently in a French book of interviews with Chirac this spring. I’m certainly inclined to believe it myself: it makes as much sense as anything else about Bush’s policy in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_for_the_Jewish_people
The terms “Jewish state” and “homeland of the Jewish people” are used to describe the Zionist movement and the State of Israel[1][2][3][4][5][6] and refer to its status as a nation-state established in Palestine[7] for Jews.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology[/url]
[quote]RabbiMaimonides (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon), also known as the Rambam, wrote a commentary to tractate Sanhedrin stressing a relatively naturalistic interpretation of the Messiah and de-emphasizing miraculous elements. His commentary became widely (although not universally) accepted in the non- or less-mystical branches of Judaism:[citation needed]
[b]The Messianic age is when the Jews will regain their independence and all return to the land of Israel[/b].[/quote]

[url=http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Feng.pdf]http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Feng.pdf[/url]
[quote]However, [b]after the Holocaust, religious Jews saw the event as a “divine sign” that they had suffered enough according to prophecy, and that it was divinely
willed that they should take the first step towards the end times [/b]and reestablish the kingdom of Israel. Even though Israel was supposed to be established as a secular state, its establishment had
an impact on the Jewish eschatological timetable.[/quote] My question is how do you create a secular state for a specific religion, kind of an oxymoron, don’t ya think?

And includes the ” final battle” to knock persia down from power. Which is what they are trying to start now.

An important part in the eschatological drama is assigned to Israel’s final combat with the combined forces of the heathen nations under the leadership of Gog and Magog…. The destruction of Gog and Magog’s army implies not, as falsely stated by Weber (“Altsynagogale Theologie,” 1880, p. 369), followed by Bousset (“Religion des Judenthums,” p. 222), the extermination of the Gentile world at the close of the Messianic reign, but the annihilation of the heathen powers who oppose the kingdom of God

Read more: [url=http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=460&letter=E#ixzz0VQ4WJLPi]http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=460&letter=E#ixzz0VQ4WJLPi[/url]

Does Iran oppose the kingdom of God?

Of course biblical prophecy entails the rebuilding of the temple mount and we even have rumors of that.

[url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/166661]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/166661[/url]

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu wants to gain control of the Temple Mount and rebuild the Temple, said the leader of the Islamic Movement’s northern branch Sheikh Raed Salah. The Islamic leader’s comments came during a Wednesday speech to Muslim students at Haifa University.

During the speech Salah accused the Israeli government of constantly digging tunnels under the Temple Mount and the al-Aqsa Mosque, and said that Netanyahu was planning to complete during his current term what he did not complete during his first one. Salah was invited to speak by a students’ organization affiliated with the movement.

No, actually persecution of others and specifically jews by muslims has been going on for centuries. It never stopped.

Yes, the zionists were the terrorists pre-1948 lead by Igrun. Actually, Rham Emanuels father was Igrun.

Of course, this religious mumbo jumbo does not filter down to the IDF. They are secular defending Israel from scary terrorists, right?

[url=http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058758.html]http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058758.html[/url]

During the fighting in the Gaza Strip, the religious media – and on two occasions, the Israel Defense Forces weekly journal Bamahane – were full of praise for the army rabbinate. The substantial role of religious officers and soldiers in the front-line units of the IDF was, for the first time, supported also by the significant presence of rabbis there.

Officers and soldiers reported that they felt “spiritually elevated” and “morally empowered” by conversations with rabbis who gave them encouragement before the confrontation with the Palestinians.

But what exactly was the content of these conversations and of the plethora of written material disseminated by the IDF rabbinate during the war? A reservist battalion rabbi told the religious newspaper B’Sheva last week that Rontzki explained to his staff that their role was not “to distribute wine and challah for Shabbat to the troops,” but “to fill them with yiddishkeit and a fighting spirit.”

The chief army rabbi, Brigadier General Avichai Rontzki, joined the troops in the field on a number of occasions, as did rabbis under his command.
One such flyer is attributed to “the pupils of Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg” – the former rabbi at Joseph’s Tomb and author of the article “Baruch the Man,” which praises Baruch Goldstein, who massacred unarmed Palestinians in Hebron. It calls on “soldiers of Israel to spare your lives and the lives of your friends and not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us. We call on you … to function according to the law ‘kill the one who comes to kill you.’ As for the population, it is not innocent … We call on you to ignore any strange doctrines and orders that confuse the logical way of fighting the enemy.”

[There is] a biblical ban on surrendering a single millimeter of it [the Land of Israel] to gentiles, though all sorts of impure distortions and foolishness of autonomy, enclaves and other national weaknesses. We will not abandon it to the hands of another nation, not a finger, not a nail of it.” This is an excerpt from a publication entitled “Daily Torah studies for the soldier and the commander in Operation Cast Lead,” issued by the IDF rabbinate. The text is from “Books of Rabbi Shlomo Aviner,” who heads the Ateret Cohanim yeshiva in the Muslim quarter of the Old City in Jerusalem.

Well at least the Pentagon is free from that stuff. No extremists there.

[url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/52726/1703]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/52726/1703[/url]

Over the last year, I’ve ferreted out evidence of the spread of apocalyptic Christian theology in the US Pentagon and even found evidence the Pentagon has been directly promoting, among US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, apocalyptic theology and also the idea of a necessary religious war with Islam.

Fundamentalist Christianity often advocates widespread war in the Mideast, but it’s less often recognized that the Neoconservative vision for the Middle East is, in practical terms, all but indistinguishable from apocalyptic dispensationalist Christian views. [note: I’ve modified my origin statement in this paragraph – I apologize for suggesting that all fundamentalist Christianity is dispensationalist. That’s not true]

It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that people who believe in the coming (or even the necessary) Apocalypse are impractical or unhinged. But, my impression has actually been quite the opposite – I’ve noticed that many people who hold Dispensationalist theological views are often more pragmatic than non-dispensationalists.

Yes, there are those Christians who try to cast demons out of engine blocks or worry about how their blenders might be possessed by demons.

But at the level at which I’m talking, the neoconservatives and their apocalyptic dispensationalist Christian allies have been utterly and ruthlessly pragmatic, I’ve come to feel, about inciting maximal mayhem in the Middle East.

[Arraya]

[quote=surveyor][quote=Arraya]Right now fundamentalist evangelicals and zionists are actively supporting ethnic cleansing in Gaza because of prophecy and divine right.[/quote]

So what scripture of the Talmud are they using to justify their ethnic cleansing?

[/quote]

Why do you think they can just take their land at gun point and put them in refugee camps? Just for fun.

Israel Shahak, a holocaust survivor and chemist wrote Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight Of Three Thousand Years.

Which is probably your best insight into the zionist mind.

There are many different interpretations through out the bible and different jewish religious books of what the land ordained by god to the Isrealite’s entails, some down to africa and parts of Iraq.

The Land of Israel (Hebrew: אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל‎, Eretz Yisrael) is, according to the Hebrew Bible, the region which was promised by God to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac[1] and to the Israelites, descendants of Jacob, Abraham’s grandson. This land forms part of the Abrahamic, Jacob and Israel covenants. Mainstream Jewish tradition regards the promise as applying to all Jews, including converts and their descendants. The Biblical definitions of Eretz Israel encompass different regions; the actual area defined by these Bible passages is also subject to differences of opinion.
This term should not be confused with historical Israelite kingdoms or with the modern nation state of Israel (Medinat Yisrael).
Prior to the foundation of the State of Israel, the term Eretz Yisrael was used by Jews to refer to the area then generally known among non-Jews as the Holy Land or as Palestine. Since 1967, the term has been associated with the political Right in Israel.

This is considered prophecy by both zionists and evangelicals. Returning and ruling that land.

Christians united for Israel are the christians that help fund the settlements illegal racial settlements.

The stars of this shindig are Tom Delay and Joe Liebermen.

Notes:
The final battle is soon
Obama is the anti-christ
The final battle is with Persia
War must be started
Settlements in Gaza are part of prophecy

Even our prior commander and chief had these fantasies

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush[/url]

President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell President Bush had been on about in their last conversation. Bush had then said that when he looked at the Middle East, he saw “Gog and Magog at work” and the biblical prophecies unfolding. But who the hell were Gog and Magog? Neither Chirac nor his office had any idea. But they knew Bush was an evangelical Christian, so they asked the French Federation of Protestants, who in turn asked Professor Römer.

Bush seems to have taken the threat of Gog and Magog to Israel quite literally, and, if this story can be believed, to have launched a war to stop them.

Can it be believed? We have calls out to Professor Römer and to the Protestant Federation of France. I’ll report back if or when they get back to us. But Römer story was published in the Lausanne University magazine in 2007, and looks perfectly credible there. It was repeated independently in a French book of interviews with Chirac this spring. I’m certainly inclined to believe it myself: it makes as much sense as anything else about Bush’s policy in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_for_the_Jewish_people
The terms “Jewish state” and “homeland of the Jewish people” are used to describe the Zionist movement and the State of Israel[1][2][3][4][5][6] and refer to its status as a nation-state established in Palestine[7] for Jews.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology[/url]
[quote]RabbiMaimonides (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon), also known as the Rambam, wrote a commentary to tractate Sanhedrin stressing a relatively naturalistic interpretation of the Messiah and de-emphasizing miraculous elements. His commentary became widely (although not universally) accepted in the non- or less-mystical branches of Judaism:[citation needed]
[b]The Messianic age is when the Jews will regain their independence and all return to the land of Israel[/b].[/quote]

[url=http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Feng.pdf]http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Feng.pdf[/url]
[quote]However, [b]after the Holocaust, religious Jews saw the event as a “divine sign” that they had suffered enough according to prophecy, and that it was divinely
willed that they should take the first step towards the end times [/b]and reestablish the kingdom of Israel. Even though Israel was supposed to be established as a secular state, its establishment had
an impact on the Jewish eschatological timetable.[/quote] My question is how do you create a secular state for a specific religion, kind of an oxymoron, don’t ya think?

And includes the ” final battle” to knock persia down from power. Which is what they are trying to start now.

An important part in the eschatological drama is assigned to Israel’s final combat with the combined forces of the heathen nations under the leadership of Gog and Magog…. The destruction of Gog and Magog’s army implies not, as falsely stated by Weber (“Altsynagogale Theologie,” 1880, p. 369), followed by Bousset (“Religion des Judenthums,” p. 222), the extermination of the Gentile world at the close of the Messianic reign, but the annihilation of the heathen powers who oppose the kingdom of God

Read more: [url=http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=460&letter=E#ixzz0VQ4WJLPi]http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=460&letter=E#ixzz0VQ4WJLPi[/url]

Does Iran oppose the kingdom of God?

Of course biblical prophecy entails the rebuilding of the temple mount and we even have rumors of that.

[url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/166661]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/166661[/url]

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu wants to gain control of the Temple Mount and rebuild the Temple, said the leader of the Islamic Movement’s northern branch Sheikh Raed Salah. The Islamic leader’s comments came during a Wednesday speech to Muslim students at Haifa University.

During the speech Salah accused the Israeli government of constantly digging tunnels under the Temple Mount and the al-Aqsa Mosque, and said that Netanyahu was planning to complete during his current term what he did not complete during his first one. Salah was invited to speak by a students’ organization affiliated with the movement.

No, actually persecution of others and specifically jews by muslims has been going on for centuries. It never stopped.

Yes, the zionists were the terrorists pre-1948 lead by Igrun. Actually, Rham Emanuels father was Igrun.

Of course, this religious mumbo jumbo does not filter down to the IDF. They are secular defending Israel from scary terrorists, right?

[url=http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058758.html]http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058758.html[/url]

During the fighting in the Gaza Strip, the religious media – and on two occasions, the Israel Defense Forces weekly journal Bamahane – were full of praise for the army rabbinate. The substantial role of religious officers and soldiers in the front-line units of the IDF was, for the first time, supported also by the significant presence of rabbis there.

Officers and soldiers reported that they felt “spiritually elevated” and “morally empowered” by conversations with rabbis who gave them encouragement before the confrontation with the Palestinians.

But what exactly was the content of these conversations and of the plethora of written material disseminated by the IDF rabbinate during the war? A reservist battalion rabbi told the religious newspaper B’Sheva last week that Rontzki explained to his staff that their role was not “to distribute wine and challah for Shabbat to the troops,” but “to fill them with yiddishkeit and a fighting spirit.”

The chief army rabbi, Brigadier General Avichai Rontzki, joined the troops in the field on a number of occasions, as did rabbis under his command.
One such flyer is attributed to “the pupils of Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg” – the former rabbi at Joseph’s Tomb and author of the article “Baruch the Man,” which praises Baruch Goldstein, who massacred unarmed Palestinians in Hebron. It calls on “soldiers of Israel to spare your lives and the lives of your friends and not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us. We call on you … to function according to the law ‘kill the one who comes to kill you.’ As for the population, it is not innocent … We call on you to ignore any strange doctrines and orders that confuse the logical way of fighting the enemy.”

[There is] a biblical ban on surrendering a single millimeter of it [the Land of Israel] to gentiles, though all sorts of impure distortions and foolishness of autonomy, enclaves and other national weaknesses. We will not abandon it to the hands of another nation, not a finger, not a nail of it.” This is an excerpt from a publication entitled “Daily Torah studies for the soldier and the commander in Operation Cast Lead,” issued by the IDF rabbinate. The text is from “Books of Rabbi Shlomo Aviner,” who heads the Ateret Cohanim yeshiva in the Muslim quarter of the Old City in Jerusalem.

Well at least the Pentagon is free from that stuff. No extremists there.

[url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/52726/1703]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/52726/1703[/url]

Over the last year, I’ve ferreted out evidence of the spread of apocalyptic Christian theology in the US Pentagon and even found evidence the Pentagon has been directly promoting, among US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, apocalyptic theology and also the idea of a necessary religious war with Islam.

Fundamentalist Christianity often advocates widespread war in the Mideast, but it’s less often recognized that the Neoconservative vision for the Middle East is, in practical terms, all but indistinguishable from apocalyptic dispensationalist Christian views. [note: I’ve modified my origin statement in this paragraph – I apologize for suggesting that all fundamentalist Christianity is dispensationalist. That’s not true]

It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that people who believe in the coming (or even the necessary) Apocalypse are impractical or unhinged. But, my impression has actually been quite the opposite – I’ve noticed that many people who hold Dispensationalist theological views are often more pragmatic than non-dispensationalists.

Yes, there are those Christians who try to cast demons out of engine blocks or worry about how their blenders might be possessed by demons.

But at the level at which I’m talking, the neoconservatives and their apocalyptic dispensationalist Christian allies have been utterly and ruthlessly pragmatic, I’ve come to feel, about inciting maximal mayhem in the Middle East.

[Arraya]

[quote=surveyor][quote=Arraya]Right now fundamentalist evangelicals and zionists are actively supporting ethnic cleansing in Gaza because of prophecy and divine right.[/quote]

So what scripture of the Talmud are they using to justify their ethnic cleansing?

[/quote]

Why do you think they can just take their land at gun point and put them in refugee camps? Just for fun.

Israel Shahak, a holocaust survivor and chemist wrote Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight Of Three Thousand Years.

Which is probably your best insight into the zionist mind.

There are many different interpretations through out the bible and different jewish religious books of what the land ordained by god to the Isrealite’s entails, some down to africa and parts of Iraq.

The Land of Israel (Hebrew: אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל‎, Eretz Yisrael) is, according to the Hebrew Bible, the region which was promised by God to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac[1] and to the Israelites, descendants of Jacob, Abraham’s grandson. This land forms part of the Abrahamic, Jacob and Israel covenants. Mainstream Jewish tradition regards the promise as applying to all Jews, including converts and their descendants. The Biblical definitions of Eretz Israel encompass different regions; the actual area defined by these Bible passages is also subject to differences of opinion.
This term should not be confused with historical Israelite kingdoms or with the modern nation state of Israel (Medinat Yisrael).
Prior to the foundation of the State of Israel, the term Eretz Yisrael was used by Jews to refer to the area then generally known among non-Jews as the Holy Land or as Palestine. Since 1967, the term has been associated with the political Right in Israel.

This is considered prophecy by both zionists and evangelicals. Returning and ruling that land.

Christians united for Israel are the christians that help fund the settlements illegal racial settlements.

The stars of this shindig are Tom Delay and Joe Liebermen.

Notes:
The final battle is soon
Obama is the anti-christ
The final battle is with Persia
War must be started
Settlements in Gaza are part of prophecy

Even our prior commander and chief had these fantasies

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush[/url]

President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell President Bush had been on about in their last conversation. Bush had then said that when he looked at the Middle East, he saw “Gog and Magog at work” and the biblical prophecies unfolding. But who the hell were Gog and Magog? Neither Chirac nor his office had any idea. But they knew Bush was an evangelical Christian, so they asked the French Federation of Protestants, who in turn asked Professor Römer.

Bush seems to have taken the threat of Gog and Magog to Israel quite literally, and, if this story can be believed, to have launched a war to stop them.

Can it be believed? We have calls out to Professor Römer and to the Protestant Federation of France. I’ll report back if or when they get back to us. But Römer story was published in the Lausanne University magazine in 2007, and looks perfectly credible there. It was repeated independently in a French book of interviews with Chirac this spring. I’m certainly inclined to believe it myself: it makes as much sense as anything else about Bush’s policy in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_for_the_Jewish_people
The terms “Jewish state” and “homeland of the Jewish people” are used to describe the Zionist movement and the State of Israel[1][2][3][4][5][6] and refer to its status as a nation-state established in Palestine[7] for Jews.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology[/url]
[quote]RabbiMaimonides (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon), also known as the Rambam, wrote a commentary to tractate Sanhedrin stressing a relatively naturalistic interpretation of the Messiah and de-emphasizing miraculous elements. His commentary became widely (although not universally) accepted in the non- or less-mystical branches of Judaism:[citation needed]
[b]The Messianic age is when the Jews will regain their independence and all return to the land of Israel[/b].[/quote]

[url=http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Feng.pdf]http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Feng.pdf[/url]
[quote]However, [b]after the Holocaust, religious Jews saw the event as a “divine sign” that they had suffered enough according to prophecy, and that it was divinely
willed that they should take the first step towards the end times [/b]and reestablish the kingdom of Israel. Even though Israel was supposed to be established as a secular state, its establishment had
an impact on the Jewish eschatological timetable.[/quote] My question is how do you create a secular state for a specific religion, kind of an oxymoron, don’t ya think?

And includes the ” final battle” to knock persia down from power. Which is what they are trying to start now.

An important part in the eschatological drama is assigned to Israel’s final combat with the combined forces of the heathen nations under the leadership of Gog and Magog…. The destruction of Gog and Magog’s army implies not, as falsely stated by Weber (“Altsynagogale Theologie,” 1880, p. 369), followed by Bousset (“Religion des Judenthums,” p. 222), the extermination of the Gentile world at the close of the Messianic reign, but the annihilation of the heathen powers who oppose the kingdom of God

Read more: [url=http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=460&letter=E#ixzz0VQ4WJLPi]http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=460&letter=E#ixzz0VQ4WJLPi[/url]

Does Iran oppose the kingdom of God?

Of course biblical prophecy entails the rebuilding of the temple mount and we even have rumors of that.

[url=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/166661]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/166661[/url]

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu wants to gain control of the Temple Mount and rebuild the Temple, said the leader of the Islamic Movement’s northern branch Sheikh Raed Salah. The Islamic leader’s comments came during a Wednesday speech to Muslim students at Haifa University.

During the speech Salah accused the Israeli government of constantly digging tunnels under the Temple Mount and the al-Aqsa Mosque, and said that Netanyahu was planning to complete during his current term what he did not complete during his first one. Salah was invited to speak by a students’ organization affiliated with the movement.

No, actually persecution of others and specifically jews by muslims has been going on for centuries. It never stopped.

Yes, the zionists were the terrorists pre-1948 lead by Igrun. Actually, Rham Emanuels father was Igrun.

Of course, this religious mumbo jumbo does not filter down to the IDF. They are secular defending Israel from scary terrorists, right?

[url=http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058758.html]http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058758.html[/url]

During the fighting in the Gaza Strip, the religious media – and on two occasions, the Israel Defense Forces weekly journal Bamahane – were full of praise for the army rabbinate. The substantial role of religious officers and soldiers in the front-line units of the IDF was, for the first time, supported also by the significant presence of rabbis there.

Officers and soldiers reported that they felt “spiritually elevated” and “morally empowered” by conversations with rabbis who gave them encouragement before the confrontation with the Palestinians.

But what exactly was the content of these conversations and of the plethora of written material disseminated by the IDF rabbinate during the war? A reservist battalion rabbi told the religious newspaper B’Sheva last week that Rontzki explained to his staff that their role was not “to distribute wine and challah for Shabbat to the troops,” but “to fill them with yiddishkeit and a fighting spirit.”

The chief army rabbi, Brigadier General Avichai Rontzki, joined the troops in the field on a number of occasions, as did rabbis under his command.
One such flyer is attributed to “the pupils of Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg” – the former rabbi at Joseph’s Tomb and author of the article “Baruch the Man,” which praises Baruch Goldstein, who massacred unarmed Palestinians in Hebron. It calls on “soldiers of Israel to spare your lives and the lives of your friends and not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us. We call on you … to function according to the law ‘kill the one who comes to kill you.’ As for the population, it is not innocent … We call on you to ignore any strange doctrines and orders that confuse the logical way of fighting the enemy.”

[There is] a biblical ban on surrendering a single millimeter of it [the Land of Israel] to gentiles, though all sorts of impure distortions and foolishness of autonomy, enclaves and other national weaknesses. We will not abandon it to the hands of another nation, not a finger, not a nail of it.” This is an excerpt from a publication entitled “Daily Torah studies for the soldier and the commander in Operation Cast Lead,” issued by the IDF rabbinate. The text is from “Books of Rabbi Shlomo Aviner,” who heads the Ateret Cohanim yeshiva in the Muslim quarter of the Old City in Jerusalem.

Well at least the Pentagon is free from that stuff. No extremists there.

[url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/52726/1703]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/52726/1703[/url]

Over the last year, I’ve ferreted out evidence of the spread of apocalyptic Christian theology in the US Pentagon and even found evidence the Pentagon has been directly promoting, among US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, apocalyptic theology and also the idea of a necessary religious war with Islam.

Fundamentalist Christianity often advocates widespread war in the Mideast, but it’s less often recognized that the Neoconservative vision for the Middle East is, in practical terms, all but indistinguishable from apocalyptic dispensationalist Christian views. [note: I’ve modified my origin statement in this paragraph – I apologize for suggesting that all fundamentalist Christianity is dispensationalist. That’s not true]

It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that people who believe in the coming (or even the necessary) Apocalypse are impractical or unhinged. But, my impression has actually been quite the opposite – I’ve noticed that many people who hold Dispensationalist theological views are often more pragmatic than non-dispensationalists.

Yes, there are those Christians who try to cast demons out of engine blocks or worry about how their blenders might be possessed by demons.

But at the level at which I’m talking, the neoconservatives and their apocalyptic dispensationalist Christian allies have been utterly and ruthlessly pragmatic, I’ve come to feel, about inciting maximal mayhem in the Middle East.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is the international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine. The area was the Jewish Biblical homeland, called the Land of Israel (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra’el). Since the creation of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily as support for the modern state of Israel.[1]
Zionism is based on the foundation of historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, where the concept of Jewish nationhood first evolved somewhere between 1200 BCE and the late Second Temple era (i.e. up to 70 CE).[2][3] Two millennia after the Jewish diaspora, the modern Zionist movement, beginning in the late 19th century, was mainly founded by secular Jews, largely as a response by European Jewry to antisemitism across Europe, especially in Russia.[4] The re-creation of a Jewish national homeland was also strongly advocated by American scholars, such as Louis Brandeis, as a solution to this “Jewish problem” and a way to “revive the Jewish spirit.”[5]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is the international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine. The area was the Jewish Biblical homeland, called the Land of Israel (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra’el). Since the creation of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily as support for the modern state of Israel.[1]
Zionism is based on the foundation of historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, where the concept of Jewish nationhood first evolved somewhere between 1200 BCE and the late Second Temple era (i.e. up to 70 CE).[2][3] Two millennia after the Jewish diaspora, the modern Zionist movement, beginning in the late 19th century, was mainly founded by secular Jews, largely as a response by European Jewry to antisemitism across Europe, especially in Russia.[4] The re-creation of a Jewish national homeland was also strongly advocated by American scholars, such as Louis Brandeis, as a solution to this “Jewish problem” and a way to “revive the Jewish spirit.”[5]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is the international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine. The area was the Jewish Biblical homeland, called the Land of Israel (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra’el). Since the creation of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily as support for the modern state of Israel.[1]
Zionism is based on the foundation of historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, where the concept of Jewish nationhood first evolved somewhere between 1200 BCE and the late Second Temple era (i.e. up to 70 CE).[2][3] Two millennia after the Jewish diaspora, the modern Zionist movement, beginning in the late 19th century, was mainly founded by secular Jews, largely as a response by European Jewry to antisemitism across Europe, especially in Russia.[4] The re-creation of a Jewish national homeland was also strongly advocated by American scholars, such as Louis Brandeis, as a solution to this “Jewish problem” and a way to “revive the Jewish spirit.”[5]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is the international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine. The area was the Jewish Biblical homeland, called the Land of Israel (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra’el). Since the creation of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily as support for the modern state of Israel.[1]
Zionism is based on the foundation of historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, where the concept of Jewish nationhood first evolved somewhere between 1200 BCE and the late Second Temple era (i.e. up to 70 CE).[2][3] Two millennia after the Jewish diaspora, the modern Zionist movement, beginning in the late 19th century, was mainly founded by secular Jews, largely as a response by European Jewry to antisemitism across Europe, especially in Russia.[4] The re-creation of a Jewish national homeland was also strongly advocated by American scholars, such as Louis Brandeis, as a solution to this “Jewish problem” and a way to “revive the Jewish spirit.”[5]

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