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November 10, 2009 at 7:35 AM #480637November 10, 2009 at 8:02 AM #479823
Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=pri_dk]
[quote]And, I couldn’t agree more about executing him. After extensively interrogating (not torturing) him, of course.[/quote]We interrogate him to learn if there is, in fact, more to know. We don’t “interrogate” to punish or get revenge. If we are going to ignore the 8th Amendment, then why not throw out the 2nd as well? And I know you wouldn’t like that.[/quote]
Pri: Which is why I used the term “interrogate” rather than “torture”.
There are several reports linking him to various people and organizations of “interest”. However shoddy or inept his plan was, it appears that there was a plan.
I would platoon several teams of experienced FBI counter-terrorism folks and grill him extensively.
As to torturing him, what’s the point. That’s solely used to send a message and as personally enjoyable as it would be to go after him with a metro phone book, a blowtorch and a pair of Craftsman pliers, it wouldn’t serve the greater good.
November 10, 2009 at 8:02 AM #479993Participant[quote=pri_dk]
[quote]And, I couldn’t agree more about executing him. After extensively interrogating (not torturing) him, of course.[/quote]We interrogate him to learn if there is, in fact, more to know. We don’t “interrogate” to punish or get revenge. If we are going to ignore the 8th Amendment, then why not throw out the 2nd as well? And I know you wouldn’t like that.[/quote]
Pri: Which is why I used the term “interrogate” rather than “torture”.
There are several reports linking him to various people and organizations of “interest”. However shoddy or inept his plan was, it appears that there was a plan.
I would platoon several teams of experienced FBI counter-terrorism folks and grill him extensively.
As to torturing him, what’s the point. That’s solely used to send a message and as personally enjoyable as it would be to go after him with a metro phone book, a blowtorch and a pair of Craftsman pliers, it wouldn’t serve the greater good.
November 10, 2009 at 8:02 AM #480352Participant[quote=pri_dk]
[quote]And, I couldn’t agree more about executing him. After extensively interrogating (not torturing) him, of course.[/quote]We interrogate him to learn if there is, in fact, more to know. We don’t “interrogate” to punish or get revenge. If we are going to ignore the 8th Amendment, then why not throw out the 2nd as well? And I know you wouldn’t like that.[/quote]
Pri: Which is why I used the term “interrogate” rather than “torture”.
There are several reports linking him to various people and organizations of “interest”. However shoddy or inept his plan was, it appears that there was a plan.
I would platoon several teams of experienced FBI counter-terrorism folks and grill him extensively.
As to torturing him, what’s the point. That’s solely used to send a message and as personally enjoyable as it would be to go after him with a metro phone book, a blowtorch and a pair of Craftsman pliers, it wouldn’t serve the greater good.
November 10, 2009 at 8:02 AM #480431Participant[quote=pri_dk]
[quote]And, I couldn’t agree more about executing him. After extensively interrogating (not torturing) him, of course.[/quote]We interrogate him to learn if there is, in fact, more to know. We don’t “interrogate” to punish or get revenge. If we are going to ignore the 8th Amendment, then why not throw out the 2nd as well? And I know you wouldn’t like that.[/quote]
Pri: Which is why I used the term “interrogate” rather than “torture”.
There are several reports linking him to various people and organizations of “interest”. However shoddy or inept his plan was, it appears that there was a plan.
I would platoon several teams of experienced FBI counter-terrorism folks and grill him extensively.
As to torturing him, what’s the point. That’s solely used to send a message and as personally enjoyable as it would be to go after him with a metro phone book, a blowtorch and a pair of Craftsman pliers, it wouldn’t serve the greater good.
November 10, 2009 at 8:02 AM #480652Participant[quote=pri_dk]
[quote]And, I couldn’t agree more about executing him. After extensively interrogating (not torturing) him, of course.[/quote]We interrogate him to learn if there is, in fact, more to know. We don’t “interrogate” to punish or get revenge. If we are going to ignore the 8th Amendment, then why not throw out the 2nd as well? And I know you wouldn’t like that.[/quote]
Pri: Which is why I used the term “interrogate” rather than “torture”.
There are several reports linking him to various people and organizations of “interest”. However shoddy or inept his plan was, it appears that there was a plan.
I would platoon several teams of experienced FBI counter-terrorism folks and grill him extensively.
As to torturing him, what’s the point. That’s solely used to send a message and as personally enjoyable as it would be to go after him with a metro phone book, a blowtorch and a pair of Craftsman pliers, it wouldn’t serve the greater good.
November 10, 2009 at 8:08 AM #479833Arraya
ParticipantMilitary officials Tuesday identified the soldier accused of killing five of his comrades at a U.S. base in Iraq.
Sgt. John Russell, 44, of Sherman, Texas, is in custody at Camp Liberty in Baghdad. He is accused of opening fire at a combat stress clinic Monday, killing five U.S. soldiers.
You see, military personnel flipping out and killing other military is nothing new during times of war and these things are HUGE moral killers and turn the public against wars. Actually, there have been a myriad of instances with Iraq war vets killing other military personal.
Also, I think the suicide rate is about 120 per month and PTSD is about 35% for Iraq war vets. Not good for mental health. Of course this is all PC hooey.
What this instance is, is a tragedy of war, like the story above, spun around by propagandists to become a moral booster. As everybody can see by the replies of some posters, it worked like a charm.
There was obviously other people involved. Where did they go?
The CIA supposedly was watching this guy. Why did they fail at keeping americans safe?
He was trying to get out of the military and was denied. So what, he decided to become a muslim extremist after they would not let him out.
This guy AND apparently other people flipped out about being deployed. This is not an unusual occurrence except for the amount of bloodshed.
November 10, 2009 at 8:08 AM #480003ParticipantMilitary officials Tuesday identified the soldier accused of killing five of his comrades at a U.S. base in Iraq.
Sgt. John Russell, 44, of Sherman, Texas, is in custody at Camp Liberty in Baghdad. He is accused of opening fire at a combat stress clinic Monday, killing five U.S. soldiers.
You see, military personnel flipping out and killing other military is nothing new during times of war and these things are HUGE moral killers and turn the public against wars. Actually, there have been a myriad of instances with Iraq war vets killing other military personal.
Also, I think the suicide rate is about 120 per month and PTSD is about 35% for Iraq war vets. Not good for mental health. Of course this is all PC hooey.
What this instance is, is a tragedy of war, like the story above, spun around by propagandists to become a moral booster. As everybody can see by the replies of some posters, it worked like a charm.
There was obviously other people involved. Where did they go?
The CIA supposedly was watching this guy. Why did they fail at keeping americans safe?
He was trying to get out of the military and was denied. So what, he decided to become a muslim extremist after they would not let him out.
This guy AND apparently other people flipped out about being deployed. This is not an unusual occurrence except for the amount of bloodshed.
November 10, 2009 at 8:08 AM #480362ParticipantMilitary officials Tuesday identified the soldier accused of killing five of his comrades at a U.S. base in Iraq.
Sgt. John Russell, 44, of Sherman, Texas, is in custody at Camp Liberty in Baghdad. He is accused of opening fire at a combat stress clinic Monday, killing five U.S. soldiers.
You see, military personnel flipping out and killing other military is nothing new during times of war and these things are HUGE moral killers and turn the public against wars. Actually, there have been a myriad of instances with Iraq war vets killing other military personal.
Also, I think the suicide rate is about 120 per month and PTSD is about 35% for Iraq war vets. Not good for mental health. Of course this is all PC hooey.
What this instance is, is a tragedy of war, like the story above, spun around by propagandists to become a moral booster. As everybody can see by the replies of some posters, it worked like a charm.
There was obviously other people involved. Where did they go?
The CIA supposedly was watching this guy. Why did they fail at keeping americans safe?
He was trying to get out of the military and was denied. So what, he decided to become a muslim extremist after they would not let him out.
This guy AND apparently other people flipped out about being deployed. This is not an unusual occurrence except for the amount of bloodshed.
November 10, 2009 at 8:08 AM #480441ParticipantMilitary officials Tuesday identified the soldier accused of killing five of his comrades at a U.S. base in Iraq.
Sgt. John Russell, 44, of Sherman, Texas, is in custody at Camp Liberty in Baghdad. He is accused of opening fire at a combat stress clinic Monday, killing five U.S. soldiers.
You see, military personnel flipping out and killing other military is nothing new during times of war and these things are HUGE moral killers and turn the public against wars. Actually, there have been a myriad of instances with Iraq war vets killing other military personal.
Also, I think the suicide rate is about 120 per month and PTSD is about 35% for Iraq war vets. Not good for mental health. Of course this is all PC hooey.
What this instance is, is a tragedy of war, like the story above, spun around by propagandists to become a moral booster. As everybody can see by the replies of some posters, it worked like a charm.
There was obviously other people involved. Where did they go?
The CIA supposedly was watching this guy. Why did they fail at keeping americans safe?
He was trying to get out of the military and was denied. So what, he decided to become a muslim extremist after they would not let him out.
This guy AND apparently other people flipped out about being deployed. This is not an unusual occurrence except for the amount of bloodshed.
November 10, 2009 at 8:08 AM #480662ParticipantMilitary officials Tuesday identified the soldier accused of killing five of his comrades at a U.S. base in Iraq.
Sgt. John Russell, 44, of Sherman, Texas, is in custody at Camp Liberty in Baghdad. He is accused of opening fire at a combat stress clinic Monday, killing five U.S. soldiers.
You see, military personnel flipping out and killing other military is nothing new during times of war and these things are HUGE moral killers and turn the public against wars. Actually, there have been a myriad of instances with Iraq war vets killing other military personal.
Also, I think the suicide rate is about 120 per month and PTSD is about 35% for Iraq war vets. Not good for mental health. Of course this is all PC hooey.
What this instance is, is a tragedy of war, like the story above, spun around by propagandists to become a moral booster. As everybody can see by the replies of some posters, it worked like a charm.
There was obviously other people involved. Where did they go?
The CIA supposedly was watching this guy. Why did they fail at keeping americans safe?
He was trying to get out of the military and was denied. So what, he decided to become a muslim extremist after they would not let him out.
This guy AND apparently other people flipped out about being deployed. This is not an unusual occurrence except for the amount of bloodshed.
November 10, 2009 at 8:40 AM #479848NotCranky
ParticipantWhat we will not hear in the news is that violence begets violence.
November 10, 2009 at 8:40 AM #480018ParticipantWhat we will not hear in the news is that violence begets violence.
November 10, 2009 at 8:40 AM #480377ParticipantWhat we will not hear in the news is that violence begets violence.
November 10, 2009 at 8:40 AM #480456ParticipantWhat we will not hear in the news is that violence begets violence.
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