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January 25, 2008 at 5:29 AM #142676January 25, 2008 at 5:31 AM #142911CoronitaParticipant
I don't want to be a donkey, but how did AMD top estimates?
AMD 7.58, +0.02, +0.3%) reported a fourth-quarter net loss of $1.772 billion, or $3.06 per share, compared with a loss of $576 million, or $1.08 per share, for the same period last year.
Revenue for the period remained relatively flat at $1.77 billion — shy of the $1.79 billion expected by analysts, according to estimates from Thomson Financial.It's dropped from a high of $41 in early 2006 to $7.58 and took a 1.7 billion write off on its ATI acquisition.
The company reported late Thursday its quarterly loss declined, excluding a $1.61 billion impairment charge for overspending on its 2006 acquisition of graphics chip maker ATI Technologies Inc.
Excluding such one-time items, AMD posted a loss 17 cents per share. Analysts polled by Thomson Financial, on average, expected a loss of 36 cents a share.
….
Surely by now you know how the game is played. It's not always about how much money you actually make or lose .It's about meeting, beating, or falling short of expectations. 🙂
AMD, though in the crapper, posted a 17cents/share loss. Ah, but all the analysts were expecting much worse. Like I said, it might not make sense, but why did intel which pretty much made money, but came short of expectations drop 20+%, while amd, which lost money, rose after earnings about 13%. No expert here, but I think AMD probably has more potential to go up on rumors and momentum more so than intel at this point. Me thinks AMD pretty much flushed out a lot of bad news earlier . And i won't be surprised in theirs rumors of a takeover, buyout on the horizon. At $6/share a few days ago, it was cheap to take a chance. Highly speculative, but I figure that fund from UAE that invested in AMD at $8/share would be worse off 🙂
The impression i got from intel during the con-call was that they are hiding behind their numbers, just in case the recession does impact them- their saying they're not being hit by the recession, that the channels are good, and they expect to do just fine in Q1, yet they still didn't revise their q1 numbers.
Take a look at apple for another instance. Great company, great products, makes a hell of lot of money. Came short on analysts expectations. Stock gets wacked.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:31 AM #142672CoronitaParticipantI don't want to be a donkey, but how did AMD top estimates?
AMD 7.58, +0.02, +0.3%) reported a fourth-quarter net loss of $1.772 billion, or $3.06 per share, compared with a loss of $576 million, or $1.08 per share, for the same period last year.
Revenue for the period remained relatively flat at $1.77 billion — shy of the $1.79 billion expected by analysts, according to estimates from Thomson Financial.It's dropped from a high of $41 in early 2006 to $7.58 and took a 1.7 billion write off on its ATI acquisition.
The company reported late Thursday its quarterly loss declined, excluding a $1.61 billion impairment charge for overspending on its 2006 acquisition of graphics chip maker ATI Technologies Inc.
Excluding such one-time items, AMD posted a loss 17 cents per share. Analysts polled by Thomson Financial, on average, expected a loss of 36 cents a share.
….
Surely by now you know how the game is played. It's not always about how much money you actually make or lose .It's about meeting, beating, or falling short of expectations. 🙂
AMD, though in the crapper, posted a 17cents/share loss. Ah, but all the analysts were expecting much worse. Like I said, it might not make sense, but why did intel which pretty much made money, but came short of expectations drop 20+%, while amd, which lost money, rose after earnings about 13%. No expert here, but I think AMD probably has more potential to go up on rumors and momentum more so than intel at this point. Me thinks AMD pretty much flushed out a lot of bad news earlier . And i won't be surprised in theirs rumors of a takeover, buyout on the horizon. At $6/share a few days ago, it was cheap to take a chance. Highly speculative, but I figure that fund from UAE that invested in AMD at $8/share would be worse off 🙂
The impression i got from intel during the con-call was that they are hiding behind their numbers, just in case the recession does impact them- their saying they're not being hit by the recession, that the channels are good, and they expect to do just fine in Q1, yet they still didn't revise their q1 numbers.
Take a look at apple for another instance. Great company, great products, makes a hell of lot of money. Came short on analysts expectations. Stock gets wacked.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:31 AM #143001CoronitaParticipantI don't want to be a donkey, but how did AMD top estimates?
AMD 7.58, +0.02, +0.3%) reported a fourth-quarter net loss of $1.772 billion, or $3.06 per share, compared with a loss of $576 million, or $1.08 per share, for the same period last year.
Revenue for the period remained relatively flat at $1.77 billion — shy of the $1.79 billion expected by analysts, according to estimates from Thomson Financial.It's dropped from a high of $41 in early 2006 to $7.58 and took a 1.7 billion write off on its ATI acquisition.
The company reported late Thursday its quarterly loss declined, excluding a $1.61 billion impairment charge for overspending on its 2006 acquisition of graphics chip maker ATI Technologies Inc.
Excluding such one-time items, AMD posted a loss 17 cents per share. Analysts polled by Thomson Financial, on average, expected a loss of 36 cents a share.
….
Surely by now you know how the game is played. It's not always about how much money you actually make or lose .It's about meeting, beating, or falling short of expectations. 🙂
AMD, though in the crapper, posted a 17cents/share loss. Ah, but all the analysts were expecting much worse. Like I said, it might not make sense, but why did intel which pretty much made money, but came short of expectations drop 20+%, while amd, which lost money, rose after earnings about 13%. No expert here, but I think AMD probably has more potential to go up on rumors and momentum more so than intel at this point. Me thinks AMD pretty much flushed out a lot of bad news earlier . And i won't be surprised in theirs rumors of a takeover, buyout on the horizon. At $6/share a few days ago, it was cheap to take a chance. Highly speculative, but I figure that fund from UAE that invested in AMD at $8/share would be worse off 🙂
The impression i got from intel during the con-call was that they are hiding behind their numbers, just in case the recession does impact them- their saying they're not being hit by the recession, that the channels are good, and they expect to do just fine in Q1, yet they still didn't revise their q1 numbers.
Take a look at apple for another instance. Great company, great products, makes a hell of lot of money. Came short on analysts expectations. Stock gets wacked.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:31 AM #142934CoronitaParticipantI don't want to be a donkey, but how did AMD top estimates?
AMD 7.58, +0.02, +0.3%) reported a fourth-quarter net loss of $1.772 billion, or $3.06 per share, compared with a loss of $576 million, or $1.08 per share, for the same period last year.
Revenue for the period remained relatively flat at $1.77 billion — shy of the $1.79 billion expected by analysts, according to estimates from Thomson Financial.It's dropped from a high of $41 in early 2006 to $7.58 and took a 1.7 billion write off on its ATI acquisition.
The company reported late Thursday its quarterly loss declined, excluding a $1.61 billion impairment charge for overspending on its 2006 acquisition of graphics chip maker ATI Technologies Inc.
Excluding such one-time items, AMD posted a loss 17 cents per share. Analysts polled by Thomson Financial, on average, expected a loss of 36 cents a share.
….
Surely by now you know how the game is played. It's not always about how much money you actually make or lose .It's about meeting, beating, or falling short of expectations. 🙂
AMD, though in the crapper, posted a 17cents/share loss. Ah, but all the analysts were expecting much worse. Like I said, it might not make sense, but why did intel which pretty much made money, but came short of expectations drop 20+%, while amd, which lost money, rose after earnings about 13%. No expert here, but I think AMD probably has more potential to go up on rumors and momentum more so than intel at this point. Me thinks AMD pretty much flushed out a lot of bad news earlier . And i won't be surprised in theirs rumors of a takeover, buyout on the horizon. At $6/share a few days ago, it was cheap to take a chance. Highly speculative, but I figure that fund from UAE that invested in AMD at $8/share would be worse off 🙂
The impression i got from intel during the con-call was that they are hiding behind their numbers, just in case the recession does impact them- their saying they're not being hit by the recession, that the channels are good, and they expect to do just fine in Q1, yet they still didn't revise their q1 numbers.
Take a look at apple for another instance. Great company, great products, makes a hell of lot of money. Came short on analysts expectations. Stock gets wacked.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:31 AM #142902CoronitaParticipantI don't want to be a donkey, but how did AMD top estimates?
AMD 7.58, +0.02, +0.3%) reported a fourth-quarter net loss of $1.772 billion, or $3.06 per share, compared with a loss of $576 million, or $1.08 per share, for the same period last year.
Revenue for the period remained relatively flat at $1.77 billion — shy of the $1.79 billion expected by analysts, according to estimates from Thomson Financial.It's dropped from a high of $41 in early 2006 to $7.58 and took a 1.7 billion write off on its ATI acquisition.
The company reported late Thursday its quarterly loss declined, excluding a $1.61 billion impairment charge for overspending on its 2006 acquisition of graphics chip maker ATI Technologies Inc.
Excluding such one-time items, AMD posted a loss 17 cents per share. Analysts polled by Thomson Financial, on average, expected a loss of 36 cents a share.
….
Surely by now you know how the game is played. It's not always about how much money you actually make or lose .It's about meeting, beating, or falling short of expectations. 🙂
AMD, though in the crapper, posted a 17cents/share loss. Ah, but all the analysts were expecting much worse. Like I said, it might not make sense, but why did intel which pretty much made money, but came short of expectations drop 20+%, while amd, which lost money, rose after earnings about 13%. No expert here, but I think AMD probably has more potential to go up on rumors and momentum more so than intel at this point. Me thinks AMD pretty much flushed out a lot of bad news earlier . And i won't be surprised in theirs rumors of a takeover, buyout on the horizon. At $6/share a few days ago, it was cheap to take a chance. Highly speculative, but I figure that fund from UAE that invested in AMD at $8/share would be worse off 🙂
The impression i got from intel during the con-call was that they are hiding behind their numbers, just in case the recession does impact them- their saying they're not being hit by the recession, that the channels are good, and they expect to do just fine in Q1, yet they still didn't revise their q1 numbers.
Take a look at apple for another instance. Great company, great products, makes a hell of lot of money. Came short on analysts expectations. Stock gets wacked.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:42 AM #142921CoronitaParticipantYou know FLU you are posting way to optimistic data for this website. If you don't watch out the piggington men in black are gonna have to take you out of the picture.
SD Realtor
Dont worry. I have a pretty think fat skin…And i don't mind being corrected when I'm wrong. I can always resort to trash talking too.
Personally, I hope it's payback time. (Revenge of the geeks II). Prior to the dot coms, common people didn't wanted to be in tech. During the dot coms, non-techs got into tech for the to make a $. They got flushed out when the dot bomb came.
Then a lot of them probably became real estate "gurus", only to yet again be flushed out this time around.
I have nothing against RE agents/brokers/appraisers/loan officers that are in the business because that's really their thing.
It's all the fair-weather fans/quick buck job migrants that I despise. Long term, it's probably better for the more established agents/brokers/appraisers/loan officers who want to stay in this business that there is this flushing out of all the wannabes…Hey, at least you can't get outsourced to India or China ….That's already a plus….(Punchline- there are some jobs even India/China doesn't want…Just kidding folks…)
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:42 AM #143012CoronitaParticipantYou know FLU you are posting way to optimistic data for this website. If you don't watch out the piggington men in black are gonna have to take you out of the picture.
SD Realtor
Dont worry. I have a pretty think fat skin…And i don't mind being corrected when I'm wrong. I can always resort to trash talking too.
Personally, I hope it's payback time. (Revenge of the geeks II). Prior to the dot coms, common people didn't wanted to be in tech. During the dot coms, non-techs got into tech for the to make a $. They got flushed out when the dot bomb came.
Then a lot of them probably became real estate "gurus", only to yet again be flushed out this time around.
I have nothing against RE agents/brokers/appraisers/loan officers that are in the business because that's really their thing.
It's all the fair-weather fans/quick buck job migrants that I despise. Long term, it's probably better for the more established agents/brokers/appraisers/loan officers who want to stay in this business that there is this flushing out of all the wannabes…Hey, at least you can't get outsourced to India or China ….That's already a plus….(Punchline- there are some jobs even India/China doesn't want…Just kidding folks…)
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:42 AM #142912CoronitaParticipantYou know FLU you are posting way to optimistic data for this website. If you don't watch out the piggington men in black are gonna have to take you out of the picture.
SD Realtor
Dont worry. I have a pretty think fat skin…And i don't mind being corrected when I'm wrong. I can always resort to trash talking too.
Personally, I hope it's payback time. (Revenge of the geeks II). Prior to the dot coms, common people didn't wanted to be in tech. During the dot coms, non-techs got into tech for the to make a $. They got flushed out when the dot bomb came.
Then a lot of them probably became real estate "gurus", only to yet again be flushed out this time around.
I have nothing against RE agents/brokers/appraisers/loan officers that are in the business because that's really their thing.
It's all the fair-weather fans/quick buck job migrants that I despise. Long term, it's probably better for the more established agents/brokers/appraisers/loan officers who want to stay in this business that there is this flushing out of all the wannabes…Hey, at least you can't get outsourced to India or China ….That's already a plus….(Punchline- there are some jobs even India/China doesn't want…Just kidding folks…)
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:42 AM #142681CoronitaParticipantYou know FLU you are posting way to optimistic data for this website. If you don't watch out the piggington men in black are gonna have to take you out of the picture.
SD Realtor
Dont worry. I have a pretty think fat skin…And i don't mind being corrected when I'm wrong. I can always resort to trash talking too.
Personally, I hope it's payback time. (Revenge of the geeks II). Prior to the dot coms, common people didn't wanted to be in tech. During the dot coms, non-techs got into tech for the to make a $. They got flushed out when the dot bomb came.
Then a lot of them probably became real estate "gurus", only to yet again be flushed out this time around.
I have nothing against RE agents/brokers/appraisers/loan officers that are in the business because that's really their thing.
It's all the fair-weather fans/quick buck job migrants that I despise. Long term, it's probably better for the more established agents/brokers/appraisers/loan officers who want to stay in this business that there is this flushing out of all the wannabes…Hey, at least you can't get outsourced to India or China ….That's already a plus….(Punchline- there are some jobs even India/China doesn't want…Just kidding folks…)
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:42 AM #142946CoronitaParticipantYou know FLU you are posting way to optimistic data for this website. If you don't watch out the piggington men in black are gonna have to take you out of the picture.
SD Realtor
Dont worry. I have a pretty think fat skin…And i don't mind being corrected when I'm wrong. I can always resort to trash talking too.
Personally, I hope it's payback time. (Revenge of the geeks II). Prior to the dot coms, common people didn't wanted to be in tech. During the dot coms, non-techs got into tech for the to make a $. They got flushed out when the dot bomb came.
Then a lot of them probably became real estate "gurus", only to yet again be flushed out this time around.
I have nothing against RE agents/brokers/appraisers/loan officers that are in the business because that's really their thing.
It's all the fair-weather fans/quick buck job migrants that I despise. Long term, it's probably better for the more established agents/brokers/appraisers/loan officers who want to stay in this business that there is this flushing out of all the wannabes…Hey, at least you can't get outsourced to India or China ….That's already a plus….(Punchline- there are some jobs even India/China doesn't want…Just kidding folks…)
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:47 AM #143016CoronitaParticipantApple lovers are going to hate me for posting this. But the article is amusing. Take it with a grain of salt, because it comes from Fortune, which is known more for selling ads then giving sound financial advice.
The case of the 1.4 million missing iPhones
The talk among Apple (AAPL) watchers today is Toni Sacconaghi’s dogged pursuit of the 4 million iPhones Steve Jobs claimed to have sold as of Jan. 15, the date of his Macworld keynote speech.
AT&T (T), the iPhone’s exclusive U.S. carrier, reported yesterday that it had activated “just at or just slightly under 2 million” iPhones. That’s quite a discrepancy.
Sacconaghi, Sanford Bernstein’s Apple specialist, did the math and concluded in a report to clients that there are roughly 1.4 million iPhones “missing in action,” either unlocked or sitting in inventory. Assuming that 20% of those iPhones were purchased to be unlocked (a generous assumption given that a jailbreak for the latest iPhone firmware was only released yesterday), he believes that there are at least 650,000 gathering dust somewhere — in warehouses, perhaps, or in closets, as unwanted Christmas presents waiting to be returned.
Here’s how he gets that number:
- 3.75 million iPhones sold as of Dec. 29 (per Apple’s Q1 report)
- minus 2 million iPhones activated through AT&T as of Dec. 31 (per AT&T)
- minus 350,000 iPhones sold in Europe via O2, T-Mobile and Orange
- minus 750,000 iPhones purchased to be unlocked
- equals 650,000 unaccounted for.
Sacconaghi concludes:
This is negative in two ways: (1) it indicates end-user demand for iPhone is lower than many investors may think based on Apple’s sales figure; and (2) it points to slower iPhone sales in the current quarter, since much of this inventory is likely to be drawn down.
Of course, compared to other Apple analysts, Sacconaghi is something of a bear. One day before the Q1 earnings report and the subsequent run on Apple shares, he went out on a limb and predicted that the company would sell only 7 million iPhones in 2008. That’s considerably less than the 10 million target Steve Jobs set — a goal COO Tim Cook said on Tuesday he remained “very confident” they would hit.
Most Apple watchers shared Cook’s confidence, given the 4 million number Jobs had trotted out at Macworld. Today they’re singing a different tune.
“Apple might have a demand problem,” writes Tom Krazit at CNET.
Russell Shaw at ZDNet says the iPhone is at a “crossing the chasm” moment, stuck between early adopters and the mainsteam, and predicts that to survive its price will have to come down to $299 by the end of May at the latest.
Ewan McLeod at the U.K.’s SMS Text News waxes positively elegiac in a post entitled “The Apple iPhone will only ever be a bit player”:
This may be premature. A lot could change in the next 50 weeks. New apps. A 16 GB iPhone. A 3G model. New price points. New markets in Canada, Thailand, and maybe even China.
But one thing is certain: having promised and repromised to sell 10 million iPhones in 2008, there will be hell to pay in 2009 if Apple falls even a little bit short.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:47 AM #142925CoronitaParticipantApple lovers are going to hate me for posting this. But the article is amusing. Take it with a grain of salt, because it comes from Fortune, which is known more for selling ads then giving sound financial advice.
The case of the 1.4 million missing iPhones
The talk among Apple (AAPL) watchers today is Toni Sacconaghi’s dogged pursuit of the 4 million iPhones Steve Jobs claimed to have sold as of Jan. 15, the date of his Macworld keynote speech.
AT&T (T), the iPhone’s exclusive U.S. carrier, reported yesterday that it had activated “just at or just slightly under 2 million” iPhones. That’s quite a discrepancy.
Sacconaghi, Sanford Bernstein’s Apple specialist, did the math and concluded in a report to clients that there are roughly 1.4 million iPhones “missing in action,” either unlocked or sitting in inventory. Assuming that 20% of those iPhones were purchased to be unlocked (a generous assumption given that a jailbreak for the latest iPhone firmware was only released yesterday), he believes that there are at least 650,000 gathering dust somewhere — in warehouses, perhaps, or in closets, as unwanted Christmas presents waiting to be returned.
Here’s how he gets that number:
- 3.75 million iPhones sold as of Dec. 29 (per Apple’s Q1 report)
- minus 2 million iPhones activated through AT&T as of Dec. 31 (per AT&T)
- minus 350,000 iPhones sold in Europe via O2, T-Mobile and Orange
- minus 750,000 iPhones purchased to be unlocked
- equals 650,000 unaccounted for.
Sacconaghi concludes:
This is negative in two ways: (1) it indicates end-user demand for iPhone is lower than many investors may think based on Apple’s sales figure; and (2) it points to slower iPhone sales in the current quarter, since much of this inventory is likely to be drawn down.
Of course, compared to other Apple analysts, Sacconaghi is something of a bear. One day before the Q1 earnings report and the subsequent run on Apple shares, he went out on a limb and predicted that the company would sell only 7 million iPhones in 2008. That’s considerably less than the 10 million target Steve Jobs set — a goal COO Tim Cook said on Tuesday he remained “very confident” they would hit.
Most Apple watchers shared Cook’s confidence, given the 4 million number Jobs had trotted out at Macworld. Today they’re singing a different tune.
“Apple might have a demand problem,” writes Tom Krazit at CNET.
Russell Shaw at ZDNet says the iPhone is at a “crossing the chasm” moment, stuck between early adopters and the mainsteam, and predicts that to survive its price will have to come down to $299 by the end of May at the latest.
Ewan McLeod at the U.K.’s SMS Text News waxes positively elegiac in a post entitled “The Apple iPhone will only ever be a bit player”:
This may be premature. A lot could change in the next 50 weeks. New apps. A 16 GB iPhone. A 3G model. New price points. New markets in Canada, Thailand, and maybe even China.
But one thing is certain: having promised and repromised to sell 10 million iPhones in 2008, there will be hell to pay in 2009 if Apple falls even a little bit short.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:47 AM #142915CoronitaParticipantApple lovers are going to hate me for posting this. But the article is amusing. Take it with a grain of salt, because it comes from Fortune, which is known more for selling ads then giving sound financial advice.
The case of the 1.4 million missing iPhones
The talk among Apple (AAPL) watchers today is Toni Sacconaghi’s dogged pursuit of the 4 million iPhones Steve Jobs claimed to have sold as of Jan. 15, the date of his Macworld keynote speech.
AT&T (T), the iPhone’s exclusive U.S. carrier, reported yesterday that it had activated “just at or just slightly under 2 million” iPhones. That’s quite a discrepancy.
Sacconaghi, Sanford Bernstein’s Apple specialist, did the math and concluded in a report to clients that there are roughly 1.4 million iPhones “missing in action,” either unlocked or sitting in inventory. Assuming that 20% of those iPhones were purchased to be unlocked (a generous assumption given that a jailbreak for the latest iPhone firmware was only released yesterday), he believes that there are at least 650,000 gathering dust somewhere — in warehouses, perhaps, or in closets, as unwanted Christmas presents waiting to be returned.
Here’s how he gets that number:
- 3.75 million iPhones sold as of Dec. 29 (per Apple’s Q1 report)
- minus 2 million iPhones activated through AT&T as of Dec. 31 (per AT&T)
- minus 350,000 iPhones sold in Europe via O2, T-Mobile and Orange
- minus 750,000 iPhones purchased to be unlocked
- equals 650,000 unaccounted for.
Sacconaghi concludes:
This is negative in two ways: (1) it indicates end-user demand for iPhone is lower than many investors may think based on Apple’s sales figure; and (2) it points to slower iPhone sales in the current quarter, since much of this inventory is likely to be drawn down.
Of course, compared to other Apple analysts, Sacconaghi is something of a bear. One day before the Q1 earnings report and the subsequent run on Apple shares, he went out on a limb and predicted that the company would sell only 7 million iPhones in 2008. That’s considerably less than the 10 million target Steve Jobs set — a goal COO Tim Cook said on Tuesday he remained “very confident” they would hit.
Most Apple watchers shared Cook’s confidence, given the 4 million number Jobs had trotted out at Macworld. Today they’re singing a different tune.
“Apple might have a demand problem,” writes Tom Krazit at CNET.
Russell Shaw at ZDNet says the iPhone is at a “crossing the chasm” moment, stuck between early adopters and the mainsteam, and predicts that to survive its price will have to come down to $299 by the end of May at the latest.
Ewan McLeod at the U.K.’s SMS Text News waxes positively elegiac in a post entitled “The Apple iPhone will only ever be a bit player”:
This may be premature. A lot could change in the next 50 weeks. New apps. A 16 GB iPhone. A 3G model. New price points. New markets in Canada, Thailand, and maybe even China.
But one thing is certain: having promised and repromised to sell 10 million iPhones in 2008, there will be hell to pay in 2009 if Apple falls even a little bit short.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 25, 2008 at 5:47 AM #142951CoronitaParticipantApple lovers are going to hate me for posting this. But the article is amusing. Take it with a grain of salt, because it comes from Fortune, which is known more for selling ads then giving sound financial advice.
The case of the 1.4 million missing iPhones
The talk among Apple (AAPL) watchers today is Toni Sacconaghi’s dogged pursuit of the 4 million iPhones Steve Jobs claimed to have sold as of Jan. 15, the date of his Macworld keynote speech.
AT&T (T), the iPhone’s exclusive U.S. carrier, reported yesterday that it had activated “just at or just slightly under 2 million” iPhones. That’s quite a discrepancy.
Sacconaghi, Sanford Bernstein’s Apple specialist, did the math and concluded in a report to clients that there are roughly 1.4 million iPhones “missing in action,” either unlocked or sitting in inventory. Assuming that 20% of those iPhones were purchased to be unlocked (a generous assumption given that a jailbreak for the latest iPhone firmware was only released yesterday), he believes that there are at least 650,000 gathering dust somewhere — in warehouses, perhaps, or in closets, as unwanted Christmas presents waiting to be returned.
Here’s how he gets that number:
- 3.75 million iPhones sold as of Dec. 29 (per Apple’s Q1 report)
- minus 2 million iPhones activated through AT&T as of Dec. 31 (per AT&T)
- minus 350,000 iPhones sold in Europe via O2, T-Mobile and Orange
- minus 750,000 iPhones purchased to be unlocked
- equals 650,000 unaccounted for.
Sacconaghi concludes:
This is negative in two ways: (1) it indicates end-user demand for iPhone is lower than many investors may think based on Apple’s sales figure; and (2) it points to slower iPhone sales in the current quarter, since much of this inventory is likely to be drawn down.
Of course, compared to other Apple analysts, Sacconaghi is something of a bear. One day before the Q1 earnings report and the subsequent run on Apple shares, he went out on a limb and predicted that the company would sell only 7 million iPhones in 2008. That’s considerably less than the 10 million target Steve Jobs set — a goal COO Tim Cook said on Tuesday he remained “very confident” they would hit.
Most Apple watchers shared Cook’s confidence, given the 4 million number Jobs had trotted out at Macworld. Today they’re singing a different tune.
“Apple might have a demand problem,” writes Tom Krazit at CNET.
Russell Shaw at ZDNet says the iPhone is at a “crossing the chasm” moment, stuck between early adopters and the mainsteam, and predicts that to survive its price will have to come down to $299 by the end of May at the latest.
Ewan McLeod at the U.K.’s SMS Text News waxes positively elegiac in a post entitled “The Apple iPhone will only ever be a bit player”:
This may be premature. A lot could change in the next 50 weeks. New apps. A 16 GB iPhone. A 3G model. New price points. New markets in Canada, Thailand, and maybe even China.
But one thing is certain: having promised and repromised to sell 10 million iPhones in 2008, there will be hell to pay in 2009 if Apple falls even a little bit short.
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—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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