TARP now estimated to cost $356 billion

[Coronita]

I responded earlier breezie…But…On second thought. I’ll take the higher road today and not dilute this thread.

As such… deleted…. Move along. DWCAP, thanks for keeping me in check with your thread below.

[TheBreeze]

AN convinced me to vote for Bob Barr due to the fact that if a third-party receives some percentage (5%?) of the vote in California they are eligible for some kind of state funding the next go around. There’s a thread around here somewhere where I responded to AN and said I was going to vote for Bob Barr for that reason. It’s not like Obama needed my vote to carry California.

I was genuinely glad when Obama won. Now, I’m starting to think McCain would have been better for two reasons:
(1) As Flu pointed out above, Obama is in the same party as the douches who conrol Congress; and
(2) Obama is TOO LIKABLE

The same party thing is fairly obvious. Divided government is best that way less stupid shit gets passed. However, the TOO LIKABLE thing is giving the banksters perfect cover to loot. I read an article the other day that said Obama has an 88% approval rating among Democrats. He is doing the exact same shit as Bush in regards to the economy, but 88% of Democrats approve. If McCain had won and his treasury had tried to pull this crap there would have been a massive uprising. I think I see now why Partypup believes that the establishment hand-picked Obama to win. He is the perfect cover guy that lets the financial oligarchy get away with financial murder.

By the way, I never characterized Bear Stearns as either an investment bank or a commercial bank. I just said that the same thing that happened to Bear Stearns could happen to any bank (short-term funding could dry up and the bank wouldn’t be able to meet their obligations).

Davelj then went off with some kind of righteous indignation and then said this could never happen to a commercial bank due to their deposit base. I then asked for someone to tell me how much short-term debt Citigroup had, but of course, none of Three Stooges (davelj, Allan, or FLU) has any idea. They’d rather insinuate that I’m an idiot as opposed to acknowledging that commercial banks would likely be in the same bind as the investment banks without all these government guarantees.

By the way, according to the 10-K, Citi has $774 billion in deposits, $205 billion in repurchase agreements, $486 billion in short-term borrowings and long-term debt, $167 in Trading account liabilities and $164 in ‘other’ liabilities. So they have a little over $1 trillion in non-deposit liabilities. Their market cap is $15 billion. But yeah, I’m sure Citigroup could keep trucking right along if their creditors refused to roll over the $1 trillion in non-deposit liabilities.

By the way, it’s quite a coincidence that those who most stand to benefit by the bailouts (Davelj – banker/prick; FLU – family members who are criminal investment bankers; Allan – insurance guy) are in favor of them.

[TheBreeze]

AN convinced me to vote for Bob Barr due to the fact that if a third-party receives some percentage (5%?) of the vote in California they are eligible for some kind of state funding the next go around. There’s a thread around here somewhere where I responded to AN and said I was going to vote for Bob Barr for that reason. It’s not like Obama needed my vote to carry California.

I was genuinely glad when Obama won. Now, I’m starting to think McCain would have been better for two reasons:
(1) As Flu pointed out above, Obama is in the same party as the douches who conrol Congress; and
(2) Obama is TOO LIKABLE

The same party thing is fairly obvious. Divided government is best that way less stupid shit gets passed. However, the TOO LIKABLE thing is giving the banksters perfect cover to loot. I read an article the other day that said Obama has an 88% approval rating among Democrats. He is doing the exact same shit as Bush in regards to the economy, but 88% of Democrats approve. If McCain had won and his treasury had tried to pull this crap there would have been a massive uprising. I think I see now why Partypup believes that the establishment hand-picked Obama to win. He is the perfect cover guy that lets the financial oligarchy get away with financial murder.

By the way, I never characterized Bear Stearns as either an investment bank or a commercial bank. I just said that the same thing that happened to Bear Stearns could happen to any bank (short-term funding could dry up and the bank wouldn’t be able to meet their obligations).

Davelj then went off with some kind of righteous indignation and then said this could never happen to a commercial bank due to their deposit base. I then asked for someone to tell me how much short-term debt Citigroup had, but of course, none of Three Stooges (davelj, Allan, or FLU) has any idea. They’d rather insinuate that I’m an idiot as opposed to acknowledging that commercial banks would likely be in the same bind as the investment banks without all these government guarantees.

By the way, according to the 10-K, Citi has $774 billion in deposits, $205 billion in repurchase agreements, $486 billion in short-term borrowings and long-term debt, $167 in Trading account liabilities and $164 in ‘other’ liabilities. So they have a little over $1 trillion in non-deposit liabilities. Their market cap is $15 billion. But yeah, I’m sure Citigroup could keep trucking right along if their creditors refused to roll over the $1 trillion in non-deposit liabilities.

By the way, it’s quite a coincidence that those who most stand to benefit by the bailouts (Davelj – banker/prick; FLU – family members who are criminal investment bankers; Allan – insurance guy) are in favor of them.

[TheBreeze]

AN convinced me to vote for Bob Barr due to the fact that if a third-party receives some percentage (5%?) of the vote in California they are eligible for some kind of state funding the next go around. There’s a thread around here somewhere where I responded to AN and said I was going to vote for Bob Barr for that reason. It’s not like Obama needed my vote to carry California.

I was genuinely glad when Obama won. Now, I’m starting to think McCain would have been better for two reasons:
(1) As Flu pointed out above, Obama is in the same party as the douches who conrol Congress; and
(2) Obama is TOO LIKABLE

The same party thing is fairly obvious. Divided government is best that way less stupid shit gets passed. However, the TOO LIKABLE thing is giving the banksters perfect cover to loot. I read an article the other day that said Obama has an 88% approval rating among Democrats. He is doing the exact same shit as Bush in regards to the economy, but 88% of Democrats approve. If McCain had won and his treasury had tried to pull this crap there would have been a massive uprising. I think I see now why Partypup believes that the establishment hand-picked Obama to win. He is the perfect cover guy that lets the financial oligarchy get away with financial murder.

By the way, I never characterized Bear Stearns as either an investment bank or a commercial bank. I just said that the same thing that happened to Bear Stearns could happen to any bank (short-term funding could dry up and the bank wouldn’t be able to meet their obligations).

Davelj then went off with some kind of righteous indignation and then said this could never happen to a commercial bank due to their deposit base. I then asked for someone to tell me how much short-term debt Citigroup had, but of course, none of Three Stooges (davelj, Allan, or FLU) has any idea. They’d rather insinuate that I’m an idiot as opposed to acknowledging that commercial banks would likely be in the same bind as the investment banks without all these government guarantees.

By the way, according to the 10-K, Citi has $774 billion in deposits, $205 billion in repurchase agreements, $486 billion in short-term borrowings and long-term debt, $167 in Trading account liabilities and $164 in ‘other’ liabilities. So they have a little over $1 trillion in non-deposit liabilities. Their market cap is $15 billion. But yeah, I’m sure Citigroup could keep trucking right along if their creditors refused to roll over the $1 trillion in non-deposit liabilities.

By the way, it’s quite a coincidence that those who most stand to benefit by the bailouts (Davelj – banker/prick; FLU – family members who are criminal investment bankers; Allan – insurance guy) are in favor of them.

[TheBreeze]

AN convinced me to vote for Bob Barr due to the fact that if a third-party receives some percentage (5%?) of the vote in California they are eligible for some kind of state funding the next go around. There’s a thread around here somewhere where I responded to AN and said I was going to vote for Bob Barr for that reason. It’s not like Obama needed my vote to carry California.

I was genuinely glad when Obama won. Now, I’m starting to think McCain would have been better for two reasons:
(1) As Flu pointed out above, Obama is in the same party as the douches who conrol Congress; and
(2) Obama is TOO LIKABLE

The same party thing is fairly obvious. Divided government is best that way less stupid shit gets passed. However, the TOO LIKABLE thing is giving the banksters perfect cover to loot. I read an article the other day that said Obama has an 88% approval rating among Democrats. He is doing the exact same shit as Bush in regards to the economy, but 88% of Democrats approve. If McCain had won and his treasury had tried to pull this crap there would have been a massive uprising. I think I see now why Partypup believes that the establishment hand-picked Obama to win. He is the perfect cover guy that lets the financial oligarchy get away with financial murder.

By the way, I never characterized Bear Stearns as either an investment bank or a commercial bank. I just said that the same thing that happened to Bear Stearns could happen to any bank (short-term funding could dry up and the bank wouldn’t be able to meet their obligations).

Davelj then went off with some kind of righteous indignation and then said this could never happen to a commercial bank due to their deposit base. I then asked for someone to tell me how much short-term debt Citigroup had, but of course, none of Three Stooges (davelj, Allan, or FLU) has any idea. They’d rather insinuate that I’m an idiot as opposed to acknowledging that commercial banks would likely be in the same bind as the investment banks without all these government guarantees.

By the way, according to the 10-K, Citi has $774 billion in deposits, $205 billion in repurchase agreements, $486 billion in short-term borrowings and long-term debt, $167 in Trading account liabilities and $164 in ‘other’ liabilities. So they have a little over $1 trillion in non-deposit liabilities. Their market cap is $15 billion. But yeah, I’m sure Citigroup could keep trucking right along if their creditors refused to roll over the $1 trillion in non-deposit liabilities.

By the way, it’s quite a coincidence that those who most stand to benefit by the bailouts (Davelj – banker/prick; FLU – family members who are criminal investment bankers; Allan – insurance guy) are in favor of them.

[TheBreeze]

AN convinced me to vote for Bob Barr due to the fact that if a third-party receives some percentage (5%?) of the vote in California they are eligible for some kind of state funding the next go around. There’s a thread around here somewhere where I responded to AN and said I was going to vote for Bob Barr for that reason. It’s not like Obama needed my vote to carry California.

I was genuinely glad when Obama won. Now, I’m starting to think McCain would have been better for two reasons:
(1) As Flu pointed out above, Obama is in the same party as the douches who conrol Congress; and
(2) Obama is TOO LIKABLE

The same party thing is fairly obvious. Divided government is best that way less stupid shit gets passed. However, the TOO LIKABLE thing is giving the banksters perfect cover to loot. I read an article the other day that said Obama has an 88% approval rating among Democrats. He is doing the exact same shit as Bush in regards to the economy, but 88% of Democrats approve. If McCain had won and his treasury had tried to pull this crap there would have been a massive uprising. I think I see now why Partypup believes that the establishment hand-picked Obama to win. He is the perfect cover guy that lets the financial oligarchy get away with financial murder.

By the way, I never characterized Bear Stearns as either an investment bank or a commercial bank. I just said that the same thing that happened to Bear Stearns could happen to any bank (short-term funding could dry up and the bank wouldn’t be able to meet their obligations).

Davelj then went off with some kind of righteous indignation and then said this could never happen to a commercial bank due to their deposit base. I then asked for someone to tell me how much short-term debt Citigroup had, but of course, none of Three Stooges (davelj, Allan, or FLU) has any idea. They’d rather insinuate that I’m an idiot as opposed to acknowledging that commercial banks would likely be in the same bind as the investment banks without all these government guarantees.

By the way, according to the 10-K, Citi has $774 billion in deposits, $205 billion in repurchase agreements, $486 billion in short-term borrowings and long-term debt, $167 in Trading account liabilities and $164 in ‘other’ liabilities. So they have a little over $1 trillion in non-deposit liabilities. Their market cap is $15 billion. But yeah, I’m sure Citigroup could keep trucking right along if their creditors refused to roll over the $1 trillion in non-deposit liabilities.

By the way, it’s quite a coincidence that those who most stand to benefit by the bailouts (Davelj – banker/prick; FLU – family members who are criminal investment bankers; Allan – insurance guy) are in favor of them.

[Coronita]

Whoa, breezie. you’re going off the deep end here. I don’t know where all your rage comes from, but get help. You have a habit of generalizing one bad seed as everyone in that profession is a bad seed. Not all i-bankers are alike. And for that matter, if it weren’t for ibankers, you probably wouldn’t be working as a salesman at your company, considering it wouldn’t have financing. I don’t know where you get off with your generalizations of all rich people are evil either. Sorry, if you were a screwup in your career, don’t blame everyone else for your deficiencies. I could generalize and say the same thing about your line of work too… that all salesman are slimy and nothing but liars who will say and do anything to close a deal. But we won’t go there.

Get help.

[Coronita]

Whoa, breezie. you’re going off the deep end here. I don’t know where all your rage comes from, but get help. You have a habit of generalizing one bad seed as everyone in that profession is a bad seed. Not all i-bankers are alike. And for that matter, if it weren’t for ibankers, you probably wouldn’t be working as a salesman at your company, considering it wouldn’t have financing. I don’t know where you get off with your generalizations of all rich people are evil either. Sorry, if you were a screwup in your career, don’t blame everyone else for your deficiencies. I could generalize and say the same thing about your line of work too… that all salesman are slimy and nothing but liars who will say and do anything to close a deal. But we won’t go there.

Get help.

[Coronita]

Whoa, breezie. you’re going off the deep end here. I don’t know where all your rage comes from, but get help. You have a habit of generalizing one bad seed as everyone in that profession is a bad seed. Not all i-bankers are alike. And for that matter, if it weren’t for ibankers, you probably wouldn’t be working as a salesman at your company, considering it wouldn’t have financing. I don’t know where you get off with your generalizations of all rich people are evil either. Sorry, if you were a screwup in your career, don’t blame everyone else for your deficiencies. I could generalize and say the same thing about your line of work too… that all salesman are slimy and nothing but liars who will say and do anything to close a deal. But we won’t go there.

Get help.

[Coronita]

Whoa, breezie. you’re going off the deep end here. I don’t know where all your rage comes from, but get help. You have a habit of generalizing one bad seed as everyone in that profession is a bad seed. Not all i-bankers are alike. And for that matter, if it weren’t for ibankers, you probably wouldn’t be working as a salesman at your company, considering it wouldn’t have financing. I don’t know where you get off with your generalizations of all rich people are evil either. Sorry, if you were a screwup in your career, don’t blame everyone else for your deficiencies. I could generalize and say the same thing about your line of work too… that all salesman are slimy and nothing but liars who will say and do anything to close a deal. But we won’t go there.

Get help.

[Coronita]

Whoa, breezie. you’re going off the deep end here. I don’t know where all your rage comes from, but get help. You have a habit of generalizing one bad seed as everyone in that profession is a bad seed. Not all i-bankers are alike. And for that matter, if it weren’t for ibankers, you probably wouldn’t be working as a salesman at your company, considering it wouldn’t have financing. I don’t know where you get off with your generalizations of all rich people are evil either. Sorry, if you were a screwup in your career, don’t blame everyone else for your deficiencies. I could generalize and say the same thing about your line of work too… that all salesman are slimy and nothing but liars who will say and do anything to close a deal. But we won’t go there.

Get help.

[davelj]

[quote=TheBreeze]
By the way, it’s quite a coincidence that those who most stand to benefit by the bailouts (Davelj – banker/prick; FLU – family members who are criminal investment bankers; Allan – insurance guy) are in favor of them.[/quote]

Please explain to me – and please be specific – how I would benefit from the bailouts? Seeing as I don’t have any investments in any parts of the capital structures of any bank that is receiving any government assistance (outside of generic FDIC insurance), I’m quite curious to find out. This should be a fascinating answer.

Signed,
Banker/Prick

[davelj]

[quote=TheBreeze]
By the way, it’s quite a coincidence that those who most stand to benefit by the bailouts (Davelj – banker/prick; FLU – family members who are criminal investment bankers; Allan – insurance guy) are in favor of them.[/quote]

Please explain to me – and please be specific – how I would benefit from the bailouts? Seeing as I don’t have any investments in any parts of the capital structures of any bank that is receiving any government assistance (outside of generic FDIC insurance), I’m quite curious to find out. This should be a fascinating answer.

Signed,
Banker/Prick

[davelj]

[quote=TheBreeze]
By the way, it’s quite a coincidence that those who most stand to benefit by the bailouts (Davelj – banker/prick; FLU – family members who are criminal investment bankers; Allan – insurance guy) are in favor of them.[/quote]

Please explain to me – and please be specific – how I would benefit from the bailouts? Seeing as I don’t have any investments in any parts of the capital structures of any bank that is receiving any government assistance (outside of generic FDIC insurance), I’m quite curious to find out. This should be a fascinating answer.

Signed,
Banker/Prick

[davelj]

[quote=TheBreeze]
By the way, it’s quite a coincidence that those who most stand to benefit by the bailouts (Davelj – banker/prick; FLU – family members who are criminal investment bankers; Allan – insurance guy) are in favor of them.[/quote]

Please explain to me – and please be specific – how I would benefit from the bailouts? Seeing as I don’t have any investments in any parts of the capital structures of any bank that is receiving any government assistance (outside of generic FDIC insurance), I’m quite curious to find out. This should be a fascinating answer.

Signed,
Banker/Prick

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