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February 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM #511628February 8, 2010 at 4:12 PM #510765Allan from FallbrookParticipant
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Uco: That Benelli is a thing of beauty and the AA12 looks like fun, but I’m fundamentally mistrustful of semi-auto shotguns in a combat situation and solely because of the potential for jams.
Many of the semi-autos will ‘re-rack’ like a pump action. Two ways to jam. The auto mechanism gums up creating too much drag and a feed problem – which happens to have the same characteristics as a feed problem on a pump action because a good percentage of the internal feed mechanism is similar between the two.
This is why I like the Benelli too.. it does not use gas pressure to feed, therefore the mechanism is less likely to get gummed up.
I like the AA12’s ability to be reloaded.. just like an assault rifle or semi-auto handgun. Some of the shells for the AA12 are also quite nice (not all shotguns can handle them).[/quote]
Uco: Interesting info. Given that I haven’t seen a shot fired in anger in over 20 years, my knowledge is obviously dated.
I’ve fired the Benelli M90 and the Remington 1187 in a shoot house, and both performed flawlessly. The Benelli’s action is amazing and felt recoil was much, much lower than a pumpgun. Still, I would have that nagging worry about a misfeed (not rational, I know, but still there).
Speaking of pumps, I had an opportunity to fire the old Winchester Model 97 (WWI trench gun) when I was in the Army. Amazing weapon and one of the best actions ever. Smooth pump/cycle and a great shooter. Not pretty, but really got the job done.
February 8, 2010 at 4:12 PM #510911Allan from FallbrookParticipant[quote=ucodegen]
Uco: That Benelli is a thing of beauty and the AA12 looks like fun, but I’m fundamentally mistrustful of semi-auto shotguns in a combat situation and solely because of the potential for jams.
Many of the semi-autos will ‘re-rack’ like a pump action. Two ways to jam. The auto mechanism gums up creating too much drag and a feed problem – which happens to have the same characteristics as a feed problem on a pump action because a good percentage of the internal feed mechanism is similar between the two.
This is why I like the Benelli too.. it does not use gas pressure to feed, therefore the mechanism is less likely to get gummed up.
I like the AA12’s ability to be reloaded.. just like an assault rifle or semi-auto handgun. Some of the shells for the AA12 are also quite nice (not all shotguns can handle them).[/quote]
Uco: Interesting info. Given that I haven’t seen a shot fired in anger in over 20 years, my knowledge is obviously dated.
I’ve fired the Benelli M90 and the Remington 1187 in a shoot house, and both performed flawlessly. The Benelli’s action is amazing and felt recoil was much, much lower than a pumpgun. Still, I would have that nagging worry about a misfeed (not rational, I know, but still there).
Speaking of pumps, I had an opportunity to fire the old Winchester Model 97 (WWI trench gun) when I was in the Army. Amazing weapon and one of the best actions ever. Smooth pump/cycle and a great shooter. Not pretty, but really got the job done.
February 8, 2010 at 4:12 PM #511322Allan from FallbrookParticipant[quote=ucodegen]
Uco: That Benelli is a thing of beauty and the AA12 looks like fun, but I’m fundamentally mistrustful of semi-auto shotguns in a combat situation and solely because of the potential for jams.
Many of the semi-autos will ‘re-rack’ like a pump action. Two ways to jam. The auto mechanism gums up creating too much drag and a feed problem – which happens to have the same characteristics as a feed problem on a pump action because a good percentage of the internal feed mechanism is similar between the two.
This is why I like the Benelli too.. it does not use gas pressure to feed, therefore the mechanism is less likely to get gummed up.
I like the AA12’s ability to be reloaded.. just like an assault rifle or semi-auto handgun. Some of the shells for the AA12 are also quite nice (not all shotguns can handle them).[/quote]
Uco: Interesting info. Given that I haven’t seen a shot fired in anger in over 20 years, my knowledge is obviously dated.
I’ve fired the Benelli M90 and the Remington 1187 in a shoot house, and both performed flawlessly. The Benelli’s action is amazing and felt recoil was much, much lower than a pumpgun. Still, I would have that nagging worry about a misfeed (not rational, I know, but still there).
Speaking of pumps, I had an opportunity to fire the old Winchester Model 97 (WWI trench gun) when I was in the Army. Amazing weapon and one of the best actions ever. Smooth pump/cycle and a great shooter. Not pretty, but really got the job done.
February 8, 2010 at 4:12 PM #511416Allan from FallbrookParticipant[quote=ucodegen]
Uco: That Benelli is a thing of beauty and the AA12 looks like fun, but I’m fundamentally mistrustful of semi-auto shotguns in a combat situation and solely because of the potential for jams.
Many of the semi-autos will ‘re-rack’ like a pump action. Two ways to jam. The auto mechanism gums up creating too much drag and a feed problem – which happens to have the same characteristics as a feed problem on a pump action because a good percentage of the internal feed mechanism is similar between the two.
This is why I like the Benelli too.. it does not use gas pressure to feed, therefore the mechanism is less likely to get gummed up.
I like the AA12’s ability to be reloaded.. just like an assault rifle or semi-auto handgun. Some of the shells for the AA12 are also quite nice (not all shotguns can handle them).[/quote]
Uco: Interesting info. Given that I haven’t seen a shot fired in anger in over 20 years, my knowledge is obviously dated.
I’ve fired the Benelli M90 and the Remington 1187 in a shoot house, and both performed flawlessly. The Benelli’s action is amazing and felt recoil was much, much lower than a pumpgun. Still, I would have that nagging worry about a misfeed (not rational, I know, but still there).
Speaking of pumps, I had an opportunity to fire the old Winchester Model 97 (WWI trench gun) when I was in the Army. Amazing weapon and one of the best actions ever. Smooth pump/cycle and a great shooter. Not pretty, but really got the job done.
February 8, 2010 at 4:12 PM #511668Allan from FallbrookParticipant[quote=ucodegen]
Uco: That Benelli is a thing of beauty and the AA12 looks like fun, but I’m fundamentally mistrustful of semi-auto shotguns in a combat situation and solely because of the potential for jams.
Many of the semi-autos will ‘re-rack’ like a pump action. Two ways to jam. The auto mechanism gums up creating too much drag and a feed problem – which happens to have the same characteristics as a feed problem on a pump action because a good percentage of the internal feed mechanism is similar between the two.
This is why I like the Benelli too.. it does not use gas pressure to feed, therefore the mechanism is less likely to get gummed up.
I like the AA12’s ability to be reloaded.. just like an assault rifle or semi-auto handgun. Some of the shells for the AA12 are also quite nice (not all shotguns can handle them).[/quote]
Uco: Interesting info. Given that I haven’t seen a shot fired in anger in over 20 years, my knowledge is obviously dated.
I’ve fired the Benelli M90 and the Remington 1187 in a shoot house, and both performed flawlessly. The Benelli’s action is amazing and felt recoil was much, much lower than a pumpgun. Still, I would have that nagging worry about a misfeed (not rational, I know, but still there).
Speaking of pumps, I had an opportunity to fire the old Winchester Model 97 (WWI trench gun) when I was in the Army. Amazing weapon and one of the best actions ever. Smooth pump/cycle and a great shooter. Not pretty, but really got the job done.
February 8, 2010 at 11:19 PM #510993outtamojoParticipantI would nix the hyenas-animals are a dangerous unknown. Would they become infected after eating infected flesh? If not, would they become carriers? You know, shed some feces here and there, feces get dried…when feces are later stirred up someone inhales infectious particles like mice and hantevirus and voila – zombies in da house!
Gee, this thread just won’t die, kinda like a …
February 8, 2010 at 11:19 PM #511140outtamojoParticipantI would nix the hyenas-animals are a dangerous unknown. Would they become infected after eating infected flesh? If not, would they become carriers? You know, shed some feces here and there, feces get dried…when feces are later stirred up someone inhales infectious particles like mice and hantevirus and voila – zombies in da house!
Gee, this thread just won’t die, kinda like a …
February 8, 2010 at 11:19 PM #511552outtamojoParticipantI would nix the hyenas-animals are a dangerous unknown. Would they become infected after eating infected flesh? If not, would they become carriers? You know, shed some feces here and there, feces get dried…when feces are later stirred up someone inhales infectious particles like mice and hantevirus and voila – zombies in da house!
Gee, this thread just won’t die, kinda like a …
February 8, 2010 at 11:19 PM #511645outtamojoParticipantI would nix the hyenas-animals are a dangerous unknown. Would they become infected after eating infected flesh? If not, would they become carriers? You know, shed some feces here and there, feces get dried…when feces are later stirred up someone inhales infectious particles like mice and hantevirus and voila – zombies in da house!
Gee, this thread just won’t die, kinda like a …
February 8, 2010 at 11:19 PM #511897outtamojoParticipantI would nix the hyenas-animals are a dangerous unknown. Would they become infected after eating infected flesh? If not, would they become carriers? You know, shed some feces here and there, feces get dried…when feces are later stirred up someone inhales infectious particles like mice and hantevirus and voila – zombies in da house!
Gee, this thread just won’t die, kinda like a …
February 9, 2010 at 6:37 AM #511033scaredyclassicParticipanti think dogs will get infected, based on my research. i would still risk it.
February 9, 2010 at 6:37 AM #511180scaredyclassicParticipanti think dogs will get infected, based on my research. i would still risk it.
February 9, 2010 at 6:37 AM #511592scaredyclassicParticipanti think dogs will get infected, based on my research. i would still risk it.
February 9, 2010 at 6:37 AM #511686scaredyclassicParticipanti think dogs will get infected, based on my research. i would still risk it.
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