State Controller Posts Local Government Salaries

[PatentGuy]

For a “fair” comparison to private pay (which is impossible to do), you’d have to calculate a reasonably accurate NPV of the pension benefits and add to the present compensation on an annualized basis.

Maybe it is the equivalent of their being paid 10% more than their stated pay. Maybe it’s more or less. I don’t know. I do know that there is no possible way for me to pay myself in retirement anywhere near what I make now, even using all the available vehicles (401K, 403B, 457, Cash Balance Plan, Profit Sharing Plan, Social Security), plus, those things come out of my present pay – not something stacked on top of my present pay.

And then there is the spiking, double dipping, and disability deals. I assume the clever FFs go for the trifecta.

Public pensions are based on that last, spiked year, which probably is their highest pay ever. Private pensions are accumulated starting at your lowest earning years (in your 20s) and working your way up the pay scale, and possibly back down the pay scale.

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[quote=joec]It’s really nice that they finally posted this.

What’s interesting is that you have folks in France rioting about raising their retirement age to 62 and I see a ton of these pensions (I assume) start paying at age 55?[/quote]

A County of SD non-safety employee can begin taking their pension as early as age 50 if they wish.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=joec]It’s really nice that they finally posted this.

What’s interesting is that you have folks in France rioting about raising their retirement age to 62 and I see a ton of these pensions (I assume) start paying at age 55?[/quote]

A County of SD non-safety employee can begin taking their pension as early as age 50 if they wish.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=joec]It’s really nice that they finally posted this.

What’s interesting is that you have folks in France rioting about raising their retirement age to 62 and I see a ton of these pensions (I assume) start paying at age 55?[/quote]

A County of SD non-safety employee can begin taking their pension as early as age 50 if they wish.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=joec]It’s really nice that they finally posted this.

What’s interesting is that you have folks in France rioting about raising their retirement age to 62 and I see a ton of these pensions (I assume) start paying at age 55?[/quote]

A County of SD non-safety employee can begin taking their pension as early as age 50 if they wish.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=joec]It’s really nice that they finally posted this.

What’s interesting is that you have folks in France rioting about raising their retirement age to 62 and I see a ton of these pensions (I assume) start paying at age 55?[/quote]

A County of SD non-safety employee can begin taking their pension as early as age 50 if they wish.

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[quote=PatentGuy] . . . Public pensions are based on that last, spiked year, which probably is their highest pay ever. . . . [/quote]

In the County of SD, the pensions are based upon the highest year’s salary, not necessarily the last year’s salary.

A SD county employee can have a high-earning year, get cancer and then go out on disability for surgery/chemo for 6-12 mos. When they return to work, they may not have the energy or focus to keep up with their former position so take a voluntary demotion, work a couple more years and retire at their highest-year’s pay. This and similar scenarios are very common. Even if an “unclassified” manager or supervisor-appointee voluntarily steps down amid controversy regarding their competence or a classified employee fails a probationary period for a promotion, the classified employee has step-down rights to their former classification and their pension is based upon their highest year’s pay in combination with years of service. The former mgr has step-down rights to their old classified position at the discretion of the dept head, which, in the past, was usually granted. (Don’t know if they’re allowed to place their “friends” in make-work positions anymore.) If the employee stepping down IS the dept head or appointee, they have no step-down rights so will have to retire or take deferred retirement.

The above does not apply to elected officials.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=PatentGuy] . . . Public pensions are based on that last, spiked year, which probably is their highest pay ever. . . . [/quote]

In the County of SD, the pensions are based upon the highest year’s salary, not necessarily the last year’s salary.

A SD county employee can have a high-earning year, get cancer and then go out on disability for surgery/chemo for 6-12 mos. When they return to work, they may not have the energy or focus to keep up with their former position so take a voluntary demotion, work a couple more years and retire at their highest-year’s pay. This and similar scenarios are very common. Even if an “unclassified” manager or supervisor-appointee voluntarily steps down amid controversy regarding their competence or a classified employee fails a probationary period for a promotion, the classified employee has step-down rights to their former classification and their pension is based upon their highest year’s pay in combination with years of service. The former mgr has step-down rights to their old classified position at the discretion of the dept head, which, in the past, was usually granted. (Don’t know if they’re allowed to place their “friends” in make-work positions anymore.) If the employee stepping down IS the dept head or appointee, they have no step-down rights so will have to retire or take deferred retirement.

The above does not apply to elected officials.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=PatentGuy] . . . Public pensions are based on that last, spiked year, which probably is their highest pay ever. . . . [/quote]

In the County of SD, the pensions are based upon the highest year’s salary, not necessarily the last year’s salary.

A SD county employee can have a high-earning year, get cancer and then go out on disability for surgery/chemo for 6-12 mos. When they return to work, they may not have the energy or focus to keep up with their former position so take a voluntary demotion, work a couple more years and retire at their highest-year’s pay. This and similar scenarios are very common. Even if an “unclassified” manager or supervisor-appointee voluntarily steps down amid controversy regarding their competence or a classified employee fails a probationary period for a promotion, the classified employee has step-down rights to their former classification and their pension is based upon their highest year’s pay in combination with years of service. The former mgr has step-down rights to their old classified position at the discretion of the dept head, which, in the past, was usually granted. (Don’t know if they’re allowed to place their “friends” in make-work positions anymore.) If the employee stepping down IS the dept head or appointee, they have no step-down rights so will have to retire or take deferred retirement.

The above does not apply to elected officials.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=PatentGuy] . . . Public pensions are based on that last, spiked year, which probably is their highest pay ever. . . . [/quote]

In the County of SD, the pensions are based upon the highest year’s salary, not necessarily the last year’s salary.

A SD county employee can have a high-earning year, get cancer and then go out on disability for surgery/chemo for 6-12 mos. When they return to work, they may not have the energy or focus to keep up with their former position so take a voluntary demotion, work a couple more years and retire at their highest-year’s pay. This and similar scenarios are very common. Even if an “unclassified” manager or supervisor-appointee voluntarily steps down amid controversy regarding their competence or a classified employee fails a probationary period for a promotion, the classified employee has step-down rights to their former classification and their pension is based upon their highest year’s pay in combination with years of service. The former mgr has step-down rights to their old classified position at the discretion of the dept head, which, in the past, was usually granted. (Don’t know if they’re allowed to place their “friends” in make-work positions anymore.) If the employee stepping down IS the dept head or appointee, they have no step-down rights so will have to retire or take deferred retirement.

The above does not apply to elected officials.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=PatentGuy] . . . Public pensions are based on that last, spiked year, which probably is their highest pay ever. . . . [/quote]

In the County of SD, the pensions are based upon the highest year’s salary, not necessarily the last year’s salary.

A SD county employee can have a high-earning year, get cancer and then go out on disability for surgery/chemo for 6-12 mos. When they return to work, they may not have the energy or focus to keep up with their former position so take a voluntary demotion, work a couple more years and retire at their highest-year’s pay. This and similar scenarios are very common. Even if an “unclassified” manager or supervisor-appointee voluntarily steps down amid controversy regarding their competence or a classified employee fails a probationary period for a promotion, the classified employee has step-down rights to their former classification and their pension is based upon their highest year’s pay in combination with years of service. The former mgr has step-down rights to their old classified position at the discretion of the dept head, which, in the past, was usually granted. (Don’t know if they’re allowed to place their “friends” in make-work positions anymore.) If the employee stepping down IS the dept head or appointee, they have no step-down rights so will have to retire or take deferred retirement.

The above does not apply to elected officials.

[ucodegen]

[quote sdrealtor]If I’m a cop, I’m not happy looking at those numbers. I just went through the SD numbers and the only thing rarer than a police office making more than $100K was a firefighter making less than $100K.[/quote]
I think it is the OT that the Fire Fighters clock up. The three dollar columns are, from left to right; Min $, Max $, Actual $. I suspect the Min$ and Max$ are calculated based upon normal 40 hour work week.

Likewise, for some of the lifeguards, I see a min=$33,758 max=$40,560 Actual $10,120.

What struck me is not the $ pay on some of these, but the layers of management. Like 9 deputy directors for Metropolitan Waste Water Department. This does not include the 21 Associate Management Analysts also working for the Metropolitan Waste Water Department. What is also a bit unusual is that the top salary of an “Associate Management Analyst” is close to that of an “Information Systems Analyst II”.

There are also 16 “Water Utility Supervisors” for 33 “Water Utility Workers” for the “Metropolitan Waste Water Department”

There are 12 “Word Processing Operator”s also for the Metropolitan Waste Water Department. I thought the old “steno-pools” were gone as part of MSFT Windows and MS Office products being pretty ubiquitous.

[ucodegen]

[quote sdrealtor]If I’m a cop, I’m not happy looking at those numbers. I just went through the SD numbers and the only thing rarer than a police office making more than $100K was a firefighter making less than $100K.[/quote]
I think it is the OT that the Fire Fighters clock up. The three dollar columns are, from left to right; Min $, Max $, Actual $. I suspect the Min$ and Max$ are calculated based upon normal 40 hour work week.

Likewise, for some of the lifeguards, I see a min=$33,758 max=$40,560 Actual $10,120.

What struck me is not the $ pay on some of these, but the layers of management. Like 9 deputy directors for Metropolitan Waste Water Department. This does not include the 21 Associate Management Analysts also working for the Metropolitan Waste Water Department. What is also a bit unusual is that the top salary of an “Associate Management Analyst” is close to that of an “Information Systems Analyst II”.

There are also 16 “Water Utility Supervisors” for 33 “Water Utility Workers” for the “Metropolitan Waste Water Department”

There are 12 “Word Processing Operator”s also for the Metropolitan Waste Water Department. I thought the old “steno-pools” were gone as part of MSFT Windows and MS Office products being pretty ubiquitous.

[ucodegen]

[quote sdrealtor]If I’m a cop, I’m not happy looking at those numbers. I just went through the SD numbers and the only thing rarer than a police office making more than $100K was a firefighter making less than $100K.[/quote]
I think it is the OT that the Fire Fighters clock up. The three dollar columns are, from left to right; Min $, Max $, Actual $. I suspect the Min$ and Max$ are calculated based upon normal 40 hour work week.

Likewise, for some of the lifeguards, I see a min=$33,758 max=$40,560 Actual $10,120.

What struck me is not the $ pay on some of these, but the layers of management. Like 9 deputy directors for Metropolitan Waste Water Department. This does not include the 21 Associate Management Analysts also working for the Metropolitan Waste Water Department. What is also a bit unusual is that the top salary of an “Associate Management Analyst” is close to that of an “Information Systems Analyst II”.

There are also 16 “Water Utility Supervisors” for 33 “Water Utility Workers” for the “Metropolitan Waste Water Department”

There are 12 “Word Processing Operator”s also for the Metropolitan Waste Water Department. I thought the old “steno-pools” were gone as part of MSFT Windows and MS Office products being pretty ubiquitous.

[ucodegen]

[quote sdrealtor]If I’m a cop, I’m not happy looking at those numbers. I just went through the SD numbers and the only thing rarer than a police office making more than $100K was a firefighter making less than $100K.[/quote]
I think it is the OT that the Fire Fighters clock up. The three dollar columns are, from left to right; Min $, Max $, Actual $. I suspect the Min$ and Max$ are calculated based upon normal 40 hour work week.

Likewise, for some of the lifeguards, I see a min=$33,758 max=$40,560 Actual $10,120.

What struck me is not the $ pay on some of these, but the layers of management. Like 9 deputy directors for Metropolitan Waste Water Department. This does not include the 21 Associate Management Analysts also working for the Metropolitan Waste Water Department. What is also a bit unusual is that the top salary of an “Associate Management Analyst” is close to that of an “Information Systems Analyst II”.

There are also 16 “Water Utility Supervisors” for 33 “Water Utility Workers” for the “Metropolitan Waste Water Department”

There are 12 “Word Processing Operator”s also for the Metropolitan Waste Water Department. I thought the old “steno-pools” were gone as part of MSFT Windows and MS Office products being pretty ubiquitous.

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