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November 1, 2008 at 11:36 AM #14342November 1, 2008 at 4:14 PM #296238EconProfParticipant
This plan may be the best of a bunch of awful plans. As believers in the rule of law, capitalism, and personal responsibility, we are all appalled at the steps the government has taken and will continue to take to “fix” this problem.
The virtues of this program are that it is efficient–gets the breathing room directly to the idiot borrowers, stabilizes the housing market which may otherwise overreact on the downside in a viscious circle, and whacks upside the head the equally dumb lenders with a quick principal reduction.
It is efficient because it avoids the waste of foreclosures, trashed houses, empty & idle housing stock sitting and deteriorating, and family upheavals.
Let’s face it Piggs, the government is going to waste a lot of our money no matter what. You want revenge? It’ll cost you. Let’s get this boondogle over as quickly and cheaply as possible.November 1, 2008 at 4:14 PM #296653EconProfParticipantThis plan may be the best of a bunch of awful plans. As believers in the rule of law, capitalism, and personal responsibility, we are all appalled at the steps the government has taken and will continue to take to “fix” this problem.
The virtues of this program are that it is efficient–gets the breathing room directly to the idiot borrowers, stabilizes the housing market which may otherwise overreact on the downside in a viscious circle, and whacks upside the head the equally dumb lenders with a quick principal reduction.
It is efficient because it avoids the waste of foreclosures, trashed houses, empty & idle housing stock sitting and deteriorating, and family upheavals.
Let’s face it Piggs, the government is going to waste a lot of our money no matter what. You want revenge? It’ll cost you. Let’s get this boondogle over as quickly and cheaply as possible.November 1, 2008 at 4:14 PM #296610EconProfParticipantThis plan may be the best of a bunch of awful plans. As believers in the rule of law, capitalism, and personal responsibility, we are all appalled at the steps the government has taken and will continue to take to “fix” this problem.
The virtues of this program are that it is efficient–gets the breathing room directly to the idiot borrowers, stabilizes the housing market which may otherwise overreact on the downside in a viscious circle, and whacks upside the head the equally dumb lenders with a quick principal reduction.
It is efficient because it avoids the waste of foreclosures, trashed houses, empty & idle housing stock sitting and deteriorating, and family upheavals.
Let’s face it Piggs, the government is going to waste a lot of our money no matter what. You want revenge? It’ll cost you. Let’s get this boondogle over as quickly and cheaply as possible.November 1, 2008 at 4:14 PM #296598EconProfParticipantThis plan may be the best of a bunch of awful plans. As believers in the rule of law, capitalism, and personal responsibility, we are all appalled at the steps the government has taken and will continue to take to “fix” this problem.
The virtues of this program are that it is efficient–gets the breathing room directly to the idiot borrowers, stabilizes the housing market which may otherwise overreact on the downside in a viscious circle, and whacks upside the head the equally dumb lenders with a quick principal reduction.
It is efficient because it avoids the waste of foreclosures, trashed houses, empty & idle housing stock sitting and deteriorating, and family upheavals.
Let’s face it Piggs, the government is going to waste a lot of our money no matter what. You want revenge? It’ll cost you. Let’s get this boondogle over as quickly and cheaply as possible.November 1, 2008 at 4:14 PM #296579EconProfParticipantThis plan may be the best of a bunch of awful plans. As believers in the rule of law, capitalism, and personal responsibility, we are all appalled at the steps the government has taken and will continue to take to “fix” this problem.
The virtues of this program are that it is efficient–gets the breathing room directly to the idiot borrowers, stabilizes the housing market which may otherwise overreact on the downside in a viscious circle, and whacks upside the head the equally dumb lenders with a quick principal reduction.
It is efficient because it avoids the waste of foreclosures, trashed houses, empty & idle housing stock sitting and deteriorating, and family upheavals.
Let’s face it Piggs, the government is going to waste a lot of our money no matter what. You want revenge? It’ll cost you. Let’s get this boondogle over as quickly and cheaply as possible.November 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM #296624DWCAPParticipantForegive me if I am wrong, but wouldnt this bankrupt our lending services just the same?
Our whole problem is Banks cant get their money back from past loans. If they loose too much money, they go under. This plan just forces them to take the loses now under, instead of over time as people default.
Minus the social costs, I dont understand how this fixes the problem. Again the only option is for the GOV to willingly take it in the shorts and have taxpayers foot the bill by overpaying in the ED takeover and then underselling the loan back. Otherwise our banks go under and stop lending for fear of not being repaid as weak banks die in the forced ED takeovers. Companies die due to no lending. Unemployment shoots up. Stocks dive as companies fail. Etc etc etc. It is no different.
We have two choices.
1) taxpayers foot the bill for the banks looses and everyone pays for the bubble, even the responsible who did not partake. Considering the size of this bubble, the cost is far higher than anyone wants to admit.
2) Banks foot the bill, weak ones go under, lending tightens, weak companis go under, and we go into a recession that punishes overly risky lending/borrowing (and some good unlucky ones too)Currently we are doing both.
November 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM #296643DWCAPParticipantForegive me if I am wrong, but wouldnt this bankrupt our lending services just the same?
Our whole problem is Banks cant get their money back from past loans. If they loose too much money, they go under. This plan just forces them to take the loses now under, instead of over time as people default.
Minus the social costs, I dont understand how this fixes the problem. Again the only option is for the GOV to willingly take it in the shorts and have taxpayers foot the bill by overpaying in the ED takeover and then underselling the loan back. Otherwise our banks go under and stop lending for fear of not being repaid as weak banks die in the forced ED takeovers. Companies die due to no lending. Unemployment shoots up. Stocks dive as companies fail. Etc etc etc. It is no different.
We have two choices.
1) taxpayers foot the bill for the banks looses and everyone pays for the bubble, even the responsible who did not partake. Considering the size of this bubble, the cost is far higher than anyone wants to admit.
2) Banks foot the bill, weak ones go under, lending tightens, weak companis go under, and we go into a recession that punishes overly risky lending/borrowing (and some good unlucky ones too)Currently we are doing both.
November 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM #296284DWCAPParticipantForegive me if I am wrong, but wouldnt this bankrupt our lending services just the same?
Our whole problem is Banks cant get their money back from past loans. If they loose too much money, they go under. This plan just forces them to take the loses now under, instead of over time as people default.
Minus the social costs, I dont understand how this fixes the problem. Again the only option is for the GOV to willingly take it in the shorts and have taxpayers foot the bill by overpaying in the ED takeover and then underselling the loan back. Otherwise our banks go under and stop lending for fear of not being repaid as weak banks die in the forced ED takeovers. Companies die due to no lending. Unemployment shoots up. Stocks dive as companies fail. Etc etc etc. It is no different.
We have two choices.
1) taxpayers foot the bill for the banks looses and everyone pays for the bubble, even the responsible who did not partake. Considering the size of this bubble, the cost is far higher than anyone wants to admit.
2) Banks foot the bill, weak ones go under, lending tightens, weak companis go under, and we go into a recession that punishes overly risky lending/borrowing (and some good unlucky ones too)Currently we are doing both.
November 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM #296655DWCAPParticipantForegive me if I am wrong, but wouldnt this bankrupt our lending services just the same?
Our whole problem is Banks cant get their money back from past loans. If they loose too much money, they go under. This plan just forces them to take the loses now under, instead of over time as people default.
Minus the social costs, I dont understand how this fixes the problem. Again the only option is for the GOV to willingly take it in the shorts and have taxpayers foot the bill by overpaying in the ED takeover and then underselling the loan back. Otherwise our banks go under and stop lending for fear of not being repaid as weak banks die in the forced ED takeovers. Companies die due to no lending. Unemployment shoots up. Stocks dive as companies fail. Etc etc etc. It is no different.
We have two choices.
1) taxpayers foot the bill for the banks looses and everyone pays for the bubble, even the responsible who did not partake. Considering the size of this bubble, the cost is far higher than anyone wants to admit.
2) Banks foot the bill, weak ones go under, lending tightens, weak companis go under, and we go into a recession that punishes overly risky lending/borrowing (and some good unlucky ones too)Currently we are doing both.
November 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM #296698DWCAPParticipantForegive me if I am wrong, but wouldnt this bankrupt our lending services just the same?
Our whole problem is Banks cant get their money back from past loans. If they loose too much money, they go under. This plan just forces them to take the loses now under, instead of over time as people default.
Minus the social costs, I dont understand how this fixes the problem. Again the only option is for the GOV to willingly take it in the shorts and have taxpayers foot the bill by overpaying in the ED takeover and then underselling the loan back. Otherwise our banks go under and stop lending for fear of not being repaid as weak banks die in the forced ED takeovers. Companies die due to no lending. Unemployment shoots up. Stocks dive as companies fail. Etc etc etc. It is no different.
We have two choices.
1) taxpayers foot the bill for the banks looses and everyone pays for the bubble, even the responsible who did not partake. Considering the size of this bubble, the cost is far higher than anyone wants to admit.
2) Banks foot the bill, weak ones go under, lending tightens, weak companis go under, and we go into a recession that punishes overly risky lending/borrowing (and some good unlucky ones too)Currently we are doing both.
November 1, 2008 at 5:54 PM #296294SD RealtorParticipantEconProf I see absolutely no merit in this plan with respect to selling the home back to the original homeowners.
I agree with the first part of the plan which would be to take the home away from the homeowners using emminent domain.
However in no way whatsoever should the home be “given” back to the homeowner on any terms. The home should be sold on the open market. If the current homeowners want to buy it then they can compete with anyone else.
The rate of recidivism with regard to rampant consumerism is quite high. I work with so many people who are SO qualified with respect to gainful employment, strong downpayment money, who have simply elected to be prudent over the past few years. These people would form a much strong base to the homeownership pyrmaid rather then current overburdened base owner.
I am very disturbed by this “family upheaval” that everyone keeps writing about. Renting a home is not an upheaval. I don’t like it but it is not the end of the world and to sensationalize it is crazy. Pity the poor homeowner who HELOCd himself to foreclosure so now he has to suffer through the upheaval of foreclosure so he has nowhere to park his boat.
So yes, I like the first part of the idea but a much stronger implementation of what to do after the home is taken should be considered. If the home is taken through emminent domain then the deal with the original owner would be they get to walk with no ding to the credit and if the home sells for more then they owe then they get the profit.
The better lesson for them will be that they learn to live within thier means. What a treat.
November 1, 2008 at 5:54 PM #296634SD RealtorParticipantEconProf I see absolutely no merit in this plan with respect to selling the home back to the original homeowners.
I agree with the first part of the plan which would be to take the home away from the homeowners using emminent domain.
However in no way whatsoever should the home be “given” back to the homeowner on any terms. The home should be sold on the open market. If the current homeowners want to buy it then they can compete with anyone else.
The rate of recidivism with regard to rampant consumerism is quite high. I work with so many people who are SO qualified with respect to gainful employment, strong downpayment money, who have simply elected to be prudent over the past few years. These people would form a much strong base to the homeownership pyrmaid rather then current overburdened base owner.
I am very disturbed by this “family upheaval” that everyone keeps writing about. Renting a home is not an upheaval. I don’t like it but it is not the end of the world and to sensationalize it is crazy. Pity the poor homeowner who HELOCd himself to foreclosure so now he has to suffer through the upheaval of foreclosure so he has nowhere to park his boat.
So yes, I like the first part of the idea but a much stronger implementation of what to do after the home is taken should be considered. If the home is taken through emminent domain then the deal with the original owner would be they get to walk with no ding to the credit and if the home sells for more then they owe then they get the profit.
The better lesson for them will be that they learn to live within thier means. What a treat.
November 1, 2008 at 5:54 PM #296707SD RealtorParticipantEconProf I see absolutely no merit in this plan with respect to selling the home back to the original homeowners.
I agree with the first part of the plan which would be to take the home away from the homeowners using emminent domain.
However in no way whatsoever should the home be “given” back to the homeowner on any terms. The home should be sold on the open market. If the current homeowners want to buy it then they can compete with anyone else.
The rate of recidivism with regard to rampant consumerism is quite high. I work with so many people who are SO qualified with respect to gainful employment, strong downpayment money, who have simply elected to be prudent over the past few years. These people would form a much strong base to the homeownership pyrmaid rather then current overburdened base owner.
I am very disturbed by this “family upheaval” that everyone keeps writing about. Renting a home is not an upheaval. I don’t like it but it is not the end of the world and to sensationalize it is crazy. Pity the poor homeowner who HELOCd himself to foreclosure so now he has to suffer through the upheaval of foreclosure so he has nowhere to park his boat.
So yes, I like the first part of the idea but a much stronger implementation of what to do after the home is taken should be considered. If the home is taken through emminent domain then the deal with the original owner would be they get to walk with no ding to the credit and if the home sells for more then they owe then they get the profit.
The better lesson for them will be that they learn to live within thier means. What a treat.
November 1, 2008 at 5:54 PM #296652SD RealtorParticipantEconProf I see absolutely no merit in this plan with respect to selling the home back to the original homeowners.
I agree with the first part of the plan which would be to take the home away from the homeowners using emminent domain.
However in no way whatsoever should the home be “given” back to the homeowner on any terms. The home should be sold on the open market. If the current homeowners want to buy it then they can compete with anyone else.
The rate of recidivism with regard to rampant consumerism is quite high. I work with so many people who are SO qualified with respect to gainful employment, strong downpayment money, who have simply elected to be prudent over the past few years. These people would form a much strong base to the homeownership pyrmaid rather then current overburdened base owner.
I am very disturbed by this “family upheaval” that everyone keeps writing about. Renting a home is not an upheaval. I don’t like it but it is not the end of the world and to sensationalize it is crazy. Pity the poor homeowner who HELOCd himself to foreclosure so now he has to suffer through the upheaval of foreclosure so he has nowhere to park his boat.
So yes, I like the first part of the idea but a much stronger implementation of what to do after the home is taken should be considered. If the home is taken through emminent domain then the deal with the original owner would be they get to walk with no ding to the credit and if the home sells for more then they owe then they get the profit.
The better lesson for them will be that they learn to live within thier means. What a treat.
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