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April 11, 2014 at 10:04 PM #772799April 11, 2014 at 10:09 PM #772800
njtosd
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]If I were gay, I’d know nothing about women… But I’d have lots of fag hag friends.[/quote]
Based on what I’ve read, what you “know” about women is similar to the stereotypes I used to hear bandied about at my parents cocktail parties in the 70s. Maybe you’re in your 80s, but not gay.
April 12, 2014 at 12:40 AM #772801svelteParticipant[quote=njtosd][quote=FlyerInHi]If I were gay, I’d know nothing about women… But I’d have lots of fag hag friends.[/quote]
Based on what I’ve read, what you “know” about women is similar to the stereotypes I used to hear bandied about at my parents cocktail parties in the 70s. Maybe you’re in your 80s, but not gay.[/quote]
April 12, 2014 at 1:11 AM #772802CA renter
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=FlyerInHi]If I were gay, I’d know nothing about women… But I’d have lots of fag hag friends.[/quote]
Based on what I’ve read, what you “know” about women is similar to the stereotypes I used to hear bandied about at my parents cocktail parties in the 70s. Maybe you’re in your 80s, but not gay.[/quote]
LOL! Love it! 🙂
(Sorry, brian, but you do not know much about women or relationships.)
April 12, 2014 at 4:48 AM #772803
CoronitaParticipant[quote=njtosd][quote=FlyerInHi]If I were gay, I’d know nothing about women… But I’d have lots of fag hag friends.[/quote]
Based on what I’ve read, what you “know” about women is similar to the stereotypes I used to hear bandied about at my parents cocktail parties in the 70s. Maybe you’re in your 80s, but not gay.[/quote]
Maybe he read this book? I sure did
“Everything Men Know about Women”
(The pages are blank btw)
April 12, 2014 at 6:48 AM #772804no_such_reality
ParticipantThe problem is pretty simple.
There’s what will happen in the California LEGAL system.
then there is what should happen in a JUSTICE system.
don’t get the too confused. It’ll just piss you off.
The fact that the defendent is a gub’ment worker hopefully doesn’t affect it one way or another. Nor should it.
Although we can just had her to the list of bad behavior by those stringently hired and ‘qualified’ gub’ment workers.
April 12, 2014 at 6:50 AM #772805scaredyclassic
Participantlawyers sometimes talk about “what a case is worth”.
in terms of money. time.
some cases are pretty predictable; a simple dogbite; a pound of pot at the border.
other cases are more one-off.
how much would a judge or prosecutor think this case is worth?
I think that could vary a lot. odd, hot-button factors at play.
i wouldn’t say the criminal justice system is messed up because of that unpredictability.I would say that’s an expected consequence of having human beings with human feelings and particular human experiences deciding what the case is worth.
April 12, 2014 at 6:58 AM #772806Participant[quote=no_such_reality]The problem is pretty simple.
There’s what will happen in the California LEGAL system.
then there is what should happen in a JUSTICE system.
don’t get the too confused. It’ll just piss you off.
The fact that the defendent is a gub’ment worker hopefully doesn’t affect it one way or another. Nor should it.
Although we can just had her to the list of bad behavior by those stringently hired and ‘qualified’ gub’ment workers.[/quote]
a justice system would probably have a lot of similarites to our legal system.
we’d probably have people, not computers, decide what to charge, and what the deal if any should be.
we’d have laws, with specific penalties.
we’d have judges probably monitor the proceedings are see if they felt the law was being complied with.
we’d probably have lots of disagreement about what those particular indicviduals actually do, sinc e reasonable people can differ …
how would a justice system differ from the current legal system, other than in terms of producing a specific outcome in a specific case?
April 12, 2014 at 7:59 AM #772808ParticipantLOL, no, actually, they wouldn’t.
A legal system makes decision based on ‘the law’, technicalities, actual law, sometimes, actual intent of the law.
A justice system provides outcomes that are just, equitable, righteous. Or in simple synonym terms; good, honest, fair.
Both can be enacted quite capriciously.
If the accused was doing it to you, would you want a result that complied with the letter of the law or would you want a result that was ‘good, honest & fair’?
[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=no_such_reality]The problem is pretty simple.
There’s what will happen in the California LEGAL system.
then there is what should happen in a JUSTICE system.
don’t get the too confused. It’ll just piss you off.
The fact that the defendent is a gub’ment worker hopefully doesn’t affect it one way or another. Nor should it.
Although we can just had her to the list of bad behavior by those stringently hired and ‘qualified’ gub’ment workers.[/quote]
a justice system would probably have a lot of similarites to our legal system.
we’d probably have people, not computers, decide what to charge, and what the deal if any should be.
we’d have laws, with specific penalties.
we’d have judges probably monitor the proceedings are see if they felt the law was being complied with.
we’d probably have lots of disagreement about what those particular indicviduals actually do, sinc e reasonable people can differ …
how would a justice system differ from the current legal system, other than in terms of producing a specific outcome in a specific case?[/quote]
April 12, 2014 at 8:06 AM #772809NotCranky
ParticipantOn the civil side, It’s way too expensive, way too slow. If you are being bullied out of something worth less than 50k or some quality of life issue is wrongfully being smashed by someone who is too belligerent to go to mediation there is no practical remedy in the legal system. This is because any court case could easily cost more than what your problem is worth and take two years or more ( which is another quality of life issue in itself).
Then after you have committed these kinds of resources the goddam judge will rule on some goofy sympathies if they feel like it. Balance hardships where there are not any to balance, possibly causing the plaintiff very serious consequences beyond the costs and aggravations of the original problem, the legal fees, and the disaster that spending the time in the legal system is.
Or if things go to a settlement the process starts to resemble forced mediation, something unscrupulous people use the extract things of value or convenience they don’t deserve from innocent people desperate not to litigate.
With our system it is very reasonable to just eat problems if you are truly a civilian and bankrolling your own cause. How is that a path to justice?
April 12, 2014 at 8:27 AM #772810ParticipantIs it wrong to say that the system is designed by and for Lawyers and is very subject to political and emotional leanings of judges? That justice and efficiency are coming in way behind money( $300-$400 hour for your basic litigator) and politics?
April 12, 2014 at 9:09 AM #772811ParticipantEither way the justice system, at some levels anyway, is ensuring that bad people win, have more power, etc.
April 12, 2014 at 10:08 AM #772815an
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]
Although we can just had her to the list of bad behavior by those stringently hired and ‘qualified’ gub’ment workers.[/quote]Ba-zinga 😀April 12, 2014 at 11:07 AM #772816spdrun
ParticipantShe needs house arrest and psychiatric treatment, as well as to pay restitution. Both cheaper and more constructive than locking her in prison for a decade.
April 12, 2014 at 2:32 PM #772819Participant[quote=no_such_reality]LOL, no, actually, they wouldn’t.
A legal system makes decision based on ‘the law’, technicalities, actual law, sometimes, actual intent of the law.
A justice system provides outcomes that are just, equitable, righteous. Or in simple synonym terms; good, honest, fair.
Both can be enacted quite capriciously.
If the accused was doing it to you, would you want a result that complied with the letter of the law or would you want a result that was ‘good, honest & fair’?
[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=no_such_reality]The problem is pretty simple.
There’s what will happen in the California LEGAL system.
then there is what should happen in a JUSTICE system.
don’t get the too confused. It’ll just piss you off.
The fact that the defendent is a gub’ment worker hopefully doesn’t affect it one way or another. Nor should it.
Although we can just had her to the list of bad behavior by those stringently hired and ‘qualified’ gub’ment workers.[/quote]
a justice system would probably have a lot of similarites to our legal system.
we’d probably have people, not computers, decide what to charge, and what the deal if any should be.
we’d have laws, with specific penalties.
we’d have judges probably monitor the proceedings are see if they felt the law was being complied with.
we’d probably have lots of disagreement about what those particular indicviduals actually do, sinc e reasonable people can differ …
how would a justice system differ from the current legal system, other than in terms of producing a specific outcome in a specific case?[/quote][/quote]
a justice system would have rules, though, right? And it would follow the rules? Withoutrules, it would be hard to say it was very just. you wouldn’t know ahead of time what was illegal. Or how things go. So we want to have rules. and we want to follow the rules. I think what you’re saying is have rules, but if the outcome isn’t fair or just, then don’t follow the rule.
we could do that/
except the judges might then do soem really wacky stuff….
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