Skyranch in Santee

[NotCranky]

[quote=sdrealtor]Sounds like someone is going Schahrzad on us.[/quote]
Sounds like someone is contemplating going sdrealtor?

[sdcellar]

I’m not even sure I understand what people don’t understand. When evaluating property, you have to consider both location and the actual pile of sticks itself, with the general consensus being that location is the single most important factor. A one-mile difference can make all the difference in the world. Hell, 50 feet can. Whoever said these houses were a good value simply because you get more sticks on more dirt couldn’t be more wrong. They may indeed be a good value, but you must consider where the dirt is located.

The nutshell of this is Sky Ranch sounds like the best house in a less desirable neighborhood. Generally a concept that potential home buyers would consider carefully. What’s so hard to accept about that?

Lest anyone think I’m picking on Santee, there are *plenty* of less desirable areas, but Santee sits where it sits on the San Diego County housing food chain. I’ll even trust that it’s better than what it was some number of years ago, but it is what it is and there’s not much that’s really going to change that.

[sdcellar]

I’m not even sure I understand what people don’t understand. When evaluating property, you have to consider both location and the actual pile of sticks itself, with the general consensus being that location is the single most important factor. A one-mile difference can make all the difference in the world. Hell, 50 feet can. Whoever said these houses were a good value simply because you get more sticks on more dirt couldn’t be more wrong. They may indeed be a good value, but you must consider where the dirt is located.

The nutshell of this is Sky Ranch sounds like the best house in a less desirable neighborhood. Generally a concept that potential home buyers would consider carefully. What’s so hard to accept about that?

Lest anyone think I’m picking on Santee, there are *plenty* of less desirable areas, but Santee sits where it sits on the San Diego County housing food chain. I’ll even trust that it’s better than what it was some number of years ago, but it is what it is and there’s not much that’s really going to change that.

[sdcellar]

I’m not even sure I understand what people don’t understand. When evaluating property, you have to consider both location and the actual pile of sticks itself, with the general consensus being that location is the single most important factor. A one-mile difference can make all the difference in the world. Hell, 50 feet can. Whoever said these houses were a good value simply because you get more sticks on more dirt couldn’t be more wrong. They may indeed be a good value, but you must consider where the dirt is located.

The nutshell of this is Sky Ranch sounds like the best house in a less desirable neighborhood. Generally a concept that potential home buyers would consider carefully. What’s so hard to accept about that?

Lest anyone think I’m picking on Santee, there are *plenty* of less desirable areas, but Santee sits where it sits on the San Diego County housing food chain. I’ll even trust that it’s better than what it was some number of years ago, but it is what it is and there’s not much that’s really going to change that.

[sdcellar]

I’m not even sure I understand what people don’t understand. When evaluating property, you have to consider both location and the actual pile of sticks itself, with the general consensus being that location is the single most important factor. A one-mile difference can make all the difference in the world. Hell, 50 feet can. Whoever said these houses were a good value simply because you get more sticks on more dirt couldn’t be more wrong. They may indeed be a good value, but you must consider where the dirt is located.

The nutshell of this is Sky Ranch sounds like the best house in a less desirable neighborhood. Generally a concept that potential home buyers would consider carefully. What’s so hard to accept about that?

Lest anyone think I’m picking on Santee, there are *plenty* of less desirable areas, but Santee sits where it sits on the San Diego County housing food chain. I’ll even trust that it’s better than what it was some number of years ago, but it is what it is and there’s not much that’s really going to change that.

[sdcellar]

I’m not even sure I understand what people don’t understand. When evaluating property, you have to consider both location and the actual pile of sticks itself, with the general consensus being that location is the single most important factor. A one-mile difference can make all the difference in the world. Hell, 50 feet can. Whoever said these houses were a good value simply because you get more sticks on more dirt couldn’t be more wrong. They may indeed be a good value, but you must consider where the dirt is located.

The nutshell of this is Sky Ranch sounds like the best house in a less desirable neighborhood. Generally a concept that potential home buyers would consider carefully. What’s so hard to accept about that?

Lest anyone think I’m picking on Santee, there are *plenty* of less desirable areas, but Santee sits where it sits on the San Diego County housing food chain. I’ll even trust that it’s better than what it was some number of years ago, but it is what it is and there’s not much that’s really going to change that.

[sdrealtor]

It was a joke for longtimers referring to someone getting overzealous on a point and not willing to consider other points of views because one knows it all. Not necessarily an insult but not a compliement either. It is what is…

[sdrealtor]

It was a joke for longtimers referring to someone getting overzealous on a point and not willing to consider other points of views because one knows it all. Not necessarily an insult but not a compliement either. It is what is…

[sdrealtor]

It was a joke for longtimers referring to someone getting overzealous on a point and not willing to consider other points of views because one knows it all. Not necessarily an insult but not a compliement either. It is what is…

[sdrealtor]

It was a joke for longtimers referring to someone getting overzealous on a point and not willing to consider other points of views because one knows it all. Not necessarily an insult but not a compliement either. It is what is…

[sdrealtor]

It was a joke for longtimers referring to someone getting overzealous on a point and not willing to consider other points of views because one knows it all. Not necessarily an insult but not a compliement either. It is what is…

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Russell]AN gets it. We are talking about substitution not the overall community.[/quote]

Russell, I personally don’t think home buyers substitute their preferred area to shop in unless they are ONLY looking at new-construction developments. Did you read SRO’s long rants? (S)he repeated over and over all the new developments (s)he shopped in before purchasing in SR but ALL THOSE AREAS (s)he mentioned were BRAND NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS! SRO DIDN’T EVER CONSIDER BUYING AN EXISTING HOME! (Or at least if (s)he did, (s)he didn’t mention it here.)

The buyers I have worked with had a particular neighborhood in mind to buy in, usually due to relatives in the vicinity. None of them wanted to look at property out of that neighborhood or general area. If a property wasn’t available to suit them, they waited week(s) or month(s) until one was.

[quote=Russell]Bearish girl, you defended Clairmont which has many below average houses, is stuck between Linda Vista an actual landfill dump,light industrial/ industrial supply, a million commuters, an airport,borderline ghetto apartments, inner city like high schools, dingy strip malls,sleaze bars, car lots and a heck of a lot of density including transient and semi-transient people. It’s the same argument.[/quote]

Russell, could it be that some of the negatives you’re referring to here are actually in Kearny Mesa, Bay Park or Loma Portal or “upper Clairemont” (92123, 92110, or 92117). I don’t think the 92111 zip (I was trying to sell Scarlett on in another thread) has all of these negatives within it and the “commuters” are actually on the 5 and 163, NOT traveling the surface streets.

[quote=Russell]BTW,I wasn’t aware that there was a large quantity of un-zoned properties in Santee. Do you have a list or something like that?[/quote]

I don’t have a “list” per se, but I have worked with land-use attorneys for years. Certain parts of SD County are “mixed use” due to lack of earlier zoning or were zoned that way originally. I can see why Santee’s mayors have been advocating better zoning since its incorporation. This is an uphill battle because once an area’s land-uses are entrenched, either by zoning or default, the uses within it become “grandfathered.” For instance, an “egg ranch” or “dog kennel” that has been allowed to operate for the last 50 years cannot suddenly be run out of the area because a nearby new development’s residents don’t like the smell or barking. Santee, Lakeside, San Marcos and Spring Valley are four areas that I am familiar with that suffer from “grandfathered” mixed land use. As older business owners die or sell their land, it will mostly likely be re-zoned to comport with newer uses. It’s a long, slow process, though.

[quote-Russell]Those shoddy looking industrial places in Santee and Lakeside provide invaluable service to the region and yours truly BTW. I love them.[/quote]

Yes, they do, Russell. I completely agree. I visit Allied Gardens on occasion to get repairs on certain things that cannot be repaired anywhere else 🙂

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Russell]AN gets it. We are talking about substitution not the overall community.[/quote]

Russell, I personally don’t think home buyers substitute their preferred area to shop in unless they are ONLY looking at new-construction developments. Did you read SRO’s long rants? (S)he repeated over and over all the new developments (s)he shopped in before purchasing in SR but ALL THOSE AREAS (s)he mentioned were BRAND NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS! SRO DIDN’T EVER CONSIDER BUYING AN EXISTING HOME! (Or at least if (s)he did, (s)he didn’t mention it here.)

The buyers I have worked with had a particular neighborhood in mind to buy in, usually due to relatives in the vicinity. None of them wanted to look at property out of that neighborhood or general area. If a property wasn’t available to suit them, they waited week(s) or month(s) until one was.

[quote=Russell]Bearish girl, you defended Clairmont which has many below average houses, is stuck between Linda Vista an actual landfill dump,light industrial/ industrial supply, a million commuters, an airport,borderline ghetto apartments, inner city like high schools, dingy strip malls,sleaze bars, car lots and a heck of a lot of density including transient and semi-transient people. It’s the same argument.[/quote]

Russell, could it be that some of the negatives you’re referring to here are actually in Kearny Mesa, Bay Park or Loma Portal or “upper Clairemont” (92123, 92110, or 92117). I don’t think the 92111 zip (I was trying to sell Scarlett on in another thread) has all of these negatives within it and the “commuters” are actually on the 5 and 163, NOT traveling the surface streets.

[quote=Russell]BTW,I wasn’t aware that there was a large quantity of un-zoned properties in Santee. Do you have a list or something like that?[/quote]

I don’t have a “list” per se, but I have worked with land-use attorneys for years. Certain parts of SD County are “mixed use” due to lack of earlier zoning or were zoned that way originally. I can see why Santee’s mayors have been advocating better zoning since its incorporation. This is an uphill battle because once an area’s land-uses are entrenched, either by zoning or default, the uses within it become “grandfathered.” For instance, an “egg ranch” or “dog kennel” that has been allowed to operate for the last 50 years cannot suddenly be run out of the area because a nearby new development’s residents don’t like the smell or barking. Santee, Lakeside, San Marcos and Spring Valley are four areas that I am familiar with that suffer from “grandfathered” mixed land use. As older business owners die or sell their land, it will mostly likely be re-zoned to comport with newer uses. It’s a long, slow process, though.

[quote-Russell]Those shoddy looking industrial places in Santee and Lakeside provide invaluable service to the region and yours truly BTW. I love them.[/quote]

Yes, they do, Russell. I completely agree. I visit Allied Gardens on occasion to get repairs on certain things that cannot be repaired anywhere else 🙂

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Russell]AN gets it. We are talking about substitution not the overall community.[/quote]

Russell, I personally don’t think home buyers substitute their preferred area to shop in unless they are ONLY looking at new-construction developments. Did you read SRO’s long rants? (S)he repeated over and over all the new developments (s)he shopped in before purchasing in SR but ALL THOSE AREAS (s)he mentioned were BRAND NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS! SRO DIDN’T EVER CONSIDER BUYING AN EXISTING HOME! (Or at least if (s)he did, (s)he didn’t mention it here.)

The buyers I have worked with had a particular neighborhood in mind to buy in, usually due to relatives in the vicinity. None of them wanted to look at property out of that neighborhood or general area. If a property wasn’t available to suit them, they waited week(s) or month(s) until one was.

[quote=Russell]Bearish girl, you defended Clairmont which has many below average houses, is stuck between Linda Vista an actual landfill dump,light industrial/ industrial supply, a million commuters, an airport,borderline ghetto apartments, inner city like high schools, dingy strip malls,sleaze bars, car lots and a heck of a lot of density including transient and semi-transient people. It’s the same argument.[/quote]

Russell, could it be that some of the negatives you’re referring to here are actually in Kearny Mesa, Bay Park or Loma Portal or “upper Clairemont” (92123, 92110, or 92117). I don’t think the 92111 zip (I was trying to sell Scarlett on in another thread) has all of these negatives within it and the “commuters” are actually on the 5 and 163, NOT traveling the surface streets.

[quote=Russell]BTW,I wasn’t aware that there was a large quantity of un-zoned properties in Santee. Do you have a list or something like that?[/quote]

I don’t have a “list” per se, but I have worked with land-use attorneys for years. Certain parts of SD County are “mixed use” due to lack of earlier zoning or were zoned that way originally. I can see why Santee’s mayors have been advocating better zoning since its incorporation. This is an uphill battle because once an area’s land-uses are entrenched, either by zoning or default, the uses within it become “grandfathered.” For instance, an “egg ranch” or “dog kennel” that has been allowed to operate for the last 50 years cannot suddenly be run out of the area because a nearby new development’s residents don’t like the smell or barking. Santee, Lakeside, San Marcos and Spring Valley are four areas that I am familiar with that suffer from “grandfathered” mixed land use. As older business owners die or sell their land, it will mostly likely be re-zoned to comport with newer uses. It’s a long, slow process, though.

[quote-Russell]Those shoddy looking industrial places in Santee and Lakeside provide invaluable service to the region and yours truly BTW. I love them.[/quote]

Yes, they do, Russell. I completely agree. I visit Allied Gardens on occasion to get repairs on certain things that cannot be repaired anywhere else 🙂

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Russell]AN gets it. We are talking about substitution not the overall community.[/quote]

Russell, I personally don’t think home buyers substitute their preferred area to shop in unless they are ONLY looking at new-construction developments. Did you read SRO’s long rants? (S)he repeated over and over all the new developments (s)he shopped in before purchasing in SR but ALL THOSE AREAS (s)he mentioned were BRAND NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS! SRO DIDN’T EVER CONSIDER BUYING AN EXISTING HOME! (Or at least if (s)he did, (s)he didn’t mention it here.)

The buyers I have worked with had a particular neighborhood in mind to buy in, usually due to relatives in the vicinity. None of them wanted to look at property out of that neighborhood or general area. If a property wasn’t available to suit them, they waited week(s) or month(s) until one was.

[quote=Russell]Bearish girl, you defended Clairmont which has many below average houses, is stuck between Linda Vista an actual landfill dump,light industrial/ industrial supply, a million commuters, an airport,borderline ghetto apartments, inner city like high schools, dingy strip malls,sleaze bars, car lots and a heck of a lot of density including transient and semi-transient people. It’s the same argument.[/quote]

Russell, could it be that some of the negatives you’re referring to here are actually in Kearny Mesa, Bay Park or Loma Portal or “upper Clairemont” (92123, 92110, or 92117). I don’t think the 92111 zip (I was trying to sell Scarlett on in another thread) has all of these negatives within it and the “commuters” are actually on the 5 and 163, NOT traveling the surface streets.

[quote=Russell]BTW,I wasn’t aware that there was a large quantity of un-zoned properties in Santee. Do you have a list or something like that?[/quote]

I don’t have a “list” per se, but I have worked with land-use attorneys for years. Certain parts of SD County are “mixed use” due to lack of earlier zoning or were zoned that way originally. I can see why Santee’s mayors have been advocating better zoning since its incorporation. This is an uphill battle because once an area’s land-uses are entrenched, either by zoning or default, the uses within it become “grandfathered.” For instance, an “egg ranch” or “dog kennel” that has been allowed to operate for the last 50 years cannot suddenly be run out of the area because a nearby new development’s residents don’t like the smell or barking. Santee, Lakeside, San Marcos and Spring Valley are four areas that I am familiar with that suffer from “grandfathered” mixed land use. As older business owners die or sell their land, it will mostly likely be re-zoned to comport with newer uses. It’s a long, slow process, though.

[quote-Russell]Those shoddy looking industrial places in Santee and Lakeside provide invaluable service to the region and yours truly BTW. I love them.[/quote]

Yes, they do, Russell. I completely agree. I visit Allied Gardens on occasion to get repairs on certain things that cannot be repaired anywhere else 🙂

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