Should I build or buy? (NC inland)

[permabear]

Thanks for the extensive replies, bearishgurl

[quote=bearishgurl]To do it you will need to come up with a lot with a teardown on it (to have utils at the ready and avoid the “new construction premium” of $27K to $35K), the total of the bureaucrats’ “nickel and diming which amounts to the “ultimate white paper fee.” Your lender will most likely want you to put down 30-50% on the teardown lot because the dwelling on it may or may not be immediately habitable. Just the acquisition of the lot may take all the $$ you were going to use for a downpayment on a resale house.[/quote]

This is where I have gotten stuck so far. When looking all across San Diego, the only places with low-priced teardowns are neighborhoods that would not support a full rebuild. If you try to get a teardown in some place like Del Mar or North Poway or Scripps, you end up getting a completely decrepit house for 10% off what a completely remodeled “move-in ready” home goes for.

Case in point, this Del Mar home is an absolute gut job (been in it twice):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15030-Rancho-Real-92014/home/4444174

Whereas this one across the street was nicely maintained (not my style, but still):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15029-Rancho-Real-92014/home/4444027

So, < $150k difference, which doesn't even cover the architect/permit fees. If you're aware of a nice area with reasonable teardowns, I'm all ears. The only place I've remotely found is Green Valley in Poway, and even then it's more expensive than building from scratch (even with the "fresh build premium").

[bearishgurl]

[quote=permabear]Case in point, this Del Mar home is an absolute gut job (been in it twice):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15030-Rancho-Real-92014/home/4444174

Whereas this one across the street was nicely maintained (not my style, but still):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15029-R…%5B/quote%5D

Uh, permabear, I don’t care how many times you’ve been in it. Your first link IS NOT a “gut job.” It’s completely liveable TODAY and is a VERY upscale property, IMO.

Your second link is an even nicer property (NOT a teardown).

You’re WAY off base here. You’re SO looking in the wrong places for “teardowns” or potential buildable lots.

If you go into SD proper, you will find lots ONLY within the CFD’s with HOA, because of your PUSD parameters you have set for yourself. In order to avoid these costly albatrosses, you will have to limit your search to lots in Poway, unless you can find an infill knockdown in SD zips.

I previously stated to look for a “teardown” because I am urban (so that’s how I think). But since you are limiting yourself to the PUSD, you will have to consider land which may or may not have all utilities necessary to be ready to build on, so you may have to bite the bullet and endure the “ultimate white paper fee” and also one or more inspections in escrow. It’s STILL cheaper to build this way:

See:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Belevedere_Poway_Ca_92064_M17309-40988

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/St-Andrews_Poway_CA_92064_M22882-07271

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/St-Andrews_Poway_CA_92064_M17658-20688

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2-Boulder-Mountain_Poway_CA_92064_M27614-91038

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Midland_Poway_Ca_92064_M17475-83426

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Orchard-Bend_Poway_CA_92064_M16217-05370

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Running-Deer_Poway_CA_92064_M13653-72547

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Quail-Mountain_Poway_CA_92064_M18128-53761

By far, the best lot is the Quail Mtn. lot (the 8th [last] link, asking $500K) which can even have sewer brought to it (other utils are nearby).

It would be best to pay your architect an initial consulting fee and bring him or her to several lots you are considering making an offer on. They will tell you which lot is best suited to a plan which suits your needs.

Edit: Links 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 are located within an HOA (where an unusual mid-century design my not be permitted).

[bearishgurl]

[quote=permabear]Case in point, this Del Mar home is an absolute gut job (been in it twice):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15030-Rancho-Real-92014/home/4444174

Whereas this one across the street was nicely maintained (not my style, but still):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15029-R…%5B/quote%5D

Uh, permabear, I don’t care how many times you’ve been in it. Your first link IS NOT a “gut job.” It’s completely liveable TODAY and is a VERY upscale property, IMO.

Your second link is an even nicer property (NOT a teardown).

You’re WAY off base here. You’re SO looking in the wrong places for “teardowns” or potential buildable lots.

If you go into SD proper, you will find lots ONLY within the CFD’s with HOA, because of your PUSD parameters you have set for yourself. In order to avoid these costly albatrosses, you will have to limit your search to lots in Poway, unless you can find an infill knockdown in SD zips.

I previously stated to look for a “teardown” because I am urban (so that’s how I think). But since you are limiting yourself to the PUSD, you will have to consider land which may or may not have all utilities necessary to be ready to build on, so you may have to bite the bullet and endure the “ultimate white paper fee” and also one or more inspections in escrow. It’s STILL cheaper to build this way:

See:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Belevedere_Poway_Ca_92064_M17309-40988

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/St-Andrews_Poway_CA_92064_M22882-07271

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/St-Andrews_Poway_CA_92064_M17658-20688

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2-Boulder-Mountain_Poway_CA_92064_M27614-91038

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Midland_Poway_Ca_92064_M17475-83426

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Orchard-Bend_Poway_CA_92064_M16217-05370

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Running-Deer_Poway_CA_92064_M13653-72547

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Quail-Mountain_Poway_CA_92064_M18128-53761

By far, the best lot is the Quail Mtn. lot (the 8th [last] link, asking $500K) which can even have sewer brought to it (other utils are nearby).

It would be best to pay your architect an initial consulting fee and bring him or her to several lots you are considering making an offer on. They will tell you which lot is best suited to a plan which suits your needs.

Edit: Links 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 are located within an HOA (where an unusual mid-century design my not be permitted).

[bearishgurl]

[quote=permabear]Case in point, this Del Mar home is an absolute gut job (been in it twice):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15030-Rancho-Real-92014/home/4444174

Whereas this one across the street was nicely maintained (not my style, but still):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15029-R…%5B/quote%5D

Uh, permabear, I don’t care how many times you’ve been in it. Your first link IS NOT a “gut job.” It’s completely liveable TODAY and is a VERY upscale property, IMO.

Your second link is an even nicer property (NOT a teardown).

You’re WAY off base here. You’re SO looking in the wrong places for “teardowns” or potential buildable lots.

If you go into SD proper, you will find lots ONLY within the CFD’s with HOA, because of your PUSD parameters you have set for yourself. In order to avoid these costly albatrosses, you will have to limit your search to lots in Poway, unless you can find an infill knockdown in SD zips.

I previously stated to look for a “teardown” because I am urban (so that’s how I think). But since you are limiting yourself to the PUSD, you will have to consider land which may or may not have all utilities necessary to be ready to build on, so you may have to bite the bullet and endure the “ultimate white paper fee” and also one or more inspections in escrow. It’s STILL cheaper to build this way:

See:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Belevedere_Poway_Ca_92064_M17309-40988

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/St-Andrews_Poway_CA_92064_M22882-07271

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/St-Andrews_Poway_CA_92064_M17658-20688

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2-Boulder-Mountain_Poway_CA_92064_M27614-91038

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Midland_Poway_Ca_92064_M17475-83426

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Orchard-Bend_Poway_CA_92064_M16217-05370

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Running-Deer_Poway_CA_92064_M13653-72547

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Quail-Mountain_Poway_CA_92064_M18128-53761

By far, the best lot is the Quail Mtn. lot (the 8th [last] link, asking $500K) which can even have sewer brought to it (other utils are nearby).

It would be best to pay your architect an initial consulting fee and bring him or her to several lots you are considering making an offer on. They will tell you which lot is best suited to a plan which suits your needs.

Edit: Links 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 are located within an HOA (where an unusual mid-century design my not be permitted).

[bearishgurl]

[quote=permabear]Case in point, this Del Mar home is an absolute gut job (been in it twice):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15030-Rancho-Real-92014/home/4444174

Whereas this one across the street was nicely maintained (not my style, but still):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15029-R…%5B/quote%5D

Uh, permabear, I don’t care how many times you’ve been in it. Your first link IS NOT a “gut job.” It’s completely liveable TODAY and is a VERY upscale property, IMO.

Your second link is an even nicer property (NOT a teardown).

You’re WAY off base here. You’re SO looking in the wrong places for “teardowns” or potential buildable lots.

If you go into SD proper, you will find lots ONLY within the CFD’s with HOA, because of your PUSD parameters you have set for yourself. In order to avoid these costly albatrosses, you will have to limit your search to lots in Poway, unless you can find an infill knockdown in SD zips.

I previously stated to look for a “teardown” because I am urban (so that’s how I think). But since you are limiting yourself to the PUSD, you will have to consider land which may or may not have all utilities necessary to be ready to build on, so you may have to bite the bullet and endure the “ultimate white paper fee” and also one or more inspections in escrow. It’s STILL cheaper to build this way:

See:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Belevedere_Poway_Ca_92064_M17309-40988

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/St-Andrews_Poway_CA_92064_M22882-07271

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/St-Andrews_Poway_CA_92064_M17658-20688

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2-Boulder-Mountain_Poway_CA_92064_M27614-91038

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Midland_Poway_Ca_92064_M17475-83426

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Orchard-Bend_Poway_CA_92064_M16217-05370

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Running-Deer_Poway_CA_92064_M13653-72547

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Quail-Mountain_Poway_CA_92064_M18128-53761

By far, the best lot is the Quail Mtn. lot (the 8th [last] link, asking $500K) which can even have sewer brought to it (other utils are nearby).

It would be best to pay your architect an initial consulting fee and bring him or her to several lots you are considering making an offer on. They will tell you which lot is best suited to a plan which suits your needs.

Edit: Links 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 are located within an HOA (where an unusual mid-century design my not be permitted).

[bearishgurl]

[quote=permabear]Case in point, this Del Mar home is an absolute gut job (been in it twice):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15030-Rancho-Real-92014/home/4444174

Whereas this one across the street was nicely maintained (not my style, but still):

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Del-Mar/15029-R…%5B/quote%5D

Uh, permabear, I don’t care how many times you’ve been in it. Your first link IS NOT a “gut job.” It’s completely liveable TODAY and is a VERY upscale property, IMO.

Your second link is an even nicer property (NOT a teardown).

You’re WAY off base here. You’re SO looking in the wrong places for “teardowns” or potential buildable lots.

If you go into SD proper, you will find lots ONLY within the CFD’s with HOA, because of your PUSD parameters you have set for yourself. In order to avoid these costly albatrosses, you will have to limit your search to lots in Poway, unless you can find an infill knockdown in SD zips.

I previously stated to look for a “teardown” because I am urban (so that’s how I think). But since you are limiting yourself to the PUSD, you will have to consider land which may or may not have all utilities necessary to be ready to build on, so you may have to bite the bullet and endure the “ultimate white paper fee” and also one or more inspections in escrow. It’s STILL cheaper to build this way:

See:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Belevedere_Poway_Ca_92064_M17309-40988

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/St-Andrews_Poway_CA_92064_M22882-07271

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/St-Andrews_Poway_CA_92064_M17658-20688

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2-Boulder-Mountain_Poway_CA_92064_M27614-91038

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Midland_Poway_Ca_92064_M17475-83426

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Orchard-Bend_Poway_CA_92064_M16217-05370

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Running-Deer_Poway_CA_92064_M13653-72547

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Quail-Mountain_Poway_CA_92064_M18128-53761

By far, the best lot is the Quail Mtn. lot (the 8th [last] link, asking $500K) which can even have sewer brought to it (other utils are nearby).

It would be best to pay your architect an initial consulting fee and bring him or her to several lots you are considering making an offer on. They will tell you which lot is best suited to a plan which suits your needs.

Edit: Links 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 are located within an HOA (where an unusual mid-century design my not be permitted).

[jficquette]

I have built houses before. My suggestion is to buy not build because if you build you will have to deal with the Code Nazi’s which will ruin your life.

[jficquette]

I have built houses before. My suggestion is to buy not build because if you build you will have to deal with the Code Nazi’s which will ruin your life.

[jficquette]

I have built houses before. My suggestion is to buy not build because if you build you will have to deal with the Code Nazi’s which will ruin your life.

[jficquette]

I have built houses before. My suggestion is to buy not build because if you build you will have to deal with the Code Nazi’s which will ruin your life.

[jficquette]

I have built houses before. My suggestion is to buy not build because if you build you will have to deal with the Code Nazi’s which will ruin your life.

[bearishgurl]

permabear, I just quickly double-checked this morning and the only one that lies within a CFD (out of the 8 lots avail in Poway that I posted), is the first one, “Belvedere,” a 1 AC rocky view lot already subdivided and situated on a “cul-de-sac.” I do not know how much the MR is there. It’s only $280K and the MR (and its smaller size) are probably the reasons for its lower price.

Since mid-century moderns, by their nature, tend to be a little too unusual or eclectic to bother with dealing with yet another layer of bureaucracy (HOA), I would recommend that you (if you consider any lots from my links) consider #8 (Quail Mtn), to avoid MR and HOA. HOA boards could drive you nuts and cost you a fortune on a project like this.

For example, I think Norm’s design (or similar), shown here:

http://normapplebaum.com/rg01.html

would work out GREAT on the lot in link #8.

What do you think, permabear??

The way I see it:

$450K cost of lot
$75K design fees
$5K planning fees
$22K – $27K util fees and kickbacks
$8K engineering fees
$27K periodic inspection fees and sign off
$8K to 10K private road paving (blacktop)
$47K landscaping, pool, driveway
$3K ice plant part way down hillside (fire protection and ins. purposes)
$450K cost of building

Total cost to build is about $1.1M (could be less if don’t need access road or don’t use as many expensive materials).

And you can let your architect and spec builder deal with the “code nazis.” They’re pros so won’t design anything in such a way to begin with that won’t fly in a particular jurisdiction or will arrange a meeting with the “head bureaucrat” first to get approval. If you ask your architect/engineer for some modification or grading shortcut or whatever in the beginning, they’ll just tell you up front that “the City of Poway (or county) won’t permit that.” That’s their biz and they know it well and won’t waste months/years of your time duking it out with the powers that be.

The subjects of these nightmare stories you hear of that are repeatedly going ’round and ’round with the bureaucratic “code-nazis” are primarily the DIYers on a shoestring or persons that fired their architect and/or builder midstream.

Can Norm’s rg01 (wedge) plan be built on the Quail Mtn lot for $1M – $1.1M, within 18-24 mos of hiring an architect?

And what will it’s appraised value be upon completion??

If you have the money to do so, is going thru all this a better investment than spending $1M+ on another “Tuscan” tract home located within a CFD and HOA?

What say Piggs?? Am I way off base here? Would it cost $1.5M to build the wedge in Poway?? Should permabear opt out of the 3000-bottle wine cellar to save costs???

Note: I forgot to mention that when all is said and done and permabear finds out which views he likes best, he can hire his engineer back for another $12K and get 2-3 more “estate home” lots (out of his Quail Mtn. property) under the Subdivision Map Act.

Heck, by giving up a little privacy, he might be able to get back ALL the $$ he put into his “wedge home” out of the sale of 3 lots and then retire his mortgage!! This will take another 18 mos to effect and I don’t think permabear should decide what he wants to do in this regard until he moves in and sees how much land he might want to keep :=)

[bearishgurl]

permabear, I just quickly double-checked this morning and the only one that lies within a CFD (out of the 8 lots avail in Poway that I posted), is the first one, “Belvedere,” a 1 AC rocky view lot already subdivided and situated on a “cul-de-sac.” I do not know how much the MR is there. It’s only $280K and the MR (and its smaller size) are probably the reasons for its lower price.

Since mid-century moderns, by their nature, tend to be a little too unusual or eclectic to bother with dealing with yet another layer of bureaucracy (HOA), I would recommend that you (if you consider any lots from my links) consider #8 (Quail Mtn), to avoid MR and HOA. HOA boards could drive you nuts and cost you a fortune on a project like this.

For example, I think Norm’s design (or similar), shown here:

http://normapplebaum.com/rg01.html

would work out GREAT on the lot in link #8.

What do you think, permabear??

The way I see it:

$450K cost of lot
$75K design fees
$5K planning fees
$22K – $27K util fees and kickbacks
$8K engineering fees
$27K periodic inspection fees and sign off
$8K to 10K private road paving (blacktop)
$47K landscaping, pool, driveway
$3K ice plant part way down hillside (fire protection and ins. purposes)
$450K cost of building

Total cost to build is about $1.1M (could be less if don’t need access road or don’t use as many expensive materials).

And you can let your architect and spec builder deal with the “code nazis.” They’re pros so won’t design anything in such a way to begin with that won’t fly in a particular jurisdiction or will arrange a meeting with the “head bureaucrat” first to get approval. If you ask your architect/engineer for some modification or grading shortcut or whatever in the beginning, they’ll just tell you up front that “the City of Poway (or county) won’t permit that.” That’s their biz and they know it well and won’t waste months/years of your time duking it out with the powers that be.

The subjects of these nightmare stories you hear of that are repeatedly going ’round and ’round with the bureaucratic “code-nazis” are primarily the DIYers on a shoestring or persons that fired their architect and/or builder midstream.

Can Norm’s rg01 (wedge) plan be built on the Quail Mtn lot for $1M – $1.1M, within 18-24 mos of hiring an architect?

And what will it’s appraised value be upon completion??

If you have the money to do so, is going thru all this a better investment than spending $1M+ on another “Tuscan” tract home located within a CFD and HOA?

What say Piggs?? Am I way off base here? Would it cost $1.5M to build the wedge in Poway?? Should permabear opt out of the 3000-bottle wine cellar to save costs???

Note: I forgot to mention that when all is said and done and permabear finds out which views he likes best, he can hire his engineer back for another $12K and get 2-3 more “estate home” lots (out of his Quail Mtn. property) under the Subdivision Map Act.

Heck, by giving up a little privacy, he might be able to get back ALL the $$ he put into his “wedge home” out of the sale of 3 lots and then retire his mortgage!! This will take another 18 mos to effect and I don’t think permabear should decide what he wants to do in this regard until he moves in and sees how much land he might want to keep :=)

[bearishgurl]

permabear, I just quickly double-checked this morning and the only one that lies within a CFD (out of the 8 lots avail in Poway that I posted), is the first one, “Belvedere,” a 1 AC rocky view lot already subdivided and situated on a “cul-de-sac.” I do not know how much the MR is there. It’s only $280K and the MR (and its smaller size) are probably the reasons for its lower price.

Since mid-century moderns, by their nature, tend to be a little too unusual or eclectic to bother with dealing with yet another layer of bureaucracy (HOA), I would recommend that you (if you consider any lots from my links) consider #8 (Quail Mtn), to avoid MR and HOA. HOA boards could drive you nuts and cost you a fortune on a project like this.

For example, I think Norm’s design (or similar), shown here:

http://normapplebaum.com/rg01.html

would work out GREAT on the lot in link #8.

What do you think, permabear??

The way I see it:

$450K cost of lot
$75K design fees
$5K planning fees
$22K – $27K util fees and kickbacks
$8K engineering fees
$27K periodic inspection fees and sign off
$8K to 10K private road paving (blacktop)
$47K landscaping, pool, driveway
$3K ice plant part way down hillside (fire protection and ins. purposes)
$450K cost of building

Total cost to build is about $1.1M (could be less if don’t need access road or don’t use as many expensive materials).

And you can let your architect and spec builder deal with the “code nazis.” They’re pros so won’t design anything in such a way to begin with that won’t fly in a particular jurisdiction or will arrange a meeting with the “head bureaucrat” first to get approval. If you ask your architect/engineer for some modification or grading shortcut or whatever in the beginning, they’ll just tell you up front that “the City of Poway (or county) won’t permit that.” That’s their biz and they know it well and won’t waste months/years of your time duking it out with the powers that be.

The subjects of these nightmare stories you hear of that are repeatedly going ’round and ’round with the bureaucratic “code-nazis” are primarily the DIYers on a shoestring or persons that fired their architect and/or builder midstream.

Can Norm’s rg01 (wedge) plan be built on the Quail Mtn lot for $1M – $1.1M, within 18-24 mos of hiring an architect?

And what will it’s appraised value be upon completion??

If you have the money to do so, is going thru all this a better investment than spending $1M+ on another “Tuscan” tract home located within a CFD and HOA?

What say Piggs?? Am I way off base here? Would it cost $1.5M to build the wedge in Poway?? Should permabear opt out of the 3000-bottle wine cellar to save costs???

Note: I forgot to mention that when all is said and done and permabear finds out which views he likes best, he can hire his engineer back for another $12K and get 2-3 more “estate home” lots (out of his Quail Mtn. property) under the Subdivision Map Act.

Heck, by giving up a little privacy, he might be able to get back ALL the $$ he put into his “wedge home” out of the sale of 3 lots and then retire his mortgage!! This will take another 18 mos to effect and I don’t think permabear should decide what he wants to do in this regard until he moves in and sees how much land he might want to keep :=)

[bearishgurl]

permabear, I just quickly double-checked this morning and the only one that lies within a CFD (out of the 8 lots avail in Poway that I posted), is the first one, “Belvedere,” a 1 AC rocky view lot already subdivided and situated on a “cul-de-sac.” I do not know how much the MR is there. It’s only $280K and the MR (and its smaller size) are probably the reasons for its lower price.

Since mid-century moderns, by their nature, tend to be a little too unusual or eclectic to bother with dealing with yet another layer of bureaucracy (HOA), I would recommend that you (if you consider any lots from my links) consider #8 (Quail Mtn), to avoid MR and HOA. HOA boards could drive you nuts and cost you a fortune on a project like this.

For example, I think Norm’s design (or similar), shown here:

http://normapplebaum.com/rg01.html

would work out GREAT on the lot in link #8.

What do you think, permabear??

The way I see it:

$450K cost of lot
$75K design fees
$5K planning fees
$22K – $27K util fees and kickbacks
$8K engineering fees
$27K periodic inspection fees and sign off
$8K to 10K private road paving (blacktop)
$47K landscaping, pool, driveway
$3K ice plant part way down hillside (fire protection and ins. purposes)
$450K cost of building

Total cost to build is about $1.1M (could be less if don’t need access road or don’t use as many expensive materials).

And you can let your architect and spec builder deal with the “code nazis.” They’re pros so won’t design anything in such a way to begin with that won’t fly in a particular jurisdiction or will arrange a meeting with the “head bureaucrat” first to get approval. If you ask your architect/engineer for some modification or grading shortcut or whatever in the beginning, they’ll just tell you up front that “the City of Poway (or county) won’t permit that.” That’s their biz and they know it well and won’t waste months/years of your time duking it out with the powers that be.

The subjects of these nightmare stories you hear of that are repeatedly going ’round and ’round with the bureaucratic “code-nazis” are primarily the DIYers on a shoestring or persons that fired their architect and/or builder midstream.

Can Norm’s rg01 (wedge) plan be built on the Quail Mtn lot for $1M – $1.1M, within 18-24 mos of hiring an architect?

And what will it’s appraised value be upon completion??

If you have the money to do so, is going thru all this a better investment than spending $1M+ on another “Tuscan” tract home located within a CFD and HOA?

What say Piggs?? Am I way off base here? Would it cost $1.5M to build the wedge in Poway?? Should permabear opt out of the 3000-bottle wine cellar to save costs???

Note: I forgot to mention that when all is said and done and permabear finds out which views he likes best, he can hire his engineer back for another $12K and get 2-3 more “estate home” lots (out of his Quail Mtn. property) under the Subdivision Map Act.

Heck, by giving up a little privacy, he might be able to get back ALL the $$ he put into his “wedge home” out of the sale of 3 lots and then retire his mortgage!! This will take another 18 mos to effect and I don’t think permabear should decide what he wants to do in this regard until he moves in and sees how much land he might want to keep :=)

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