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January 3, 2007 at 1:36 PM #8152January 3, 2007 at 1:57 PM #42622blahblahblahParticipant
Our houses are crappy because they’re built by illegal aliens and meth addicts and sold to us by conmen. We buy them anyway. Our food is full of e-coli and toxic chemicals. We eat it anyway. I remember when I was a kid, we read stories in school about how shoddy Soviet-manufactured goods were because there was no incentive to make things any better. Weren’t things supposed to be different here?
January 3, 2007 at 2:14 PM #42624PerryChaseParticipantI have a friend who is a small builder in Florida. He says that the building industry goes by the “good enough” motto. If it looks good enough then that’s all that counts. Painter’s caulking is what’s used to hide all the imperfections.
January 3, 2007 at 2:19 PM #42625SD AttorneyParticipantI read Piggington’s daily and had to chime in when I saw this topic because I make a living off of it.
I spent 6 years as a carpenter in Minnesota and Colorado before moving to San Diego to practice law. I practice now in construction defect litigation and I couldn’t agree with you more regarding the quality of construction during the latest boom here. Shoddy at best.
Many of the major problems that could go wrong with your house are not visible to the naked eye. Southern California is full of fault lines and poor soil conditions, therefore if the soil settles underneath the pad your house is built on you are in for major problems. Cracked foundations/concrete/stucco/flooring. Windows and doors become off center, counter tops can crack, plumbing lines rupture, etc.
Often times builders cut corners when testing the soil conditions of the proposed homes. This is because soils engineering is very expensive and can take a long time to complete. When a builder should do soil borings in 100 locations to get a sampling of the development, they instead will choose to do 25. This is problematic in southern CA when the soil conditions can change dramatically over a very small range.
I don’t know what the ultimate factors are for prospective buyers to consider when assessing the manner in which their house was constructed. But, it helps to have a friend that is a builder or to ask the seller/builder every question you can think of.
Good luck.
January 3, 2007 at 5:21 PM #42638powaysellerParticipantConstruction Attorney, do you have a website or e-mail address? My brother is an attorney at Shepherd Mullin, and I’ve been trying to get him interested in starting his own practice, profiting from the huge fall-out of the housing bust. Your field is one such area. He’s not interested in bankruptcy law, because you’re dealing with clients who are broke, plus he is ethically opposed to the new BK law which makes people debt slaves according to him. But construction litigation holds more promise for high fees. If you’re not busy now, you soon will be.
My husband is an engineer by training, so he knows how to do/supervise all the soils tests you’re referring to. The County did not require us to do any soils or compaction testing when we built our house, but we did them anyway. It cost less than $1K. Our neighbors did not do any at all!!! Can you believe it? But we did tested our soil, and we also put extra reinforcement in our foundation: exra rebar to make the foundation stronger. Even if you build according to the building codes, as you mentioned, your house is inferior. I feel sorry for anybody with a tract house, unless of course they got it for pennies on the dollar.
Even $1 mil houses could be just paper boxes built most likely on poor soil, not properly compacted, missing roof vents (because remember that building inspectors do NOT climb on ladders or crawl through attics since they are too good for that). You cannot know what is in your house, because it is covered with some cheap stucco and a nice coat of paint. But underneath that pretty paint and smooth stucco, is who-knows-what? Cracked 2×4 framing? Soil not compacted properly? One will never know.
Does anyone know if construction used to be of higher quality? Was there a certain year when the quality deteriorated? Are some builders still craftsmen?
January 4, 2007 at 5:42 AM #42654mydogsarelazyParticipantWe own a KB home built in 2004 in Murrieta.
After the close of escrow we had the home professionally inspected and found only a few minor issues — a cracked roof tile, and a place that wiring needed to be re-shielded.
During the warranty period we contacted the builder twice for minor repairs which were instantly and expertly taken care of.So, just one anecdote here, but we are very satisfied with the quality of our new home.
JS
January 4, 2007 at 7:10 AM #42655mixxalotParticipantNow buying a home worries me
With the shoddy build quality and inflated prices.
I almost bought a place 2 years ago in Sacramento and found a lot of problems and backed out of the deal. It ticked off the agent but I was angry that she would sell me a piece of crap for 390k at the time.
January 4, 2007 at 10:56 AM #42674(former)FormerSanDieganParticipantThe newest house I ever purchased was built in 1963, bought in 1996. Since then I’ve bought houses built in 1952 and the 1920’s.
My advice: buy something that has been around at least 40 years and expect to do some routine maintenance. Beats paying HOA, mello roos and getting an inferior product IMO.January 4, 2007 at 11:12 AM #42678surveyorParticipantMy rental property/SFR in Mira Mesa was built in 1997, but has held up pretty well. No major problems.
My in-law’s place in 4s ranch (which they are renting), the sprinkler system has gone awry four times (the house itself is almost 4 years old) and each time they have to tear up the sidewalk and the driveway to solve the problem. I haven’t heard any other problems with 4s ranch houses, though.
January 4, 2007 at 12:22 PM #42684PerryChaseParticipantI’m hoping for pre-fab modular houses that people can just bolt together on top of a slab. That will permanently lower the cost of housing. These container based houses should be extremely strong. Add nice lanscaping and you have great inexpensive houses that are also structurally sound.
We just need to be a little creative and forget about the “traditional” houses. I kinda think we need a housing revolution.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2006/06/16/carollloyd.DTL
January 5, 2007 at 9:21 AM #42756SD AttorneyParticipantPowayseller, I can be reached at 8582545077.
January 5, 2007 at 10:59 AM #42765Cow_tippingParticipantConstruction Attorney,
I live in NC not in CA. and own a 4 year old centex house. Well out of warranty. However I believe I have some structural defects. Nails on the second floor holding the boards to the joists instead of screws. Floor creaks very very very loudly when you walk on it. I am wondering if it is a worthwhile endeavor to initiate legal proceedings against them for that. Last year they replaced a similar problem in my neighbors house. They also were out of warranty. 3 year old house at that time.
Thanks.
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