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August 18, 2010 at 8:52 PM #593909August 18, 2010 at 8:55 PM #592861
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Participant[quote=sdrealtor] $1M is not a huge amount for someone with a household income of 200 to 300K.
[/quote]5x income? Seriously?
What % of households even make that much? “You’d be surprised” is not an answer.
August 18, 2010 at 8:55 PM #592958Participant[quote=sdrealtor] $1M is not a huge amount for someone with a household income of 200 to 300K.
[/quote]5x income? Seriously?
What % of households even make that much? “You’d be surprised” is not an answer.
August 18, 2010 at 8:55 PM #593492Participant[quote=sdrealtor] $1M is not a huge amount for someone with a household income of 200 to 300K.
[/quote]5x income? Seriously?
What % of households even make that much? “You’d be surprised” is not an answer.
August 18, 2010 at 8:55 PM #593604Participant[quote=sdrealtor] $1M is not a huge amount for someone with a household income of 200 to 300K.
[/quote]5x income? Seriously?
What % of households even make that much? “You’d be surprised” is not an answer.
August 18, 2010 at 8:55 PM #593914Participant[quote=sdrealtor] $1M is not a huge amount for someone with a household income of 200 to 300K.
[/quote]5x income? Seriously?
What % of households even make that much? “You’d be surprised” is not an answer.
August 18, 2010 at 9:01 PM #592866Participant[quote=sdrealtor]
Think of every business you regularly are a customer of. Someone owns that business and chances are they are making a good living off of it. If you are a salaried worker bee, its hard to relate but alot of self employed people make bank.[/quote]
Most people don’t make bank. Anecdotes of some that do don’t explain anything at the macro level.
August 18, 2010 at 9:01 PM #592963Participant[quote=sdrealtor]
Think of every business you regularly are a customer of. Someone owns that business and chances are they are making a good living off of it. If you are a salaried worker bee, its hard to relate but alot of self employed people make bank.[/quote]
Most people don’t make bank. Anecdotes of some that do don’t explain anything at the macro level.
August 18, 2010 at 9:01 PM #593497Participant[quote=sdrealtor]
Think of every business you regularly are a customer of. Someone owns that business and chances are they are making a good living off of it. If you are a salaried worker bee, its hard to relate but alot of self employed people make bank.[/quote]
Most people don’t make bank. Anecdotes of some that do don’t explain anything at the macro level.
August 18, 2010 at 9:01 PM #593609Participant[quote=sdrealtor]
Think of every business you regularly are a customer of. Someone owns that business and chances are they are making a good living off of it. If you are a salaried worker bee, its hard to relate but alot of self employed people make bank.[/quote]
Most people don’t make bank. Anecdotes of some that do don’t explain anything at the macro level.
August 18, 2010 at 9:01 PM #593919Participant[quote=sdrealtor]
Think of every business you regularly are a customer of. Someone owns that business and chances are they are making a good living off of it. If you are a salaried worker bee, its hard to relate but alot of self employed people make bank.[/quote]
Most people don’t make bank. Anecdotes of some that do don’t explain anything at the macro level.
August 18, 2010 at 9:06 PM #592871SD Realtor
ParticipantI think you and I end up commenting on the number of buyers and psychology of buyers as well as true inventory that these types of buyers are looking for about every 18 months or so.
People who are newer to the blogs and read our posts on this particular subject probably instantly lump us into the “you have to buy now” type of realtors due to the content. As more experienced piggs would know that is not the point we are making and if anything we are more bearish/realistic then most realtors. It is simply observations through the experiences we have had that most don’t because of their own professions.
The point you made about the people you deal with daily is stark. One current client I have is an x engineer who got laid off in the dot com era, then started a wine company on his own and is younger then both of us and essentially is retired. All this was done in the last 8 years. Another client of mine is quite wealthy and the guy sells freeking hot dogs at county fairs in California. He works six months a year at best. Another client who is quite well off sells pies. A different client owns a bakery. Another one was a young couple whose father was an architect for casinos. Another one actually lives in China but wants to move back here in a few years.
The point here is that this is just a sample of people who are quite well off, but who want decent homes, not La Jolla or Del Mar, but nice homes of quality in neighborhoods that are established and more desired. Maybe LCV, or 4S, or CV or Encinitas, Scripps…. None of these are your typical engineers or attorneys but I have had lots and lots of those to. I am not saying the pool is infinite but I am saying that as my 20 years as an electrical engineer I never really conceived of all the “other people” out there competing against me in the housing market. I am not a grizzled veteran of real estate by any means either but in the 7 years doing it I have ABSOLUTELY learned much more about the market and psychology of the marketplace then I could have learned not doing it. It is hard to describe and post about so it would not surprise me if people reading the posts that we make when we talk about this particular subject shake their heads and go bullshit. I think bearishgurl sees it to as she has obviously been quite involved in RE. Anyways this doesnt mean prices will be forever infinitely high. No place is immune, period. We all know and realize that. However we have seen the govt react to the first leg of what I feel will now be a VERY LONG secular decline in RE. Forget about the 6 year cycle we had in the 90s. We are in for a grueling one here folks. As I have maintained for awhile the next big leg down will need a catalyst that not even the govt can withstand and that will be bond market driven. Will not happen for awhile. In the interim though we should get some slogging action and hopefully we will see more inventory growth and slower sales as the recession that never ended continues. However it will be very uneven and different areas of desire will continue to do well even or maintain pricing. Just depends on the psychology of the buyers. They will always be there.
August 18, 2010 at 9:06 PM #592968ParticipantI think you and I end up commenting on the number of buyers and psychology of buyers as well as true inventory that these types of buyers are looking for about every 18 months or so.
People who are newer to the blogs and read our posts on this particular subject probably instantly lump us into the “you have to buy now” type of realtors due to the content. As more experienced piggs would know that is not the point we are making and if anything we are more bearish/realistic then most realtors. It is simply observations through the experiences we have had that most don’t because of their own professions.
The point you made about the people you deal with daily is stark. One current client I have is an x engineer who got laid off in the dot com era, then started a wine company on his own and is younger then both of us and essentially is retired. All this was done in the last 8 years. Another client of mine is quite wealthy and the guy sells freeking hot dogs at county fairs in California. He works six months a year at best. Another client who is quite well off sells pies. A different client owns a bakery. Another one was a young couple whose father was an architect for casinos. Another one actually lives in China but wants to move back here in a few years.
The point here is that this is just a sample of people who are quite well off, but who want decent homes, not La Jolla or Del Mar, but nice homes of quality in neighborhoods that are established and more desired. Maybe LCV, or 4S, or CV or Encinitas, Scripps…. None of these are your typical engineers or attorneys but I have had lots and lots of those to. I am not saying the pool is infinite but I am saying that as my 20 years as an electrical engineer I never really conceived of all the “other people” out there competing against me in the housing market. I am not a grizzled veteran of real estate by any means either but in the 7 years doing it I have ABSOLUTELY learned much more about the market and psychology of the marketplace then I could have learned not doing it. It is hard to describe and post about so it would not surprise me if people reading the posts that we make when we talk about this particular subject shake their heads and go bullshit. I think bearishgurl sees it to as she has obviously been quite involved in RE. Anyways this doesnt mean prices will be forever infinitely high. No place is immune, period. We all know and realize that. However we have seen the govt react to the first leg of what I feel will now be a VERY LONG secular decline in RE. Forget about the 6 year cycle we had in the 90s. We are in for a grueling one here folks. As I have maintained for awhile the next big leg down will need a catalyst that not even the govt can withstand and that will be bond market driven. Will not happen for awhile. In the interim though we should get some slogging action and hopefully we will see more inventory growth and slower sales as the recession that never ended continues. However it will be very uneven and different areas of desire will continue to do well even or maintain pricing. Just depends on the psychology of the buyers. They will always be there.
August 18, 2010 at 9:06 PM #593502ParticipantI think you and I end up commenting on the number of buyers and psychology of buyers as well as true inventory that these types of buyers are looking for about every 18 months or so.
People who are newer to the blogs and read our posts on this particular subject probably instantly lump us into the “you have to buy now” type of realtors due to the content. As more experienced piggs would know that is not the point we are making and if anything we are more bearish/realistic then most realtors. It is simply observations through the experiences we have had that most don’t because of their own professions.
The point you made about the people you deal with daily is stark. One current client I have is an x engineer who got laid off in the dot com era, then started a wine company on his own and is younger then both of us and essentially is retired. All this was done in the last 8 years. Another client of mine is quite wealthy and the guy sells freeking hot dogs at county fairs in California. He works six months a year at best. Another client who is quite well off sells pies. A different client owns a bakery. Another one was a young couple whose father was an architect for casinos. Another one actually lives in China but wants to move back here in a few years.
The point here is that this is just a sample of people who are quite well off, but who want decent homes, not La Jolla or Del Mar, but nice homes of quality in neighborhoods that are established and more desired. Maybe LCV, or 4S, or CV or Encinitas, Scripps…. None of these are your typical engineers or attorneys but I have had lots and lots of those to. I am not saying the pool is infinite but I am saying that as my 20 years as an electrical engineer I never really conceived of all the “other people” out there competing against me in the housing market. I am not a grizzled veteran of real estate by any means either but in the 7 years doing it I have ABSOLUTELY learned much more about the market and psychology of the marketplace then I could have learned not doing it. It is hard to describe and post about so it would not surprise me if people reading the posts that we make when we talk about this particular subject shake their heads and go bullshit. I think bearishgurl sees it to as she has obviously been quite involved in RE. Anyways this doesnt mean prices will be forever infinitely high. No place is immune, period. We all know and realize that. However we have seen the govt react to the first leg of what I feel will now be a VERY LONG secular decline in RE. Forget about the 6 year cycle we had in the 90s. We are in for a grueling one here folks. As I have maintained for awhile the next big leg down will need a catalyst that not even the govt can withstand and that will be bond market driven. Will not happen for awhile. In the interim though we should get some slogging action and hopefully we will see more inventory growth and slower sales as the recession that never ended continues. However it will be very uneven and different areas of desire will continue to do well even or maintain pricing. Just depends on the psychology of the buyers. They will always be there.
August 18, 2010 at 9:06 PM #593613ParticipantI think you and I end up commenting on the number of buyers and psychology of buyers as well as true inventory that these types of buyers are looking for about every 18 months or so.
People who are newer to the blogs and read our posts on this particular subject probably instantly lump us into the “you have to buy now” type of realtors due to the content. As more experienced piggs would know that is not the point we are making and if anything we are more bearish/realistic then most realtors. It is simply observations through the experiences we have had that most don’t because of their own professions.
The point you made about the people you deal with daily is stark. One current client I have is an x engineer who got laid off in the dot com era, then started a wine company on his own and is younger then both of us and essentially is retired. All this was done in the last 8 years. Another client of mine is quite wealthy and the guy sells freeking hot dogs at county fairs in California. He works six months a year at best. Another client who is quite well off sells pies. A different client owns a bakery. Another one was a young couple whose father was an architect for casinos. Another one actually lives in China but wants to move back here in a few years.
The point here is that this is just a sample of people who are quite well off, but who want decent homes, not La Jolla or Del Mar, but nice homes of quality in neighborhoods that are established and more desired. Maybe LCV, or 4S, or CV or Encinitas, Scripps…. None of these are your typical engineers or attorneys but I have had lots and lots of those to. I am not saying the pool is infinite but I am saying that as my 20 years as an electrical engineer I never really conceived of all the “other people” out there competing against me in the housing market. I am not a grizzled veteran of real estate by any means either but in the 7 years doing it I have ABSOLUTELY learned much more about the market and psychology of the marketplace then I could have learned not doing it. It is hard to describe and post about so it would not surprise me if people reading the posts that we make when we talk about this particular subject shake their heads and go bullshit. I think bearishgurl sees it to as she has obviously been quite involved in RE. Anyways this doesnt mean prices will be forever infinitely high. No place is immune, period. We all know and realize that. However we have seen the govt react to the first leg of what I feel will now be a VERY LONG secular decline in RE. Forget about the 6 year cycle we had in the 90s. We are in for a grueling one here folks. As I have maintained for awhile the next big leg down will need a catalyst that not even the govt can withstand and that will be bond market driven. Will not happen for awhile. In the interim though we should get some slogging action and hopefully we will see more inventory growth and slower sales as the recession that never ended continues. However it will be very uneven and different areas of desire will continue to do well even or maintain pricing. Just depends on the psychology of the buyers. They will always be there.
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