Schwarzenegger backs state services to immigrants

[Rt.66]

[quote=condogrrl]To all of you who are so sympathetic to people in the US illegally: how would you feel if your social security number were stolen and used by one of these illegals? If you don’t mind at all, then please post it here so one of us can sell it outside the local Home Depot.

Read a few stories of people who have had to try to clean up the mess of their identity after it was stolen by an illegal.[/quote]

I have a niece who had hers stolen by an illegal when she was under 16. She did not find out about it until applying for her first job. You have NO idea how much of a shitstorm this is. Basically she has to work to fix it. No help from nobody. Ain’t America great?

They told her who it is, where he lives and what he has been doing with her SS#. All good info until they tell you that they are not interested in fixing it for you, have a nice day 🙂

In a perverted kind of way its like a possesion is 9/10th kinda thing.

[Rt.66]

Oh yeah, If I’m a teacher or bookeeper or office manager who is in debt from 4 years of college and learn I’m losing my job at XYZ school and I hear Arnold spout this stuff….I’m really bummed. Now I’m knocked down to poverty level 🙁

[Rt.66]

Oh yeah, If I’m a teacher or bookeeper or office manager who is in debt from 4 years of college and learn I’m losing my job at XYZ school and I hear Arnold spout this stuff….I’m really bummed. Now I’m knocked down to poverty level 🙁

[Rt.66]

Oh yeah, If I’m a teacher or bookeeper or office manager who is in debt from 4 years of college and learn I’m losing my job at XYZ school and I hear Arnold spout this stuff….I’m really bummed. Now I’m knocked down to poverty level 🙁

[Rt.66]

Oh yeah, If I’m a teacher or bookeeper or office manager who is in debt from 4 years of college and learn I’m losing my job at XYZ school and I hear Arnold spout this stuff….I’m really bummed. Now I’m knocked down to poverty level 🙁

[Rt.66]

Oh yeah, If I’m a teacher or bookeeper or office manager who is in debt from 4 years of college and learn I’m losing my job at XYZ school and I hear Arnold spout this stuff….I’m really bummed. Now I’m knocked down to poverty level 🙁

[UCGal]

[quote=FormerSanDiegan]Why not institute a guest worker program that requires a state permit (and maybe a federal one too while we are at it) ?

Make the state permit for CA $100 monthly for any month in which a worker is used, paid for by the company.

That’s 1200 per year per worker. If there are 4 million guest workers, this would approximately cover the $5B shortfall. If not, scale the fees up.

Make the fines for not registering a factor of 10 or 20x higher than the permit and generate additional revenue. Use this additional revenue to pay for the enforcement, e.g. through a bounty system. I am sure that some of the workers would report the employees to collect the bounty, thus forcing the employers to comply with the permit process.

[/quote]

I like this idea. I’ve always felt that the easiest way to solve the problem of undocumented workers is to punish the employers that hire them. If it is BAD for business to hire undocumented workers, they won’t do it… and the workers will migrate back home. If business really needs the workers – they’ll be willing to pay to semi-legitimize them with a guest worker permit.

It always amazes me when I read about a chicken processing plant in the south or a kosher meat plant in the midwest getting an INS sweep – hundreds of workers hauled off – AND NO MANAGERS. You cannot convince me that the management of these businesses are unaware of the illegal status of their workforce.

Like any relationship – the worker/employer relationship has two parties. Both are breaking the law if the worker is undocumented.

[UCGal]

[quote=FormerSanDiegan]Why not institute a guest worker program that requires a state permit (and maybe a federal one too while we are at it) ?

Make the state permit for CA $100 monthly for any month in which a worker is used, paid for by the company.

That’s 1200 per year per worker. If there are 4 million guest workers, this would approximately cover the $5B shortfall. If not, scale the fees up.

Make the fines for not registering a factor of 10 or 20x higher than the permit and generate additional revenue. Use this additional revenue to pay for the enforcement, e.g. through a bounty system. I am sure that some of the workers would report the employees to collect the bounty, thus forcing the employers to comply with the permit process.

[/quote]

I like this idea. I’ve always felt that the easiest way to solve the problem of undocumented workers is to punish the employers that hire them. If it is BAD for business to hire undocumented workers, they won’t do it… and the workers will migrate back home. If business really needs the workers – they’ll be willing to pay to semi-legitimize them with a guest worker permit.

It always amazes me when I read about a chicken processing plant in the south or a kosher meat plant in the midwest getting an INS sweep – hundreds of workers hauled off – AND NO MANAGERS. You cannot convince me that the management of these businesses are unaware of the illegal status of their workforce.

Like any relationship – the worker/employer relationship has two parties. Both are breaking the law if the worker is undocumented.

[UCGal]

[quote=FormerSanDiegan]Why not institute a guest worker program that requires a state permit (and maybe a federal one too while we are at it) ?

Make the state permit for CA $100 monthly for any month in which a worker is used, paid for by the company.

That’s 1200 per year per worker. If there are 4 million guest workers, this would approximately cover the $5B shortfall. If not, scale the fees up.

Make the fines for not registering a factor of 10 or 20x higher than the permit and generate additional revenue. Use this additional revenue to pay for the enforcement, e.g. through a bounty system. I am sure that some of the workers would report the employees to collect the bounty, thus forcing the employers to comply with the permit process.

[/quote]

I like this idea. I’ve always felt that the easiest way to solve the problem of undocumented workers is to punish the employers that hire them. If it is BAD for business to hire undocumented workers, they won’t do it… and the workers will migrate back home. If business really needs the workers – they’ll be willing to pay to semi-legitimize them with a guest worker permit.

It always amazes me when I read about a chicken processing plant in the south or a kosher meat plant in the midwest getting an INS sweep – hundreds of workers hauled off – AND NO MANAGERS. You cannot convince me that the management of these businesses are unaware of the illegal status of their workforce.

Like any relationship – the worker/employer relationship has two parties. Both are breaking the law if the worker is undocumented.

[UCGal]

[quote=FormerSanDiegan]Why not institute a guest worker program that requires a state permit (and maybe a federal one too while we are at it) ?

Make the state permit for CA $100 monthly for any month in which a worker is used, paid for by the company.

That’s 1200 per year per worker. If there are 4 million guest workers, this would approximately cover the $5B shortfall. If not, scale the fees up.

Make the fines for not registering a factor of 10 or 20x higher than the permit and generate additional revenue. Use this additional revenue to pay for the enforcement, e.g. through a bounty system. I am sure that some of the workers would report the employees to collect the bounty, thus forcing the employers to comply with the permit process.

[/quote]

I like this idea. I’ve always felt that the easiest way to solve the problem of undocumented workers is to punish the employers that hire them. If it is BAD for business to hire undocumented workers, they won’t do it… and the workers will migrate back home. If business really needs the workers – they’ll be willing to pay to semi-legitimize them with a guest worker permit.

It always amazes me when I read about a chicken processing plant in the south or a kosher meat plant in the midwest getting an INS sweep – hundreds of workers hauled off – AND NO MANAGERS. You cannot convince me that the management of these businesses are unaware of the illegal status of their workforce.

Like any relationship – the worker/employer relationship has two parties. Both are breaking the law if the worker is undocumented.

[UCGal]

[quote=FormerSanDiegan]Why not institute a guest worker program that requires a state permit (and maybe a federal one too while we are at it) ?

Make the state permit for CA $100 monthly for any month in which a worker is used, paid for by the company.

That’s 1200 per year per worker. If there are 4 million guest workers, this would approximately cover the $5B shortfall. If not, scale the fees up.

Make the fines for not registering a factor of 10 or 20x higher than the permit and generate additional revenue. Use this additional revenue to pay for the enforcement, e.g. through a bounty system. I am sure that some of the workers would report the employees to collect the bounty, thus forcing the employers to comply with the permit process.

[/quote]

I like this idea. I’ve always felt that the easiest way to solve the problem of undocumented workers is to punish the employers that hire them. If it is BAD for business to hire undocumented workers, they won’t do it… and the workers will migrate back home. If business really needs the workers – they’ll be willing to pay to semi-legitimize them with a guest worker permit.

It always amazes me when I read about a chicken processing plant in the south or a kosher meat plant in the midwest getting an INS sweep – hundreds of workers hauled off – AND NO MANAGERS. You cannot convince me that the management of these businesses are unaware of the illegal status of their workforce.

Like any relationship – the worker/employer relationship has two parties. Both are breaking the law if the worker is undocumented.

[CA renter]

[quote=peterb]I think You’re alluding to supply and demand forces. We can have assets increase in price in other ways besides population growth. We can also have supply constraints for any number of reasons. We can have wage growth as well to push prices up.

Cheap labour is a device to create an increase in profit margin while maintaining product price. But as we are now seeing, cheap labour comes at a societal and real $$ cost. Especially nowadays when there’s substantial social welfare in the system and the economy contracts.[/quote]

BINGO!!!

Let those who profit from the illegal labor pay for it themselves — including all the expenses incurred by the govt for any and all dependents. The businesses who hire illegal workers should be the only ones to shoulder these costs. Additionally, for those who favor illegal immigration, they can set up a fund that can be used to help pay for any additional expenses.

Illegal labor is “cheap” only because the rest of society is **forced** to shoulder the financial and social burdens of illegal immigration — subsidizing the profit margins of these companies.

Trying to decimate the middle class in the U.S. (which is comprised of all races and nationalities, BTW) is NOT going to make people in/from the developing countries any richer. There is a huge gap in the logic behind the pro-illegal immigration movement.

[CA renter]

[quote=peterb]I think You’re alluding to supply and demand forces. We can have assets increase in price in other ways besides population growth. We can also have supply constraints for any number of reasons. We can have wage growth as well to push prices up.

Cheap labour is a device to create an increase in profit margin while maintaining product price. But as we are now seeing, cheap labour comes at a societal and real $$ cost. Especially nowadays when there’s substantial social welfare in the system and the economy contracts.[/quote]

BINGO!!!

Let those who profit from the illegal labor pay for it themselves — including all the expenses incurred by the govt for any and all dependents. The businesses who hire illegal workers should be the only ones to shoulder these costs. Additionally, for those who favor illegal immigration, they can set up a fund that can be used to help pay for any additional expenses.

Illegal labor is “cheap” only because the rest of society is **forced** to shoulder the financial and social burdens of illegal immigration — subsidizing the profit margins of these companies.

Trying to decimate the middle class in the U.S. (which is comprised of all races and nationalities, BTW) is NOT going to make people in/from the developing countries any richer. There is a huge gap in the logic behind the pro-illegal immigration movement.

[CA renter]

[quote=peterb]I think You’re alluding to supply and demand forces. We can have assets increase in price in other ways besides population growth. We can also have supply constraints for any number of reasons. We can have wage growth as well to push prices up.

Cheap labour is a device to create an increase in profit margin while maintaining product price. But as we are now seeing, cheap labour comes at a societal and real $$ cost. Especially nowadays when there’s substantial social welfare in the system and the economy contracts.[/quote]

BINGO!!!

Let those who profit from the illegal labor pay for it themselves — including all the expenses incurred by the govt for any and all dependents. The businesses who hire illegal workers should be the only ones to shoulder these costs. Additionally, for those who favor illegal immigration, they can set up a fund that can be used to help pay for any additional expenses.

Illegal labor is “cheap” only because the rest of society is **forced** to shoulder the financial and social burdens of illegal immigration — subsidizing the profit margins of these companies.

Trying to decimate the middle class in the U.S. (which is comprised of all races and nationalities, BTW) is NOT going to make people in/from the developing countries any richer. There is a huge gap in the logic behind the pro-illegal immigration movement.

[CA renter]

[quote=peterb]I think You’re alluding to supply and demand forces. We can have assets increase in price in other ways besides population growth. We can also have supply constraints for any number of reasons. We can have wage growth as well to push prices up.

Cheap labour is a device to create an increase in profit margin while maintaining product price. But as we are now seeing, cheap labour comes at a societal and real $$ cost. Especially nowadays when there’s substantial social welfare in the system and the economy contracts.[/quote]

BINGO!!!

Let those who profit from the illegal labor pay for it themselves — including all the expenses incurred by the govt for any and all dependents. The businesses who hire illegal workers should be the only ones to shoulder these costs. Additionally, for those who favor illegal immigration, they can set up a fund that can be used to help pay for any additional expenses.

Illegal labor is “cheap” only because the rest of society is **forced** to shoulder the financial and social burdens of illegal immigration — subsidizing the profit margins of these companies.

Trying to decimate the middle class in the U.S. (which is comprised of all races and nationalities, BTW) is NOT going to make people in/from the developing countries any richer. There is a huge gap in the logic behind the pro-illegal immigration movement.

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