Schwarzenegger backs state services to immigrants

[no_such_reality]

[quote=Russell]

Not sure what I would do but the idea is to DO SOMETHING on a pain sharing plan, while hopefully real work to do something better with this state’s management is done.[/quote]

What exactly do you call all the tax and fee increases they’ve already enacted?

[peterb]

I think You’re alluding to supply and demand forces. We can have assets increase in price in other ways besides population growth. We can also have supply constraints for any number of reasons. We can have wage growth as well to push prices up.

Cheap labour is a device to create an increase in profit margin while maintaining product price. But as we are now seeing, cheap labour comes at a societal and real $$ cost. Especially nowadays when there’s substantial social welfare in the system and the economy contracts.

[peterb]

I think You’re alluding to supply and demand forces. We can have assets increase in price in other ways besides population growth. We can also have supply constraints for any number of reasons. We can have wage growth as well to push prices up.

Cheap labour is a device to create an increase in profit margin while maintaining product price. But as we are now seeing, cheap labour comes at a societal and real $$ cost. Especially nowadays when there’s substantial social welfare in the system and the economy contracts.

[peterb]

I think You’re alluding to supply and demand forces. We can have assets increase in price in other ways besides population growth. We can also have supply constraints for any number of reasons. We can have wage growth as well to push prices up.

Cheap labour is a device to create an increase in profit margin while maintaining product price. But as we are now seeing, cheap labour comes at a societal and real $$ cost. Especially nowadays when there’s substantial social welfare in the system and the economy contracts.

[peterb]

I think You’re alluding to supply and demand forces. We can have assets increase in price in other ways besides population growth. We can also have supply constraints for any number of reasons. We can have wage growth as well to push prices up.

Cheap labour is a device to create an increase in profit margin while maintaining product price. But as we are now seeing, cheap labour comes at a societal and real $$ cost. Especially nowadays when there’s substantial social welfare in the system and the economy contracts.

[peterb]

I think You’re alluding to supply and demand forces. We can have assets increase in price in other ways besides population growth. We can also have supply constraints for any number of reasons. We can have wage growth as well to push prices up.

Cheap labour is a device to create an increase in profit margin while maintaining product price. But as we are now seeing, cheap labour comes at a societal and real $$ cost. Especially nowadays when there’s substantial social welfare in the system and the economy contracts.

[kicksavedave]

Really, we should just send them all home, or at least while they are here don’t give them any medicine at all. I won’t mind paying $14 for a head of lettuce, $11 per avocado, and $15 for an artichoke. Who needs produce anyway, its a luxury, right? Oh, and that new home I was looking to purchase, I won’t mind paying 25% more for it, no problem. And since my office will be cleaned every day by good ole USA born workers, that cost will go up too… but hey, as long as its not me that gets laid off to compensate for that increased cost, its all good. Sorry Joe, I know you have a wife and kids, but I wanted my office cleaned by only documented pure bred ‘Merican citizens. I know there is an opening for tomato pickers in Oceanside. Good luck to ya…

10% unemployment in this country and we, as a population, still don’t want to do the work that immigrants do all day long. We get what we deserve, as a population.

BTW, besides a symbolic piece of paper, what’s the difference between a legal immigrant and illegal alien? Really?

[kicksavedave]

Really, we should just send them all home, or at least while they are here don’t give them any medicine at all. I won’t mind paying $14 for a head of lettuce, $11 per avocado, and $15 for an artichoke. Who needs produce anyway, its a luxury, right? Oh, and that new home I was looking to purchase, I won’t mind paying 25% more for it, no problem. And since my office will be cleaned every day by good ole USA born workers, that cost will go up too… but hey, as long as its not me that gets laid off to compensate for that increased cost, its all good. Sorry Joe, I know you have a wife and kids, but I wanted my office cleaned by only documented pure bred ‘Merican citizens. I know there is an opening for tomato pickers in Oceanside. Good luck to ya…

10% unemployment in this country and we, as a population, still don’t want to do the work that immigrants do all day long. We get what we deserve, as a population.

BTW, besides a symbolic piece of paper, what’s the difference between a legal immigrant and illegal alien? Really?

[kicksavedave]

Really, we should just send them all home, or at least while they are here don’t give them any medicine at all. I won’t mind paying $14 for a head of lettuce, $11 per avocado, and $15 for an artichoke. Who needs produce anyway, its a luxury, right? Oh, and that new home I was looking to purchase, I won’t mind paying 25% more for it, no problem. And since my office will be cleaned every day by good ole USA born workers, that cost will go up too… but hey, as long as its not me that gets laid off to compensate for that increased cost, its all good. Sorry Joe, I know you have a wife and kids, but I wanted my office cleaned by only documented pure bred ‘Merican citizens. I know there is an opening for tomato pickers in Oceanside. Good luck to ya…

10% unemployment in this country and we, as a population, still don’t want to do the work that immigrants do all day long. We get what we deserve, as a population.

BTW, besides a symbolic piece of paper, what’s the difference between a legal immigrant and illegal alien? Really?

[kicksavedave]

Really, we should just send them all home, or at least while they are here don’t give them any medicine at all. I won’t mind paying $14 for a head of lettuce, $11 per avocado, and $15 for an artichoke. Who needs produce anyway, its a luxury, right? Oh, and that new home I was looking to purchase, I won’t mind paying 25% more for it, no problem. And since my office will be cleaned every day by good ole USA born workers, that cost will go up too… but hey, as long as its not me that gets laid off to compensate for that increased cost, its all good. Sorry Joe, I know you have a wife and kids, but I wanted my office cleaned by only documented pure bred ‘Merican citizens. I know there is an opening for tomato pickers in Oceanside. Good luck to ya…

10% unemployment in this country and we, as a population, still don’t want to do the work that immigrants do all day long. We get what we deserve, as a population.

BTW, besides a symbolic piece of paper, what’s the difference between a legal immigrant and illegal alien? Really?

[kicksavedave]

Really, we should just send them all home, or at least while they are here don’t give them any medicine at all. I won’t mind paying $14 for a head of lettuce, $11 per avocado, and $15 for an artichoke. Who needs produce anyway, its a luxury, right? Oh, and that new home I was looking to purchase, I won’t mind paying 25% more for it, no problem. And since my office will be cleaned every day by good ole USA born workers, that cost will go up too… but hey, as long as its not me that gets laid off to compensate for that increased cost, its all good. Sorry Joe, I know you have a wife and kids, but I wanted my office cleaned by only documented pure bred ‘Merican citizens. I know there is an opening for tomato pickers in Oceanside. Good luck to ya…

10% unemployment in this country and we, as a population, still don’t want to do the work that immigrants do all day long. We get what we deserve, as a population.

BTW, besides a symbolic piece of paper, what’s the difference between a legal immigrant and illegal alien? Really?

[meadandale]

Thanks dave for posting up the same old canards of the pro illegal immigrant movement.

$14 for a head of lettuce? Please..

A head of lettuce is currently under a buck (about $0.65 last time I checked). If it is being picked by $8/hr immigrant labor and half of the cost of the lettuce is labor, let’s raise the wage of lettuce pickers (legal ones) to $24/hr. That’s a 300% increase. How many people do you think would line up to pick lettuce at $24/hr? I’d say a fair amount. And this would raise the cost of a head of lettuce to about $1.50.

Let’s see, when I was in high school, I

1) washed dishes in 3 different restaurants
2) dug trenches
3) worked as a mover

My friends worked in landscaping and as manual labor on farms and ranches. This was on the central coast of CA.

These are all jobs that are done by illegals now.

Why? For many reasons. Much of it is cultural; parents over the last 25 years have instilled a sense of entitlement in their children. Many (most) don’t even work in high school anymore or even college. If they DO work, they won’t do this ‘menial’ work because they’ve been taught it’s ‘beneath’ them by these same parents.

There is no lack of able bodied US citizens to do much of this work that we now consider ‘immigrant’ work…just look at the unemployment. But why would these people work if they can just receive a government check?

[meadandale]

Thanks dave for posting up the same old canards of the pro illegal immigrant movement.

$14 for a head of lettuce? Please..

A head of lettuce is currently under a buck (about $0.65 last time I checked). If it is being picked by $8/hr immigrant labor and half of the cost of the lettuce is labor, let’s raise the wage of lettuce pickers (legal ones) to $24/hr. That’s a 300% increase. How many people do you think would line up to pick lettuce at $24/hr? I’d say a fair amount. And this would raise the cost of a head of lettuce to about $1.50.

Let’s see, when I was in high school, I

1) washed dishes in 3 different restaurants
2) dug trenches
3) worked as a mover

My friends worked in landscaping and as manual labor on farms and ranches. This was on the central coast of CA.

These are all jobs that are done by illegals now.

Why? For many reasons. Much of it is cultural; parents over the last 25 years have instilled a sense of entitlement in their children. Many (most) don’t even work in high school anymore or even college. If they DO work, they won’t do this ‘menial’ work because they’ve been taught it’s ‘beneath’ them by these same parents.

There is no lack of able bodied US citizens to do much of this work that we now consider ‘immigrant’ work…just look at the unemployment. But why would these people work if they can just receive a government check?

[meadandale]

Thanks dave for posting up the same old canards of the pro illegal immigrant movement.

$14 for a head of lettuce? Please..

A head of lettuce is currently under a buck (about $0.65 last time I checked). If it is being picked by $8/hr immigrant labor and half of the cost of the lettuce is labor, let’s raise the wage of lettuce pickers (legal ones) to $24/hr. That’s a 300% increase. How many people do you think would line up to pick lettuce at $24/hr? I’d say a fair amount. And this would raise the cost of a head of lettuce to about $1.50.

Let’s see, when I was in high school, I

1) washed dishes in 3 different restaurants
2) dug trenches
3) worked as a mover

My friends worked in landscaping and as manual labor on farms and ranches. This was on the central coast of CA.

These are all jobs that are done by illegals now.

Why? For many reasons. Much of it is cultural; parents over the last 25 years have instilled a sense of entitlement in their children. Many (most) don’t even work in high school anymore or even college. If they DO work, they won’t do this ‘menial’ work because they’ve been taught it’s ‘beneath’ them by these same parents.

There is no lack of able bodied US citizens to do much of this work that we now consider ‘immigrant’ work…just look at the unemployment. But why would these people work if they can just receive a government check?

[meadandale]

Thanks dave for posting up the same old canards of the pro illegal immigrant movement.

$14 for a head of lettuce? Please..

A head of lettuce is currently under a buck (about $0.65 last time I checked). If it is being picked by $8/hr immigrant labor and half of the cost of the lettuce is labor, let’s raise the wage of lettuce pickers (legal ones) to $24/hr. That’s a 300% increase. How many people do you think would line up to pick lettuce at $24/hr? I’d say a fair amount. And this would raise the cost of a head of lettuce to about $1.50.

Let’s see, when I was in high school, I

1) washed dishes in 3 different restaurants
2) dug trenches
3) worked as a mover

My friends worked in landscaping and as manual labor on farms and ranches. This was on the central coast of CA.

These are all jobs that are done by illegals now.

Why? For many reasons. Much of it is cultural; parents over the last 25 years have instilled a sense of entitlement in their children. Many (most) don’t even work in high school anymore or even college. If they DO work, they won’t do this ‘menial’ work because they’ve been taught it’s ‘beneath’ them by these same parents.

There is no lack of able bodied US citizens to do much of this work that we now consider ‘immigrant’ work…just look at the unemployment. But why would these people work if they can just receive a government check?

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