Salary for Sr. Java Engineer

[Coronita]

[quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.

[larrylujack]

[quote=flu][quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.[/quote]

actually, I do,
business is so-so in India, but CN is booming.

no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….

[larrylujack]

[quote=flu][quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.[/quote]

actually, I do,
business is so-so in India, but CN is booming.

no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….

[larrylujack]

[quote=flu][quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.[/quote]

actually, I do,
business is so-so in India, but CN is booming.

no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….

[larrylujack]

[quote=flu][quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.[/quote]

actually, I do,
business is so-so in India, but CN is booming.

no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….

[larrylujack]

[quote=flu][quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.[/quote]

actually, I do,
business is so-so in India, but CN is booming.

no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….

[Coronita]

[quote=larrylujack][quote=flu][quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.[/quote]

actually, I do,
business is so-so in India, but CN is booming.

no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….[/quote]

I don’t take myself or anyone seriously, but I think you’re full of crap, because the first question is when you say “software engineers are a dime a dozen” tells me you probably aren’t in this business in detail to distinguish the diferences.

So, if you are in the know, please specify which ones…If you’re talking about script kiddies, I’d agree, if you’re talking about a dead J2EE field, I’d agree. If you’re talking about some posers “programmer” but can’t design architecture/systems, I agree. But, let’s last time I checked, I was having issues finding well qualified embedded architects/designers who knew what they were doing. If so, I have a contact that can fill a few positions that pay quite well about these levels.

I work with offices in india, china, korea, us, europe, BTW, and we had a tough time filling the reqs in the U.S…

Have you ever had to deal with software you sent to somewhere like China, only to get it back with a bunch of the most horrid code, even with some of the easiest/stupid shit totally fvcked up like method names completely misspelled (getRecievedPakcetTipe()) in a public API you give to customers, after supposedly it was code/design reviewed, blocking/synchronous calls across networks with high latency ??? Perhaps it doesn’t matter if you’re just putting a crap website together or something like that…But hardly acceptable or usable if you need to give these to high tech companies.

I think the suckers are more the fresh MBA’s trying to find work doing paper pushing and trying to “manage ideas” using outsourced work, having absolutely no experience doing it..Or the dream of just managing with no experience….I wish those folks good luck…particularly in this economy.

[Coronita]

[quote=larrylujack][quote=flu][quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.[/quote]

actually, I do,
business is so-so in India, but CN is booming.

no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….[/quote]

I don’t take myself or anyone seriously, but I think you’re full of crap, because the first question is when you say “software engineers are a dime a dozen” tells me you probably aren’t in this business in detail to distinguish the diferences.

So, if you are in the know, please specify which ones…If you’re talking about script kiddies, I’d agree, if you’re talking about a dead J2EE field, I’d agree. If you’re talking about some posers “programmer” but can’t design architecture/systems, I agree. But, let’s last time I checked, I was having issues finding well qualified embedded architects/designers who knew what they were doing. If so, I have a contact that can fill a few positions that pay quite well about these levels.

I work with offices in india, china, korea, us, europe, BTW, and we had a tough time filling the reqs in the U.S…

Have you ever had to deal with software you sent to somewhere like China, only to get it back with a bunch of the most horrid code, even with some of the easiest/stupid shit totally fvcked up like method names completely misspelled (getRecievedPakcetTipe()) in a public API you give to customers, after supposedly it was code/design reviewed, blocking/synchronous calls across networks with high latency ??? Perhaps it doesn’t matter if you’re just putting a crap website together or something like that…But hardly acceptable or usable if you need to give these to high tech companies.

I think the suckers are more the fresh MBA’s trying to find work doing paper pushing and trying to “manage ideas” using outsourced work, having absolutely no experience doing it..Or the dream of just managing with no experience….I wish those folks good luck…particularly in this economy.

[Coronita]

[quote=larrylujack][quote=flu][quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.[/quote]

actually, I do,
business is so-so in India, but CN is booming.

no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….[/quote]

I don’t take myself or anyone seriously, but I think you’re full of crap, because the first question is when you say “software engineers are a dime a dozen” tells me you probably aren’t in this business in detail to distinguish the diferences.

So, if you are in the know, please specify which ones…If you’re talking about script kiddies, I’d agree, if you’re talking about a dead J2EE field, I’d agree. If you’re talking about some posers “programmer” but can’t design architecture/systems, I agree. But, let’s last time I checked, I was having issues finding well qualified embedded architects/designers who knew what they were doing. If so, I have a contact that can fill a few positions that pay quite well about these levels.

I work with offices in india, china, korea, us, europe, BTW, and we had a tough time filling the reqs in the U.S…

Have you ever had to deal with software you sent to somewhere like China, only to get it back with a bunch of the most horrid code, even with some of the easiest/stupid shit totally fvcked up like method names completely misspelled (getRecievedPakcetTipe()) in a public API you give to customers, after supposedly it was code/design reviewed, blocking/synchronous calls across networks with high latency ??? Perhaps it doesn’t matter if you’re just putting a crap website together or something like that…But hardly acceptable or usable if you need to give these to high tech companies.

I think the suckers are more the fresh MBA’s trying to find work doing paper pushing and trying to “manage ideas” using outsourced work, having absolutely no experience doing it..Or the dream of just managing with no experience….I wish those folks good luck…particularly in this economy.

[Coronita]

[quote=larrylujack][quote=flu][quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.[/quote]

actually, I do,
business is so-so in India, but CN is booming.

no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….[/quote]

I don’t take myself or anyone seriously, but I think you’re full of crap, because the first question is when you say “software engineers are a dime a dozen” tells me you probably aren’t in this business in detail to distinguish the diferences.

So, if you are in the know, please specify which ones…If you’re talking about script kiddies, I’d agree, if you’re talking about a dead J2EE field, I’d agree. If you’re talking about some posers “programmer” but can’t design architecture/systems, I agree. But, let’s last time I checked, I was having issues finding well qualified embedded architects/designers who knew what they were doing. If so, I have a contact that can fill a few positions that pay quite well about these levels.

I work with offices in india, china, korea, us, europe, BTW, and we had a tough time filling the reqs in the U.S…

Have you ever had to deal with software you sent to somewhere like China, only to get it back with a bunch of the most horrid code, even with some of the easiest/stupid shit totally fvcked up like method names completely misspelled (getRecievedPakcetTipe()) in a public API you give to customers, after supposedly it was code/design reviewed, blocking/synchronous calls across networks with high latency ??? Perhaps it doesn’t matter if you’re just putting a crap website together or something like that…But hardly acceptable or usable if you need to give these to high tech companies.

I think the suckers are more the fresh MBA’s trying to find work doing paper pushing and trying to “manage ideas” using outsourced work, having absolutely no experience doing it..Or the dream of just managing with no experience….I wish those folks good luck…particularly in this economy.

[Coronita]

[quote=larrylujack][quote=flu][quote=larrylujack][quote=dd123]$120K for a 10 year experienced Java programmer is absolute fine. This is coming from a person with similar background.[/quote]

until next year when the fella In Bhopal takes yer job, since yer fungible.

good luck with the whole world trade economy BS thing.

suckas….[/quote]

Whatever dude. Obviously, you haven’t checked the latest rates in india. It’s not necessarily cheaper these days.

Besides, it beats being unemployed.[/quote]

actually, I do,
business is so-so in India, but CN is booming.

no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….[/quote]

I don’t take myself or anyone seriously, but I think you’re full of crap, because the first question is when you say “software engineers are a dime a dozen” tells me you probably aren’t in this business in detail to distinguish the diferences.

So, if you are in the know, please specify which ones…If you’re talking about script kiddies, I’d agree, if you’re talking about a dead J2EE field, I’d agree. If you’re talking about some posers “programmer” but can’t design architecture/systems, I agree. But, let’s last time I checked, I was having issues finding well qualified embedded architects/designers who knew what they were doing. If so, I have a contact that can fill a few positions that pay quite well about these levels.

I work with offices in india, china, korea, us, europe, BTW, and we had a tough time filling the reqs in the U.S…

Have you ever had to deal with software you sent to somewhere like China, only to get it back with a bunch of the most horrid code, even with some of the easiest/stupid shit totally fvcked up like method names completely misspelled (getRecievedPakcetTipe()) in a public API you give to customers, after supposedly it was code/design reviewed, blocking/synchronous calls across networks with high latency ??? Perhaps it doesn’t matter if you’re just putting a crap website together or something like that…But hardly acceptable or usable if you need to give these to high tech companies.

I think the suckers are more the fresh MBA’s trying to find work doing paper pushing and trying to “manage ideas” using outsourced work, having absolutely no experience doing it..Or the dream of just managing with no experience….I wish those folks good luck…particularly in this economy.

[ucodegen]

[quote larrylujack]
no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….
[/quote]
Sounds like typical MBA think. Completely ignores skill levels, experience, and ‘rate of production’. Rate of production is hard to quantify, though the most ‘popular’ and overused is SLOC/hr. The reason why SLOC/hr is not that good is that some software engineers can write the same function in software with far fewer SLOC than another.

Kind of reminds me of my experience where I was laid off. A new VP of the division came in and chopped the ‘highly compensated’ software engineers and other ‘highly compensated’ employees, except ironically; management layers. He completely ignored the capability of the people he laid off and didn’t allow projects to ‘bid’ on people being laid off on the condition that they release a certain number of their own.

The result was a lot of bad feeling, since the “laid off” were long-timers that were responsible for a lot of what the company had come up and were the ‘go-to’ people for technical questions.. what is the use of company loyalty? Now the company has re-hired several of these people, including myself, as ‘consultants’ or ‘part time’ to get the work complete. Some of them refused to come back to work for the company.

The whole purpose of the layoff was to reduce the cost structure so that the burden rate was less.. after the layoff, the burden rate actually went up — oops.

[quote flu]
even with some of the easiest/stupid shit totally fvcked up like method names completely misspelled (getRecievedPakcetTipe()) in a public API you give to customers, after supposedly it was code/design reviewed, blocking/synchronous calls across networks with high latency ???
[/quote]
The last one, is one I have seen too much of.. as well as very poorly structured code. Code that almost looked like.. “well, lets try this.. no that didn’t work.. lets try this.. no that didn’t work either” style of software engineering. I have also run across several multiprocessor race conditions in code, not protected by a semaphore/guard.

When I was going through College, I used to TA software engineering courses. Through experience, I found that some people had an innate ability, some people were more ‘mechanical’ about it and others just could not ‘get it’.

[ucodegen]

[quote larrylujack]
no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….
[/quote]
Sounds like typical MBA think. Completely ignores skill levels, experience, and ‘rate of production’. Rate of production is hard to quantify, though the most ‘popular’ and overused is SLOC/hr. The reason why SLOC/hr is not that good is that some software engineers can write the same function in software with far fewer SLOC than another.

Kind of reminds me of my experience where I was laid off. A new VP of the division came in and chopped the ‘highly compensated’ software engineers and other ‘highly compensated’ employees, except ironically; management layers. He completely ignored the capability of the people he laid off and didn’t allow projects to ‘bid’ on people being laid off on the condition that they release a certain number of their own.

The result was a lot of bad feeling, since the “laid off” were long-timers that were responsible for a lot of what the company had come up and were the ‘go-to’ people for technical questions.. what is the use of company loyalty? Now the company has re-hired several of these people, including myself, as ‘consultants’ or ‘part time’ to get the work complete. Some of them refused to come back to work for the company.

The whole purpose of the layoff was to reduce the cost structure so that the burden rate was less.. after the layoff, the burden rate actually went up — oops.

[quote flu]
even with some of the easiest/stupid shit totally fvcked up like method names completely misspelled (getRecievedPakcetTipe()) in a public API you give to customers, after supposedly it was code/design reviewed, blocking/synchronous calls across networks with high latency ???
[/quote]
The last one, is one I have seen too much of.. as well as very poorly structured code. Code that almost looked like.. “well, lets try this.. no that didn’t work.. lets try this.. no that didn’t work either” style of software engineering. I have also run across several multiprocessor race conditions in code, not protected by a semaphore/guard.

When I was going through College, I used to TA software engineering courses. Through experience, I found that some people had an innate ability, some people were more ‘mechanical’ about it and others just could not ‘get it’.

[ucodegen]

[quote larrylujack]
no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….
[/quote]
Sounds like typical MBA think. Completely ignores skill levels, experience, and ‘rate of production’. Rate of production is hard to quantify, though the most ‘popular’ and overused is SLOC/hr. The reason why SLOC/hr is not that good is that some software engineers can write the same function in software with far fewer SLOC than another.

Kind of reminds me of my experience where I was laid off. A new VP of the division came in and chopped the ‘highly compensated’ software engineers and other ‘highly compensated’ employees, except ironically; management layers. He completely ignored the capability of the people he laid off and didn’t allow projects to ‘bid’ on people being laid off on the condition that they release a certain number of their own.

The result was a lot of bad feeling, since the “laid off” were long-timers that were responsible for a lot of what the company had come up and were the ‘go-to’ people for technical questions.. what is the use of company loyalty? Now the company has re-hired several of these people, including myself, as ‘consultants’ or ‘part time’ to get the work complete. Some of them refused to come back to work for the company.

The whole purpose of the layoff was to reduce the cost structure so that the burden rate was less.. after the layoff, the burden rate actually went up — oops.

[quote flu]
even with some of the easiest/stupid shit totally fvcked up like method names completely misspelled (getRecievedPakcetTipe()) in a public API you give to customers, after supposedly it was code/design reviewed, blocking/synchronous calls across networks with high latency ???
[/quote]
The last one, is one I have seen too much of.. as well as very poorly structured code. Code that almost looked like.. “well, lets try this.. no that didn’t work.. lets try this.. no that didn’t work either” style of software engineering. I have also run across several multiprocessor race conditions in code, not protected by a semaphore/guard.

When I was going through College, I used to TA software engineering courses. Through experience, I found that some people had an innate ability, some people were more ‘mechanical’ about it and others just could not ‘get it’.

[ucodegen]

[quote larrylujack]
no offense, dude, but software engineers are a dime a dozen…literally, so don’t take yerself so seriously….
[/quote]
Sounds like typical MBA think. Completely ignores skill levels, experience, and ‘rate of production’. Rate of production is hard to quantify, though the most ‘popular’ and overused is SLOC/hr. The reason why SLOC/hr is not that good is that some software engineers can write the same function in software with far fewer SLOC than another.

Kind of reminds me of my experience where I was laid off. A new VP of the division came in and chopped the ‘highly compensated’ software engineers and other ‘highly compensated’ employees, except ironically; management layers. He completely ignored the capability of the people he laid off and didn’t allow projects to ‘bid’ on people being laid off on the condition that they release a certain number of their own.

The result was a lot of bad feeling, since the “laid off” were long-timers that were responsible for a lot of what the company had come up and were the ‘go-to’ people for technical questions.. what is the use of company loyalty? Now the company has re-hired several of these people, including myself, as ‘consultants’ or ‘part time’ to get the work complete. Some of them refused to come back to work for the company.

The whole purpose of the layoff was to reduce the cost structure so that the burden rate was less.. after the layoff, the burden rate actually went up — oops.

[quote flu]
even with some of the easiest/stupid shit totally fvcked up like method names completely misspelled (getRecievedPakcetTipe()) in a public API you give to customers, after supposedly it was code/design reviewed, blocking/synchronous calls across networks with high latency ???
[/quote]
The last one, is one I have seen too much of.. as well as very poorly structured code. Code that almost looked like.. “well, lets try this.. no that didn’t work.. lets try this.. no that didn’t work either” style of software engineering. I have also run across several multiprocessor race conditions in code, not protected by a semaphore/guard.

When I was going through College, I used to TA software engineering courses. Through experience, I found that some people had an innate ability, some people were more ‘mechanical’ about it and others just could not ‘get it’.

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