Ruminations on construction quality

[briansd1]

[quote=Ricechex][quote=briansd1]A good portion of the houses in Carmel Valley have PVC pipes. Many have had to get re-piped.[/quote]

Brian…can you explain? I thought PVC was top notch. Why did they have to get re-piped? And, with what? Copper pipes?[/quote]

I’m not a plumber… but in the 1980s and 1990s houses, the PVC pipes burst and leaked.

From what I understand, copper is the best. A friend had to get the pipe from the meter to his house replaced with copper. The landscaping roots caused the PVC to shift and leak. Was told they could not repair PVC so they had to spend thousands to dig out and replace the pipe with copper.

When pipes in the drywall and slap leak, you have to reroute them.

[briansd1]

[quote=Russell]
In reference to codifying overspending, I listened to a report this morning on the low rating that the SD County Board has been given with regard to serving the needy in our community. The journalist stated that ‘contempt for the poor’ has been displayed by the Board and trickles down through every department. I’d say that includes building and planning whose regulations exceed health and safety standards in order to generate business for themselves along with creating a market for engineers, biologists, insurers, etc.[/quote]

I agree with a lot of this. It’s a shame.

[briansd1]

[quote=Russell]
In reference to codifying overspending, I listened to a report this morning on the low rating that the SD County Board has been given with regard to serving the needy in our community. The journalist stated that ‘contempt for the poor’ has been displayed by the Board and trickles down through every department. I’d say that includes building and planning whose regulations exceed health and safety standards in order to generate business for themselves along with creating a market for engineers, biologists, insurers, etc.[/quote]

I agree with a lot of this. It’s a shame.

[briansd1]

[quote=Russell]
In reference to codifying overspending, I listened to a report this morning on the low rating that the SD County Board has been given with regard to serving the needy in our community. The journalist stated that ‘contempt for the poor’ has been displayed by the Board and trickles down through every department. I’d say that includes building and planning whose regulations exceed health and safety standards in order to generate business for themselves along with creating a market for engineers, biologists, insurers, etc.[/quote]

I agree with a lot of this. It’s a shame.

[briansd1]

[quote=Russell]
In reference to codifying overspending, I listened to a report this morning on the low rating that the SD County Board has been given with regard to serving the needy in our community. The journalist stated that ‘contempt for the poor’ has been displayed by the Board and trickles down through every department. I’d say that includes building and planning whose regulations exceed health and safety standards in order to generate business for themselves along with creating a market for engineers, biologists, insurers, etc.[/quote]

I agree with a lot of this. It’s a shame.

[briansd1]

[quote=Russell]
In reference to codifying overspending, I listened to a report this morning on the low rating that the SD County Board has been given with regard to serving the needy in our community. The journalist stated that ‘contempt for the poor’ has been displayed by the Board and trickles down through every department. I’d say that includes building and planning whose regulations exceed health and safety standards in order to generate business for themselves along with creating a market for engineers, biologists, insurers, etc.[/quote]

I agree with a lot of this. It’s a shame.

[briansd1]

[quote=rnen]Folks need to make sure their contractor is licensed and not settle for anything less than a quality job, even if that means getting the State Licensing Board involved. That is what they are there for.[/quote]

All licensing boards do is create barriers to entry and protect their members.

A license is no guarantee of quality services.

Licensing does however provide some recourse in case of disputes.

I have a handyman who does my work. He’s not licensed because he doesn’t speak English well, but I’m perfectly happy to pay him. I’d rather pay him than some licensed schmuck.

The licensed contractors use unlicensed workers anyway.

[briansd1]

[quote=rnen]Folks need to make sure their contractor is licensed and not settle for anything less than a quality job, even if that means getting the State Licensing Board involved. That is what they are there for.[/quote]

All licensing boards do is create barriers to entry and protect their members.

A license is no guarantee of quality services.

Licensing does however provide some recourse in case of disputes.

I have a handyman who does my work. He’s not licensed because he doesn’t speak English well, but I’m perfectly happy to pay him. I’d rather pay him than some licensed schmuck.

The licensed contractors use unlicensed workers anyway.

[briansd1]

[quote=rnen]Folks need to make sure their contractor is licensed and not settle for anything less than a quality job, even if that means getting the State Licensing Board involved. That is what they are there for.[/quote]

All licensing boards do is create barriers to entry and protect their members.

A license is no guarantee of quality services.

Licensing does however provide some recourse in case of disputes.

I have a handyman who does my work. He’s not licensed because he doesn’t speak English well, but I’m perfectly happy to pay him. I’d rather pay him than some licensed schmuck.

The licensed contractors use unlicensed workers anyway.

[briansd1]

[quote=rnen]Folks need to make sure their contractor is licensed and not settle for anything less than a quality job, even if that means getting the State Licensing Board involved. That is what they are there for.[/quote]

All licensing boards do is create barriers to entry and protect their members.

A license is no guarantee of quality services.

Licensing does however provide some recourse in case of disputes.

I have a handyman who does my work. He’s not licensed because he doesn’t speak English well, but I’m perfectly happy to pay him. I’d rather pay him than some licensed schmuck.

The licensed contractors use unlicensed workers anyway.

[briansd1]

[quote=rnen]Folks need to make sure their contractor is licensed and not settle for anything less than a quality job, even if that means getting the State Licensing Board involved. That is what they are there for.[/quote]

All licensing boards do is create barriers to entry and protect their members.

A license is no guarantee of quality services.

Licensing does however provide some recourse in case of disputes.

I have a handyman who does my work. He’s not licensed because he doesn’t speak English well, but I’m perfectly happy to pay him. I’d rather pay him than some licensed schmuck.

The licensed contractors use unlicensed workers anyway.

[rnen]

[quote=briansd1][quote=rnen]Folks need to make sure their contractor is licensed and not settle for anything less than a quality job, even if that means getting the State Licensing Board involved. That is what they are there for.[/quote]

All licensing boards do is create barriers to entry and protect their members.

A license is no guarantee of quality services.

Licensing does however provide some recourse in case of disputes.

I have a handyman who does my work. He’s not licensed because he doesn’t speak English well, but I’m perfectly happy to pay him. I’d rather pay him than some licensed schmuck.

The licensed contractors use unlicensed workers anyway.[/quote]
Being one of those “licensed schmuck”s I will agree that the board does little to enforce quality but it does provide a valuable resource for those that do experience difficulties with their job.

As far as creating barriers and protecting their members I can tell you they do little to protect me, I still have to compete with unlicensed and unqualified individuals. Not all contractors use unlicensed workers but way to paint us all with the same brush.

Hmmmm… maybe you are on to something here Brian, why not eliminate licensing for every trade or profession…. starting with yours. Why let pesky things like skill and knowledge get in the way. Lets just open the doors for anyone to do anything regardless of qualification. Brilliant!

Or maybe you are just refering to blue collar work, after all what do you need to know to build a house or repair a car??

Gee Brian, us low life “licensed shmuck”s would apologize for the inconvienence we cause you if only you would jump down from your ivory tower for a minute.

[rnen]

[quote=briansd1][quote=rnen]Folks need to make sure their contractor is licensed and not settle for anything less than a quality job, even if that means getting the State Licensing Board involved. That is what they are there for.[/quote]

All licensing boards do is create barriers to entry and protect their members.

A license is no guarantee of quality services.

Licensing does however provide some recourse in case of disputes.

I have a handyman who does my work. He’s not licensed because he doesn’t speak English well, but I’m perfectly happy to pay him. I’d rather pay him than some licensed schmuck.

The licensed contractors use unlicensed workers anyway.[/quote]
Being one of those “licensed schmuck”s I will agree that the board does little to enforce quality but it does provide a valuable resource for those that do experience difficulties with their job.

As far as creating barriers and protecting their members I can tell you they do little to protect me, I still have to compete with unlicensed and unqualified individuals. Not all contractors use unlicensed workers but way to paint us all with the same brush.

Hmmmm… maybe you are on to something here Brian, why not eliminate licensing for every trade or profession…. starting with yours. Why let pesky things like skill and knowledge get in the way. Lets just open the doors for anyone to do anything regardless of qualification. Brilliant!

Or maybe you are just refering to blue collar work, after all what do you need to know to build a house or repair a car??

Gee Brian, us low life “licensed shmuck”s would apologize for the inconvienence we cause you if only you would jump down from your ivory tower for a minute.

[rnen]

[quote=briansd1][quote=rnen]Folks need to make sure their contractor is licensed and not settle for anything less than a quality job, even if that means getting the State Licensing Board involved. That is what they are there for.[/quote]

All licensing boards do is create barriers to entry and protect their members.

A license is no guarantee of quality services.

Licensing does however provide some recourse in case of disputes.

I have a handyman who does my work. He’s not licensed because he doesn’t speak English well, but I’m perfectly happy to pay him. I’d rather pay him than some licensed schmuck.

The licensed contractors use unlicensed workers anyway.[/quote]
Being one of those “licensed schmuck”s I will agree that the board does little to enforce quality but it does provide a valuable resource for those that do experience difficulties with their job.

As far as creating barriers and protecting their members I can tell you they do little to protect me, I still have to compete with unlicensed and unqualified individuals. Not all contractors use unlicensed workers but way to paint us all with the same brush.

Hmmmm… maybe you are on to something here Brian, why not eliminate licensing for every trade or profession…. starting with yours. Why let pesky things like skill and knowledge get in the way. Lets just open the doors for anyone to do anything regardless of qualification. Brilliant!

Or maybe you are just refering to blue collar work, after all what do you need to know to build a house or repair a car??

Gee Brian, us low life “licensed shmuck”s would apologize for the inconvienence we cause you if only you would jump down from your ivory tower for a minute.

[rnen]

[quote=briansd1][quote=rnen]Folks need to make sure their contractor is licensed and not settle for anything less than a quality job, even if that means getting the State Licensing Board involved. That is what they are there for.[/quote]

All licensing boards do is create barriers to entry and protect their members.

A license is no guarantee of quality services.

Licensing does however provide some recourse in case of disputes.

I have a handyman who does my work. He’s not licensed because he doesn’t speak English well, but I’m perfectly happy to pay him. I’d rather pay him than some licensed schmuck.

The licensed contractors use unlicensed workers anyway.[/quote]
Being one of those “licensed schmuck”s I will agree that the board does little to enforce quality but it does provide a valuable resource for those that do experience difficulties with their job.

As far as creating barriers and protecting their members I can tell you they do little to protect me, I still have to compete with unlicensed and unqualified individuals. Not all contractors use unlicensed workers but way to paint us all with the same brush.

Hmmmm… maybe you are on to something here Brian, why not eliminate licensing for every trade or profession…. starting with yours. Why let pesky things like skill and knowledge get in the way. Lets just open the doors for anyone to do anything regardless of qualification. Brilliant!

Or maybe you are just refering to blue collar work, after all what do you need to know to build a house or repair a car??

Gee Brian, us low life “licensed shmuck”s would apologize for the inconvienence we cause you if only you would jump down from your ivory tower for a minute.

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