Ron Paul supporters – assuring Obama’s reelection?

[DomoArigato]

I have no idea if the Ron Paul supporters that tend to swarm online message boards are authentic or not, but I believe they are veritably assuring Obama’s reelection. I had a chance to talk today to many Democrats who had voted for Obama in 2008. Most of them aren’t exactly thrilled with Obama’s accomplishments (or lack thereof), but they are almost all universally terrified of Ron Paul.

When I dug deeper, I discovered that they weren’t so much scared of Ron Paul, but they were mostly terrified of his supporters. In many cases, they had had run-ins with a Ron Paul supporter online. The experience almost always left them with a horrible aftertaste. They had typically been open to an alternative to Obama prior to the run-in, but were so shocked by the rants of the Ron Pual supporters that they decided that Obama is much better than any of the alternatives on the right.

I plan to vote to the left of Obama, but if my experiences are any type of bellwether, the actions of those to the right of Obama are doing nothing to lure disillusioned Obama supporters to right-wing candidates but instead are causing the disillusioned to cling more tightly to Obama. Even though Obama is highly vulnerable, if the right is unable to nominate a moderate candidate, I feel very confident in predicting that Obama will cruise to reelection.

[paramount]

After President Obama signed the NDAA on New Years Eve, I can’t imagine why ANYONE would vote for Obama. Regardless of political leanings…

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=paramount]After President Obama signed the NDAA on New Years Eve, I can’t imagine why ANYONE would vote for Obama. Regardless of political leanings…[/quote]
Do you think Romney or Gingrich would have vetoed it?

In a two party system where both options agree on an issue, it’s not an issue.

[svelte]

RP is not going to get the Republican nomination.

So unless he runs as a non-Republican, he’s not going to affect the election at all.

[paramount]

[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=paramount]After President Obama signed the NDAA on New Years Eve, I can’t imagine why ANYONE would vote for Obama. Regardless of political leanings…[/quote]
Do you think Romney or Gingrich would have vetoed it?

In a two party system where both options agree on an issue, it’s not an issue.[/quote]

We’ll never know, but what I do know is that Obama didn’t.

And, it is an issue for me – when I think of the genuine sacrifice made in the name of freedom; and then for some despot to sign a law that not only violates the constitution (IMO), but also dishonors those sacrifices all I can say is that it’s an absolute disgrace.

It is an issue, and a major one at that.

[NotCranky]

[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=paramount]After President Obama signed the NDAA on New Years Eve, I can’t imagine why ANYONE would vote for Obama. Regardless of political leanings…[/quote]
Do you think Romney or Gingrich would have vetoed it?

In a two party system where both options agree on an issue, it’s not an issue.[/quote]

Do you mean to say “it’s not an election issue” or “it’s not an issue”?

It is an issue especially because both parties agree on it.Any time there is a consensus in that cesspit “issues” are absolved?

NDAA looks at the very least like a nasty slippery slope, and that is if you take Obama’s word as to it’s currently prescribed use. I’m not saying he is lying but he lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago.

[Anonymous]

[quote=paramount]It is an issue, and a major one at that.[/quote]Except neither party gives a shit about you.

If an issue doesn’t affect them then it’s a non-issue.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=paramount]After President Obama signed the NDAA on New Years Eve, I can’t imagine why ANYONE would vote for Obama. Regardless of political leanings…[/quote]

The election is choice between Obama, Gingrich or Romney. Here is each of their position about NDAA

Obama: signs with reservations.
Romney : Will sign it (presumably without any reservations) (http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=38017)
Gingrich : Defends it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLYu4TbYRW4)

So how can you imagine someone voting for Gingrich/Romney then?

If you are saying one should vote for Paul then fine. Get him on the ballot of the general election first, then we’ll talk! Till then don’t just single out Obama – its not like people who are likely to be his challengers have any different position.

[NotCranky]

[quote=John Ogre][quote=paramount]It is an issue, and a major one at that.[/quote]Except neither party gives a shit about you.

If an issue doesn’t affect them then it’s a non-issue.[/quote]

I read some commentary stating that it does affect them. It gives them a sense of security.

[markmax33]

[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=paramount]After President Obama signed the NDAA on New Years Eve, I can’t imagine why ANYONE would vote for Obama. Regardless of political leanings…[/quote]
Do you think Romney or Gingrich would have vetoed it?

In a two party system where both options agree on an issue, it’s not an issue.[/quote]

Stop agreeing to be a slave to the system.

[markmax33]

Domo,
You seem to miss the whole point. Every year Ron Paul/libertarian movement/Austrian economics make more predictions and ironically they keep coming true. Slowly the American public realizes what is going on. If you only have 2 bad choices that assure virtually the same result, massive debt, how would you care which one gets elected? The Ron Paul supporters view the dems and republicans the same, a wasted vote. What we care about is talking to our friends about how broke our economy is, how our foreign policy is complete crap, how we violate the Constitution daily. It is insanity to vote for either Obama or Romney. What you guys forget is Rand Paul and Gary Johnson will pick up with the 20% that Ron Paul leaves after this election. That 20% won’t forget, or change our minds. We will work on informing people one person at a time over the next 4 years. We think it is crazy when you talk this split the vote business for many reasons. One of which is he gets as many votes from Obama as he does the GOP.

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[scaredyclassic]

I had an acquaintance who has been into Ron Paul a long time and the guy is way out there.

He definitely appeals to the fringe.

Not saying he can’t appeal to others.

Heck I like vermin supreme and Ron Paul.

No one should worry because the die is cast anyway.

[blahblahblah]

[quote=DomoArigato]I have NO IDEA if the Ron Paul supporters that tend to SWARM online message boards are AUTHENTIC OR NOT, but I BELIEVE they are veritably assuring Obama’s reelection. I had a chance to talk today to MANY DEMOCRATS who had voted for Obama in 2008. Most of them aren’t exactly thrilled with Obama’s accomplishments (or lack thereof), but they are almost all UNIVERSALLY TERRIFIED OF RON PAUL.

When I dug deeper, I discovered that they weren’t so much SCARED OF RON PAUL, but they were mostly TERRIFIED OF HIS SUPPORTERS. In many cases, they had had run-ins with a Ron Paul supporter online. The experience almost always left them with a HORRIBLE AFTERTASTE. They had typically been open to an alternative to Obama prior to the run-in, but were so SHOCKED by the RANTS of the Ron Pual supporters that they decided that OBAMA IS MUCH BETTER than any of the alternatives on the right.

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Frank, is that you? This is a 100% content free post, just a string of emotionally charged phrases carefully chosen so that those giving this a cursory reading will have a negative feeling about Ron Paul and his supporters afterwards. The casual reader will also have a sense that Obama’s reelection is inevitable and that it will be a good thing. The post seems designed to target in particular the swing voter who would normally vote Democratic but might be considering Paul for his anti-war and pro-freedom stance. Those lacking the background in psychology and NLP techniques will typically not recognize this sort of manipulation and the “trigger phrases” will recall the emotions the programmer wants the subject to feel.

RON PAUL SUPPORTERS SWARM
UNIVERSALLY TERRIFIED OF RON PAUL
SCARED OF RON PAUL
SHOCKED
TERRIFIED OF HIS SUPPORTERS
HORRIBLE AFTERTASTE
RANTS OF THE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS
OBAMA IS MUCH BETTER

That is the kernel of this post, the remainder is simply the Flintstones vitamin candy coating designed to deliver the content deep into the subject’s subconscious mind.

Language is a very powerful tool.

FWIW I am still voting Vermin Supreme in 2012. My neighborhood is overrun with zombies and I want to see them put to good use generating energy rather than shuffling down the street and moaning.

Also I am looking forward to my free pony.

[svelte]

[quote=CONCHO]

FWIW I am still voting Vermin Supreme in 2012. [/quote]

You can’t blame any of this on me either. I always vote for Bill and Opus.

[NotCranky]

Excellent response, Concho.

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