Ron Paul Questions and Concerns Well

[SK in CV]

[quote=markmax33]

Are you really sitting here arguing semantics in an overall global point I am trying to make? You agree on the inflation therefore my point is proven. The middle class is being squeezed out. You are so childish to waste everyone’s time when I proved the point.[/quote]

I’m not arguing semantics. I’m specifically arguing the points you made. If your point was simply inflation is real and it’s bad, then no one will disagree with you. All you’ll have is a bunch of nodding heads. But that’s not actually what you claimed.

And even if everyone does agree on that point, it’s not the least bit supportive of a Ron Paul candidacy.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=markmax33] . . . The economy is an EXTREMELY easy fix. We spent 1.5 Trillion dollars on national offense last year. We have 900 bases in 130+ countries. We’ve had 50,000+ troops in Germany and Korea feeding those economies for years and proping up those economies. The second you slash national offense and bring home 100,000 troops they start spending their $150,000 salaries at home and you see an economic boost. Next you start cutting programs that are obviously failing, which is the majority of them. My Dad owns a farm in Missouri and USA pays him $40,000 a year NOT to grow anything and let the land sit. Isn’t that crazy? I can go on and on. Your tax money at waste. Imagine we start slashing these wasteful programs and we lower your tax rate and balance the budget and you have more money to spend because your tax rate drops 5%. That is a true stimulus, not taking tax money, spinning it around DC, wasting 50% of it paying GOV fat cat salaries and then providing a bailout to the banks, or fake bailouts to the people owning housing that don’t work. In his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2HSDQk0Rzw
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Lol, markmax33, I just watched this video and was VERY impressed! I don’t watch TV or get the paper so was unfamiliar with Ron Paul until I saw this thread. Even though I’m not sure how certain programs can be administered with the decimation of those cabinet departments, I DO like RP’s idea of bringing the troops home and spending government $$ right here at home where it belongs, instead of overseas.

If I ever decide to run for something “local,” (as I had been encouraged to do in the past) would you be interested in acting as my “campaign mgr?” :=]

[bearishgurl]

I see RP wants to cut spending overseas to preserve SS and Medicare (specifically the OASDI program). I’m all for this and also have several recommendations for SS reform.

Benefits paid to “survivors” are ridiculously high and don’t seem to bear any relationship to the actual FICA deposited into the deceased parent’s account. The SSDI threshold for “permanent disability” is too low, IMHO, and this system is gamed by a LOT of able-bodied younger people. This program should be reserved for permanently injured (brain function, loss of limb) individuals and individuals with birth defects. Persons who NEVER paid any FICA on their own behalf (did not work the necessary 40 quarters in their lifetimes) should NOT receive any benefits and should not be able to collect a portion of a spouse’s or former spouse’s benefit if that spouse is ALSO collecting OASDI. (I realize there are many persons aged 55 and up that are expecting a benefit and fit this category but the age has to stop somewhere.) Children with behavioral issues such as ADHD should not be eligible for benefits. Immigrants over the age of 65 who don’t have a FICA account with 40 quarters of work in it in their own right should not be allowed to receive SSI. I could go on but eliminating the gross wastefulness in this system will preserve OASDI for workers which is what it was set up for.

edit: the Medicare program should be reserved for ALL those US legal residents who are over the age of 65, regardless of work record.

[DomoArigato]

[quote=markmax33][quote=DomoArigato][quote=markmax33]
If you listen to ANY videos or read anything from Dr. Paul he is the nicest man alive. He delivered 4000 babies and by definition Libertarians are very peaceful and nice people.[/quote]

Is Rand Paul a Libertarian? Because stomping on a woman’s head and neck when she is already face down on the pavement doesn’t seem like a very nice thing to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK7b7i-cMRs

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You can pick a video from ANY candidate and find supporters doing crazy stuff. That is extremely anecdotal and you don’t know what that person did to the other person first. How do you know they didn’t attack them with rocks or a weapon? That vid proves absolutely nothing.

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She didn’t do anything, you moron. She certainly didn’t have a rock or a weapon. The jackass who attacked her is Tim Profitt, Rand Paul’s Bourbon County coordinator. This article has a picture of the two together:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/26/tim-profitt-rand-paul-supporter_n_774285.html

The assailant sack of shit was sentenced to a year of probation and ordered to pay $600 restitution. How can you defend this POS? Libertarians always claim to be principled people, but in reality they are fine with other Libertarians committing violence against non-Libertarians.

In my experience, Libertarians are vile, disgusting POSs. Here’s a video of Ron Paul agreeing that people without healthcare should be left to die:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PepQF7G-It0

Disgusting.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=markmax33][quote=AN][quote=markmax33][quote=markmax33][quote=AN][quote=markmax33]A family with a single income engineer could raise 2 children in the 1950s and them to college.
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They can do it in 2011 as well. Many of my coworkers’ wives are stay at home moms.[/quote]

The median engineer in San Diego making $80k per year is not raising 2 kids, paying a mortgage and paying for his kids college. An Engineer way out of the statistical norm making $150k might be able to BARELY scrape by. Stop lying to yourself.[/quote]

Engineers make $75k as the median:

http://www.mtu.edu/engineering/outreach/welcome/salary/%5B/quote%5D
You make more than that median after 3-4 years of experience in my industry. However, to get to $150k, you need to be a director level. You don’t need to be a director to live on single income. Many people I know who are living on single income are not directors. While you’re talking about theoretical, I’m talking about real people who are doing well on single income.[/quote]

$150k is for an Engineer is extremely high and in the top 5%. Thank you proving my point. I am an Engineer, I manage Engineers and I hire Engineers. $150 is not 3-4 years of experience in Mechanical, Civil, Structural, Fire Protection, Electrical, etc. That’s what the majority of Engineers are in this country.[/quote]

But that same majority of engineers in this country live in much cheaper housing markets where they can live on 1 wage. Around here where prices are higher the engineers are more skewed to the higher wage fields of telecom and software.

[an]

[quote=markmax33]
$150k is for an Engineer is extremely high and in the top 5%. Thank you proving my point. I am an Engineer, I manage Engineers and I hire Engineers. $150 is not 3-4 years of experience in Mechanical, Civil, Structural, Fire Protection, Electrical, etc. That’s what the majority of Engineers are in this country.[/quote]
Yes, $150k is high, as I’ve said you’d need to be around a director level to get to that income around here. I never dispute the fact that $150k is high for an engineer. I was disputing the claim you’re making that someone (engineer or not) making $150k might be able to BARELY scrape by. I call BS on that. I know people who make less than that, live on single income, and have savings. Since you’re an Engineer with an MBA managing Engineers and hiring Engineers, you’re probably making around $150k. If you can BARELY scrape by, you’re definitely doing something wrong.

I never say someone in my industry with 3-4 years of experience make $150k, I say they make more than the median of $75k. Read carefully before you try to dispute a point. If you’re talking about national instead of local engineers and income, then we should talk about national housing price, not local SD prices. What’s the national median houses again? If you’re an engineer making the median income of $75k and living in Texas, where the median home price is $144,900, do you think you’re going to have much trouble living on a single income?

[bearishgurl]

AN, I think you are an anomaly on this Board because you don’t have “grandiose” views of your housing needs, such as buying a very large residence in a newer, heavily-encumbered housing tract. You (and possibly your co-workers who are living on one income) are no doubt living a more “spartan existence” than many here on this Board would likely accept.

And isn’t your spouse actually employed?

[DomoArigato]

Here’s a picture of one of the entrepreneurs to which Ron Paul would say ‘let him die!’:

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/10/29/we-are-the-99-percent-photo-of-the-day-12/

He’s holding a sign with the following message:

I am a 50 yr old owner of a Local Moving Co. My business has dropped 75% since 2008. I have sole custody of an 11 year old daughter. I declared bankruptcy in Feb 2011.

I have Skin Cancer but no Health Insurance and can’t afford surgery.

I have lost my house to foreclosure and now can barely afford rent !

I started my business in 1991 and had savings, Investment Property, and a Retirement fund.

All is Lost !

I am the 99% !

It’s easy for Ron Paul to say ‘let him die!’ what with his gold-plated government pension and health insurance.

[an]

[quote=bearishgurl]AN, I think you are an anomaly on this Board because you don’t have “grandiose” views of your housing needs, such as buying a very large residence in a newer, heavily-encumbered housing tract. You (and possibly your co-workers who are living on one income) are no doubt living a more “spartan existence” than many here on this Board would likely accept.

And isn’t your spouse actually employed?[/quote]
Reread my post BG. I said my coworkers, not me. Also, what’s spartan today is luxury in 1950s. They all have two cars and live in houses larger than 3/1 or 3/2 1200 sq-ft.

[markmax33]

[quote=DomoArigato]Here’s a picture of one of the entrepreneurs to which Ron Paul would say ‘let him die!’:

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/10/29/we-are-the-99-percent-photo-of-the-day-12/

He’s holding a sign with the following message:

I am a 50 yr old owner of a Local Moving Co. My business has dropped 75% since 2008. I have sole custody of an 11 year old daughter. I declared bankruptcy in Feb 2011.

I have Skin Cancer but no Health Insurance and can’t afford surgery.

I have lost my house to foreclosure and now can barely afford rent !

I started my business in 1991 and had savings, Investment Property, and a Retirement fund.

All is Lost !

I am the 99% !

It’s easy for Ron Paul to say ‘let him die!’ what with his gold-plated government pension and health insurance.[/quote]

I hate to say it but you have no idea about Ron Paul’s position on healthcare. You make things up and then post on a blog. Ron Paul was a physician that delivered 4000 babies and refused to ever take one penny of money from medicare and medicad. He also never turned away a patient and took care of every single person who walked through his door.

The solution for healthcare is to return to how we did it in the 1950s. Back then there was minimal government intervention, no GOV help and EVERYBODY got taken care of. The physicians were taught in the schools to take care of the less fortunate and the churches all had doctors to help the sick. Not one person died of skin cancer or any other crazy disease back then without treatment.

Unfortunately the GOV intervention and lawsuits starting kicking and raising the cost of healthcare and created inflation. The church doctors went away and the Dr’s couldn’t afford the risk of pro-bono work because of the lawsuits and high cost of dealing with GOV paperwork for billing.

NOT ONE PERSON’S HEALTHCARE WOULD BE DECREASED UNDER DR. PAUL’S HEALTHCARE PLAN and if you think that, you can’t think critically and looked at history. No hospital has EVER turned away a patient.

Another perfect example of why the free market is better than GOV run healthcare is very simple to see. Look at a medical procedure that is not covered under medical insurance and medicare or medicad. The cost of breast implants, lyposuction, wrinkle removal, etc has all dropped tremendously and there have been a ton of innovations in those fields. That is because they work on the free market. Any healthcare procedure that has heavy GOV influence or billing goes up and gets inflated. This can be proven OVER AND OVER.

I’m sorry DomoArigato but you are a lemming listening to the mainstream media that doesn’t understand healthcare, history or the free market.

For your information Dr. Paul has refused the GOV pension and healthcare provided by Congress because he feels it is immoral and stealing from the taxpayers.

[aldante]

DomoArigato
This happened last week at my house. Tell me what you think.
I show up at my house one evening with a brand new Lexus,I threw $100k of gold jewelry on the dining room table, and told my wife that I had arranged for all new appliances and furniture to be delivered the next day. I told her that i just loved her and Timmy so much that they deserved the best!You would think that she would be happy But instead her face got kinda screwy and contorted and she started to ask me all of these questions.
She asked me if we had won the lottery, even though she knows that my position on that topic is that only poor ignorant people play the lottery. She asked me if we have any rich relatives that she did not know about. Of course not it’s always been just she and I, I gently reminded her. (At this point I started to think that she may be getting a little senile). She proceeded with so many questions like didn’t I remember that we were barley able to save in out 401k and that Timmy’s college fund was still woefully short. That our savings account was so short that we had decided not to go to Vegas last Christmas.God, when did she turn in to so much of a crackpot, I asked myself?
I sat her down. I could not believe she was being so dense. But she has always needed these little things explained to her. I told her: ” you deserve the best, and all these things are now yours!”
She sobbed and said, ” But how can we afford them?” Ha. What a relief, I thought that she may be depressed and not be feeling worthy, what a relief I felt then!!!
Honey, that’s easy, ” I just maxed out all our credit cards…..you must have forgot that we have outstanding credit!”
I would love to tell you that solved what as I can only describe as her new mental illness but this seemed to make her feel worse. Again, I tried to explain…..honey we may be stretched a bit but if the monthly payments get a little too high we simply we ask for a higher credit limit. She told me the stupidest thing….that one day they may tell us that we can not have more credit. Can you believe her? I then let her know that I could just move to another credit card company. This did not have the effect on her that I had planned. SHE TURNED INTO AN OLD COOT right in front of my eyes. I swear that her eyebrows got bushier in an instant.
Domo….I have decided to get a divorce. I can’t live with this old bag anymore….she is just to darn short sighted.
By the way I had to rent a new place and need 5k for a deposit. Can you give me a loan?, I know how gracious you are and I just don’t think I deserve to have to fill out all Of those nosey banker forms that they want to make me fill out to get a loan throuh them. They just do not understand that you and I deserve so much more. I guess you would agree you and I deserve each other. Thanks BRO.

[Arraya]

Romanticizing bitterly resisted 19th century capitalism as a vision of the future is bat shit insane. Seriously, narrowing down a critique of modern industrial society to the “government” or the “Fed” is monumentally simplistic and entirely fanatical.

[scaredyclassic]

Thumbs up arraya.

[aldante]

Arraya,
“Bat shit Insane”
Websters dictionary:
Seeking getting out of debt by incurring more debt…..

True definition….look it up.

I am lying of course but another definition could be:

Listening for a solution from the same Fed chairman today, who told us in July of 2008 that we were not in a recession.
Or the very same Chairman who said that Fannie and Freddie would be “just fine”
Or listening to his predecessor who actually wrote papers endorsing the notion that real estate values in the US had little to no down side.

Not listening to people who got it right is truly “BAT SHIT INSANE”.
That is everyone else definition……

[scaredyclassic]

if only we’d listened to neutral milk hotel

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