Ron Paul is probably in first place!

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I didn’t realize the strategy isn’t to actually win the vote in the Caucus States, it’s merely to win delegates. Ron Paul probably has the most delegates right now and is in first place.

[sdrealtor]

Amazing!!! I was thinking exactly the same thing!!!

[an]

Wow, I didn’t know such thing is possible. If it’s true, it would definitely be an interesting show ahead.

[bearishgurl]

I find it hilarious that RP is just following the procedure that has been laid out by his “party” and thereby systematically chipping away at those all-important delegate spots state-by-state, lol….

I know from experience that grass-roots tactics in many ways work to push a candidate out front and center – that is … WHEN it counts.

Go RP!!!!

[paramount]

Thank the Good Lord!!!

[UCGal]

Unless I’m missing something that video basically says votes be damned…. subvert the process by taking advantage of the fact that these delegates are not bound.

In other words a legal, but unethical, cheat.

[blahblahblah]

[quote=UCGal]Unless I’m missing something that video basically says votes be damned…. subvert the process by taking advantage of the fact that these delegates are not bound.

In other words a legal, but unethical, cheat.[/quote]

What is unethical? If the Santorum/Romney/Gingrich crowd is so enthusiastic, they should stick around after the straw vote and ensure that they get the delegates. The RP supporters are not “subverting” the process, they are participating in the process.

[svelte]

Let’s look at a statement that Doug Wead, a RP advisor, said in this video.

He stated that the GOP changed the rules to benefit Mitt Romney since “Florida was moved up because it was a state that would help him, Nevada and Arizona were moved up because they were states with large LDS population…”

Let’s do a fact check, shall we?

2008 Republican primary dates and order:
1/3 Iowa
1/5 Wyoming
1/8 New Hampshire
1/15 Michigan
1/19 Nevada
1/19 South Carolina
1/22 Louisiana
1/25 Hawaii
1/29 Florida
1/1 Maine
2/5 Arizona and 20 other states

2012 Republican primary dates and order:
1/3 Iowa
1/10 New Hampshire
1/21 South Carolina
1/31 Florida
2/4 Nevada
2/7 Colorado
2/7 Minnesota
2/7 Missouri
2/11 Maine
2/28 Arizona
2/28 Michigan

Was Nevada moved up?
NO – datewise (was 1/19 in 2008, was 2/4 in 2012)
NO – orderwise (was 5th in 2008, was 5th in 2012)

Was Arizona moved up?
NO – datewise (was 2/5 in 2008, will be 2/28 in 2012)
YES – orderwise(was 11th in 2008 with 20 other states, will be 10th in 2009)

Was Florida moved up?
NO – datewise (was 1/29 in 2008, was 1/31 in 2012)
YES – orderwise(was 9th in 2008, was 4th in 2012)

He either flat-out lied or did not know what he was talking about, as my fact check shows he was only 0% or 67% right, depending on whether he was referring to dates or order of primaries.

I find that RP and his staff are really fond of crying foul and thinking the world is against them. Personally, I would not want an administration like that in the White House.

Not that it keeps me up at night, since it is never gonna happen anyway.

[pencilneck]

OT video link: Ron Paul Stars in 1983 Congressional Baseball

http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2012/02/ron-paul-stars-in-1983-congressional-baseball-game/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

I just saw this posted elsewhere and I couldn’t help but pass it along.

[markmax33]

[quote=UCGal]Unless I’m missing something that video basically says votes be damned…. subvert the process by taking advantage of the fact that these delegates are not bound.

In other words a legal, but unethical, cheat.[/quote]

I don’t know when playing by the rules and having a more organized, awesome group of supporters and superior ideas is unethical or cheating.

Cheating is not putting a candidate on TV because you are afraid he can win.

[markmax33]

[quote=svelte]Let’s look at a statement that Doug Wead, a RP advisor, said in this video.

He stated that the GOP changed the rules to benefit Mitt Romney since “Florida was moved up because it was a state that would help him, Nevada and Arizona were moved up because they were states with large LDS population…”

Let’s do a fact check, shall we?

2008 Republican primary dates and order:
1/3 Iowa
1/5 Wyoming
1/8 New Hampshire
1/15 Michigan
1/19 Nevada
1/19 South Carolina
1/22 Louisiana
1/25 Hawaii
1/29 Florida
1/1 Maine
2/5 Arizona and 20 other states

2012 Republican primary dates and order:
1/3 Iowa
1/10 New Hampshire
1/21 South Carolina
1/31 Florida
2/4 Nevada
2/7 Colorado
2/7 Minnesota
2/7 Missouri
2/11 Maine
2/28 Arizona
2/28 Michigan

Was Nevada moved up?
NO – datewise (was 1/19 in 2008, was 2/4 in 2012)
NO – orderwise (was 5th in 2008, was 5th in 2012)

Was Arizona moved up?
NO – datewise (was 2/5 in 2008, will be 2/28 in 2012)
YES – orderwise(was 11th in 2008 with 20 other states, will be 10th in 2009)

Was Florida moved up?
NO – datewise (was 1/29 in 2008, was 1/31 in 2012)
YES – orderwise(was 9th in 2008, was 4th in 2012)

He either flat-out lied or did not know what he was talking about, as my fact check shows he was only 0% or 67% right, depending on whether he was referring to dates or order of primaries.

I find that RP and his staff are really fond of crying foul and thinking the world is against them. Personally, I would not want an administration like that in the White House.

Not that it keeps me up at night, since it is never gonna happen anyway.[/quote]

You missed the 3rd option. States like Wyoming love Ron Paul. He was referring to the facts they moved the anti-Paul states up and the pro-Paul states down.

Ron Paul your probable front runner so far in the 2012 election!

[sdrealtor]

And the election will turn on Wyoming. Everyone knows that!

[markmax33]

[quote=sdrealtor]And the election will turn on Wyoming. Everyone knows that![/quote]

No but if it is near the beginning and he wins it, it makes major news. That’s why it is important. Wyoming could make a difference.

Luckily the strategy is to be in first place with the delegates and Ron Paul is probably in first place.

[UCGal]

Florida was punished for moving up in the order. They had half their delegates taken away. You could argue that hurts Romney and helps Paul. I, personally would argue that it hurts FL GOP voters because their vote counts less.

As far as what is happening in caucus states.. I clearly stated it was LEGAL. I would argue that presenting yourself as a Santorum delegate to the rest of your caucus, with a *secret* intent to vote for Ron Paul at the state convention you are not operating in an above board way…. maybe my standard of ethics is different than others.

I participated in a caucus in WA state in 1992 and was voted to represent my precinct to the next level. I felt an obligation to vote in the intent I was sent to represent (until my candidate dropped out before the next level – then I followed how that candidate pledged publicly when he endorsed the ultimate winner.

[svelte]

[quote=markmax33]
He was referring to the facts they moved the anti-Paul states up and the pro-Paul states down. [/quote]

I know what he was referring to…that’s the point of my post. I proved he was incorrect about Nevada and only marginally correct about Arizona (they moved it up one position in the order!).

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