Report shows strategic defaults increasing

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[quote=Arraya]
Seems we don’t like it when humans act like corporate entities.[/quote]

I don’t have any problem w/Bill and others following his contract. I don’t even care if the bank loans money to every unemployed person in the world. I couldn’t care less. But when they then turn around and want my tax dollars to pay for it, then I have an issue w/it.

[NotCranky]

[quote=AN][quote=Russell]
My two cents…The piece is a playfully condescending tutorial about libertarianism. The joke about republicans converting, post Bush, insinuates perhaps the many “libertarians” haven’t really embraced the philosophy(which the author does think has serious weaknesses) for reasons other than looking for cover(maybe neutrality?).

For the record,I am a non-registered independent and have been for most of 3 decades. For the near future at least, I am not trading that status for anything. My sympathies do at various times align with each party, depending on the topic and the era, but I consistently like none of them.[/quote]
That’s really where I see this jest fall apart. No single party have 100% support from its supported voters. If it does, all the democrats should be in full support of all these bailouts that the Democrats in all 3 branches are orchestrating. We all think the other party philosophy has serious weaknesses. So there’s nothing new there.[/quote]
I think the joke/teasing of newly minted Libertarians stands O.K. If the shoe fits or not is a different question.
What did the pop song say? “Philosophy is a walk on slippery rocks” I understand that there are a lot of reasons for people to affiliate certain ways…or not.

[NotCranky]

[quote=AN][quote=Russell]
My two cents…The piece is a playfully condescending tutorial about libertarianism. The joke about republicans converting, post Bush, insinuates perhaps the many “libertarians” haven’t really embraced the philosophy(which the author does think has serious weaknesses) for reasons other than looking for cover(maybe neutrality?).

For the record,I am a non-registered independent and have been for most of 3 decades. For the near future at least, I am not trading that status for anything. My sympathies do at various times align with each party, depending on the topic and the era, but I consistently like none of them.[/quote]
That’s really where I see this jest fall apart. No single party have 100% support from its supported voters. If it does, all the democrats should be in full support of all these bailouts that the Democrats in all 3 branches are orchestrating. We all think the other party philosophy has serious weaknesses. So there’s nothing new there.[/quote]
I think the joke/teasing of newly minted Libertarians stands O.K. If the shoe fits or not is a different question.
What did the pop song say? “Philosophy is a walk on slippery rocks” I understand that there are a lot of reasons for people to affiliate certain ways…or not.

[NotCranky]

[quote=AN][quote=Russell]
My two cents…The piece is a playfully condescending tutorial about libertarianism. The joke about republicans converting, post Bush, insinuates perhaps the many “libertarians” haven’t really embraced the philosophy(which the author does think has serious weaknesses) for reasons other than looking for cover(maybe neutrality?).

For the record,I am a non-registered independent and have been for most of 3 decades. For the near future at least, I am not trading that status for anything. My sympathies do at various times align with each party, depending on the topic and the era, but I consistently like none of them.[/quote]
That’s really where I see this jest fall apart. No single party have 100% support from its supported voters. If it does, all the democrats should be in full support of all these bailouts that the Democrats in all 3 branches are orchestrating. We all think the other party philosophy has serious weaknesses. So there’s nothing new there.[/quote]
I think the joke/teasing of newly minted Libertarians stands O.K. If the shoe fits or not is a different question.
What did the pop song say? “Philosophy is a walk on slippery rocks” I understand that there are a lot of reasons for people to affiliate certain ways…or not.

[NotCranky]

[quote=AN][quote=Russell]
My two cents…The piece is a playfully condescending tutorial about libertarianism. The joke about republicans converting, post Bush, insinuates perhaps the many “libertarians” haven’t really embraced the philosophy(which the author does think has serious weaknesses) for reasons other than looking for cover(maybe neutrality?).

For the record,I am a non-registered independent and have been for most of 3 decades. For the near future at least, I am not trading that status for anything. My sympathies do at various times align with each party, depending on the topic and the era, but I consistently like none of them.[/quote]
That’s really where I see this jest fall apart. No single party have 100% support from its supported voters. If it does, all the democrats should be in full support of all these bailouts that the Democrats in all 3 branches are orchestrating. We all think the other party philosophy has serious weaknesses. So there’s nothing new there.[/quote]
I think the joke/teasing of newly minted Libertarians stands O.K. If the shoe fits or not is a different question.
What did the pop song say? “Philosophy is a walk on slippery rocks” I understand that there are a lot of reasons for people to affiliate certain ways…or not.

[NotCranky]

[quote=AN][quote=Russell]
My two cents…The piece is a playfully condescending tutorial about libertarianism. The joke about republicans converting, post Bush, insinuates perhaps the many “libertarians” haven’t really embraced the philosophy(which the author does think has serious weaknesses) for reasons other than looking for cover(maybe neutrality?).

For the record,I am a non-registered independent and have been for most of 3 decades. For the near future at least, I am not trading that status for anything. My sympathies do at various times align with each party, depending on the topic and the era, but I consistently like none of them.[/quote]
That’s really where I see this jest fall apart. No single party have 100% support from its supported voters. If it does, all the democrats should be in full support of all these bailouts that the Democrats in all 3 branches are orchestrating. We all think the other party philosophy has serious weaknesses. So there’s nothing new there.[/quote]
I think the joke/teasing of newly minted Libertarians stands O.K. If the shoe fits or not is a different question.
What did the pop song say? “Philosophy is a walk on slippery rocks” I understand that there are a lot of reasons for people to affiliate certain ways…or not.

[SD Realtor]

Yes Rus I am libertarian since 88 and did vote for Bush, twice in fact. He was horrendous. As far as what Bill does, I don’t care what anyone says, I do not believe it is a victimless crime. As I stated, Bill does what he wants to do but in my opinion it is playing right into the hands of what the govt and the banks want people to do. I think this behavior does help reduce inventory by simply kicking the can down the road and does alleviate the banks of dealing with uninhabited homes. Just my opinion.

As for Bill talking about living the life of a rockstar that is his choice as well. As far as me being judgemental, sure I admit to it freely. I have no problem passing judgement of character. I do it everyday with everyone I meet and everyone I deal with. I judge whether certain clients are worth my time, and I judge whether I think people are trustworthy or not. It doesn’t bother me in the least to admit that.

[SD Realtor]

Yes Rus I am libertarian since 88 and did vote for Bush, twice in fact. He was horrendous. As far as what Bill does, I don’t care what anyone says, I do not believe it is a victimless crime. As I stated, Bill does what he wants to do but in my opinion it is playing right into the hands of what the govt and the banks want people to do. I think this behavior does help reduce inventory by simply kicking the can down the road and does alleviate the banks of dealing with uninhabited homes. Just my opinion.

As for Bill talking about living the life of a rockstar that is his choice as well. As far as me being judgemental, sure I admit to it freely. I have no problem passing judgement of character. I do it everyday with everyone I meet and everyone I deal with. I judge whether certain clients are worth my time, and I judge whether I think people are trustworthy or not. It doesn’t bother me in the least to admit that.

[SD Realtor]

Yes Rus I am libertarian since 88 and did vote for Bush, twice in fact. He was horrendous. As far as what Bill does, I don’t care what anyone says, I do not believe it is a victimless crime. As I stated, Bill does what he wants to do but in my opinion it is playing right into the hands of what the govt and the banks want people to do. I think this behavior does help reduce inventory by simply kicking the can down the road and does alleviate the banks of dealing with uninhabited homes. Just my opinion.

As for Bill talking about living the life of a rockstar that is his choice as well. As far as me being judgemental, sure I admit to it freely. I have no problem passing judgement of character. I do it everyday with everyone I meet and everyone I deal with. I judge whether certain clients are worth my time, and I judge whether I think people are trustworthy or not. It doesn’t bother me in the least to admit that.

[SD Realtor]

Yes Rus I am libertarian since 88 and did vote for Bush, twice in fact. He was horrendous. As far as what Bill does, I don’t care what anyone says, I do not believe it is a victimless crime. As I stated, Bill does what he wants to do but in my opinion it is playing right into the hands of what the govt and the banks want people to do. I think this behavior does help reduce inventory by simply kicking the can down the road and does alleviate the banks of dealing with uninhabited homes. Just my opinion.

As for Bill talking about living the life of a rockstar that is his choice as well. As far as me being judgemental, sure I admit to it freely. I have no problem passing judgement of character. I do it everyday with everyone I meet and everyone I deal with. I judge whether certain clients are worth my time, and I judge whether I think people are trustworthy or not. It doesn’t bother me in the least to admit that.

[SD Realtor]

Yes Rus I am libertarian since 88 and did vote for Bush, twice in fact. He was horrendous. As far as what Bill does, I don’t care what anyone says, I do not believe it is a victimless crime. As I stated, Bill does what he wants to do but in my opinion it is playing right into the hands of what the govt and the banks want people to do. I think this behavior does help reduce inventory by simply kicking the can down the road and does alleviate the banks of dealing with uninhabited homes. Just my opinion.

As for Bill talking about living the life of a rockstar that is his choice as well. As far as me being judgemental, sure I admit to it freely. I have no problem passing judgement of character. I do it everyday with everyone I meet and everyone I deal with. I judge whether certain clients are worth my time, and I judge whether I think people are trustworthy or not. It doesn’t bother me in the least to admit that.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]Yes Rus I am libertarian since 88 and did vote for Bush, twice in fact. He was horrendous. As far as what Bill does, I don’t care what anyone says, I do not believe it is a victimless crime. As I stated, Bill does what he wants to do but in my opinion it is playing right into the hands of what the govt and the banks want people to do. I think this behavior does help reduce inventory by simply kicking the can down the road and does alleviate the banks of dealing with uninhabited homes. Just my opinion.

As for Bill talking about living the life of a rockstar that is his choice as well. As far as me being judgemental, sure I admit to it freely. I have no problem passing judgement of character. I do it everyday with everyone I meet and everyone I deal with. I judge whether certain clients are worth my time, and I judge whether I think people are trustworthy or not. It doesn’t bother me in the least to admit that.[/quote]
This is the line of thought that provokes a desire to put all kinds of alternate theories on the board especially vis-a-vis “libertarianism”, since you brought it up. What are libertarians doing that is better by virtue of their being libertarian? Why was selling houses in 2005 and 2006, and perhaps even now,(since you think it is all a scam) not doing something really rotten to society that the banks and the government wanted and want you to do? Since we are talking about societal damages, it has nothing to do with what you have told or are telling your individual clients. I think Bill is not being unfair to draw the comparison.

Why are shortsellers better than strategic defaulters(other than a commission can be earned)? They also are just doing what the banks and government want them to do and perhaps saving their credit to an extent that they can do what the banks and the government want them to do again, sooner compared to a foreclosure, with the help of a Realtor.Buyers?Everybody who plays in the real estate market is just doing what the banks and the government want them to do. I think the truly free thing is to not get hung up on it or blow it up.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]Yes Rus I am libertarian since 88 and did vote for Bush, twice in fact. He was horrendous. As far as what Bill does, I don’t care what anyone says, I do not believe it is a victimless crime. As I stated, Bill does what he wants to do but in my opinion it is playing right into the hands of what the govt and the banks want people to do. I think this behavior does help reduce inventory by simply kicking the can down the road and does alleviate the banks of dealing with uninhabited homes. Just my opinion.

As for Bill talking about living the life of a rockstar that is his choice as well. As far as me being judgemental, sure I admit to it freely. I have no problem passing judgement of character. I do it everyday with everyone I meet and everyone I deal with. I judge whether certain clients are worth my time, and I judge whether I think people are trustworthy or not. It doesn’t bother me in the least to admit that.[/quote]
This is the line of thought that provokes a desire to put all kinds of alternate theories on the board especially vis-a-vis “libertarianism”, since you brought it up. What are libertarians doing that is better by virtue of their being libertarian? Why was selling houses in 2005 and 2006, and perhaps even now,(since you think it is all a scam) not doing something really rotten to society that the banks and the government wanted and want you to do? Since we are talking about societal damages, it has nothing to do with what you have told or are telling your individual clients. I think Bill is not being unfair to draw the comparison.

Why are shortsellers better than strategic defaulters(other than a commission can be earned)? They also are just doing what the banks and government want them to do and perhaps saving their credit to an extent that they can do what the banks and the government want them to do again, sooner compared to a foreclosure, with the help of a Realtor.Buyers?Everybody who plays in the real estate market is just doing what the banks and the government want them to do. I think the truly free thing is to not get hung up on it or blow it up.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]Yes Rus I am libertarian since 88 and did vote for Bush, twice in fact. He was horrendous. As far as what Bill does, I don’t care what anyone says, I do not believe it is a victimless crime. As I stated, Bill does what he wants to do but in my opinion it is playing right into the hands of what the govt and the banks want people to do. I think this behavior does help reduce inventory by simply kicking the can down the road and does alleviate the banks of dealing with uninhabited homes. Just my opinion.

As for Bill talking about living the life of a rockstar that is his choice as well. As far as me being judgemental, sure I admit to it freely. I have no problem passing judgement of character. I do it everyday with everyone I meet and everyone I deal with. I judge whether certain clients are worth my time, and I judge whether I think people are trustworthy or not. It doesn’t bother me in the least to admit that.[/quote]
This is the line of thought that provokes a desire to put all kinds of alternate theories on the board especially vis-a-vis “libertarianism”, since you brought it up. What are libertarians doing that is better by virtue of their being libertarian? Why was selling houses in 2005 and 2006, and perhaps even now,(since you think it is all a scam) not doing something really rotten to society that the banks and the government wanted and want you to do? Since we are talking about societal damages, it has nothing to do with what you have told or are telling your individual clients. I think Bill is not being unfair to draw the comparison.

Why are shortsellers better than strategic defaulters(other than a commission can be earned)? They also are just doing what the banks and government want them to do and perhaps saving their credit to an extent that they can do what the banks and the government want them to do again, sooner compared to a foreclosure, with the help of a Realtor.Buyers?Everybody who plays in the real estate market is just doing what the banks and the government want them to do. I think the truly free thing is to not get hung up on it or blow it up.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]Yes Rus I am libertarian since 88 and did vote for Bush, twice in fact. He was horrendous. As far as what Bill does, I don’t care what anyone says, I do not believe it is a victimless crime. As I stated, Bill does what he wants to do but in my opinion it is playing right into the hands of what the govt and the banks want people to do. I think this behavior does help reduce inventory by simply kicking the can down the road and does alleviate the banks of dealing with uninhabited homes. Just my opinion.

As for Bill talking about living the life of a rockstar that is his choice as well. As far as me being judgemental, sure I admit to it freely. I have no problem passing judgement of character. I do it everyday with everyone I meet and everyone I deal with. I judge whether certain clients are worth my time, and I judge whether I think people are trustworthy or not. It doesn’t bother me in the least to admit that.[/quote]
This is the line of thought that provokes a desire to put all kinds of alternate theories on the board especially vis-a-vis “libertarianism”, since you brought it up. What are libertarians doing that is better by virtue of their being libertarian? Why was selling houses in 2005 and 2006, and perhaps even now,(since you think it is all a scam) not doing something really rotten to society that the banks and the government wanted and want you to do? Since we are talking about societal damages, it has nothing to do with what you have told or are telling your individual clients. I think Bill is not being unfair to draw the comparison.

Why are shortsellers better than strategic defaulters(other than a commission can be earned)? They also are just doing what the banks and government want them to do and perhaps saving their credit to an extent that they can do what the banks and the government want them to do again, sooner compared to a foreclosure, with the help of a Realtor.Buyers?Everybody who plays in the real estate market is just doing what the banks and the government want them to do. I think the truly free thing is to not get hung up on it or blow it up.

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