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April 24, 2010 at 10:02 PM #544560April 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM #543610NotCrankyParticipant
[quote=scaredycat]having a purpose and a couple of bucks in the bank are not mutually exclusive.
and the measuring sticks don’t ahve to be cash or stuff.
if you’re an academic, it’s publciations.
if you’re a law or med student, it’s grades.
if you’re a triathlete, it’s times.
wherever you’re going there’s something to measure oyurself against, and it’s probably not escapable, however much you try to pretend you live apart.[/quote]
MLK’s message was to measure people by their character…certainly not their perfomance in a specialized area(wether or not if I share an interest in that specialization). I find that most people,including those I might judge myself against, in any circumstance, are approximately equal to me and often less by this measure . Hat’s off to those who go way above the rest of us… There are not very many.Comparision to the point of depressing onself, is a vexatious habit that is optional.It is the result of conditioning. The right kind of pride wrecks your theory.
April 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM #543725NotCrankyParticipant[quote=scaredycat]having a purpose and a couple of bucks in the bank are not mutually exclusive.
and the measuring sticks don’t ahve to be cash or stuff.
if you’re an academic, it’s publciations.
if you’re a law or med student, it’s grades.
if you’re a triathlete, it’s times.
wherever you’re going there’s something to measure oyurself against, and it’s probably not escapable, however much you try to pretend you live apart.[/quote]
MLK’s message was to measure people by their character…certainly not their perfomance in a specialized area(wether or not if I share an interest in that specialization). I find that most people,including those I might judge myself against, in any circumstance, are approximately equal to me and often less by this measure . Hat’s off to those who go way above the rest of us… There are not very many.Comparision to the point of depressing onself, is a vexatious habit that is optional.It is the result of conditioning. The right kind of pride wrecks your theory.
April 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM #544199NotCrankyParticipant[quote=scaredycat]having a purpose and a couple of bucks in the bank are not mutually exclusive.
and the measuring sticks don’t ahve to be cash or stuff.
if you’re an academic, it’s publciations.
if you’re a law or med student, it’s grades.
if you’re a triathlete, it’s times.
wherever you’re going there’s something to measure oyurself against, and it’s probably not escapable, however much you try to pretend you live apart.[/quote]
MLK’s message was to measure people by their character…certainly not their perfomance in a specialized area(wether or not if I share an interest in that specialization). I find that most people,including those I might judge myself against, in any circumstance, are approximately equal to me and often less by this measure . Hat’s off to those who go way above the rest of us… There are not very many.Comparision to the point of depressing onself, is a vexatious habit that is optional.It is the result of conditioning. The right kind of pride wrecks your theory.
April 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM #544294NotCrankyParticipant[quote=scaredycat]having a purpose and a couple of bucks in the bank are not mutually exclusive.
and the measuring sticks don’t ahve to be cash or stuff.
if you’re an academic, it’s publciations.
if you’re a law or med student, it’s grades.
if you’re a triathlete, it’s times.
wherever you’re going there’s something to measure oyurself against, and it’s probably not escapable, however much you try to pretend you live apart.[/quote]
MLK’s message was to measure people by their character…certainly not their perfomance in a specialized area(wether or not if I share an interest in that specialization). I find that most people,including those I might judge myself against, in any circumstance, are approximately equal to me and often less by this measure . Hat’s off to those who go way above the rest of us… There are not very many.Comparision to the point of depressing onself, is a vexatious habit that is optional.It is the result of conditioning. The right kind of pride wrecks your theory.
April 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM #544565NotCrankyParticipant[quote=scaredycat]having a purpose and a couple of bucks in the bank are not mutually exclusive.
and the measuring sticks don’t ahve to be cash or stuff.
if you’re an academic, it’s publciations.
if you’re a law or med student, it’s grades.
if you’re a triathlete, it’s times.
wherever you’re going there’s something to measure oyurself against, and it’s probably not escapable, however much you try to pretend you live apart.[/quote]
MLK’s message was to measure people by their character…certainly not their perfomance in a specialized area(wether or not if I share an interest in that specialization). I find that most people,including those I might judge myself against, in any circumstance, are approximately equal to me and often less by this measure . Hat’s off to those who go way above the rest of us… There are not very many.Comparision to the point of depressing onself, is a vexatious habit that is optional.It is the result of conditioning. The right kind of pride wrecks your theory.
April 24, 2010 at 11:16 PM #543615scaredyclassicParticipantMLK? you mean martin luther king? the guy who plagiarized his dissertation? might it have had something to dow ith wanting to keep up with his class?
im not saying it’s good to compare yourself to others, or that it wouldnt be desireable to stop. just that it’s so natural i question anyone who says they’re above it.
I even think there are zen cautionary tales about monks competing to be msot deprived and enlightened. It doesn’t matter what the context is, we live by judgments and it’s hat tendency that makes us miserable.
April 24, 2010 at 11:16 PM #543730scaredyclassicParticipantMLK? you mean martin luther king? the guy who plagiarized his dissertation? might it have had something to dow ith wanting to keep up with his class?
im not saying it’s good to compare yourself to others, or that it wouldnt be desireable to stop. just that it’s so natural i question anyone who says they’re above it.
I even think there are zen cautionary tales about monks competing to be msot deprived and enlightened. It doesn’t matter what the context is, we live by judgments and it’s hat tendency that makes us miserable.
April 24, 2010 at 11:16 PM #544204scaredyclassicParticipantMLK? you mean martin luther king? the guy who plagiarized his dissertation? might it have had something to dow ith wanting to keep up with his class?
im not saying it’s good to compare yourself to others, or that it wouldnt be desireable to stop. just that it’s so natural i question anyone who says they’re above it.
I even think there are zen cautionary tales about monks competing to be msot deprived and enlightened. It doesn’t matter what the context is, we live by judgments and it’s hat tendency that makes us miserable.
April 24, 2010 at 11:16 PM #544299scaredyclassicParticipantMLK? you mean martin luther king? the guy who plagiarized his dissertation? might it have had something to dow ith wanting to keep up with his class?
im not saying it’s good to compare yourself to others, or that it wouldnt be desireable to stop. just that it’s so natural i question anyone who says they’re above it.
I even think there are zen cautionary tales about monks competing to be msot deprived and enlightened. It doesn’t matter what the context is, we live by judgments and it’s hat tendency that makes us miserable.
April 24, 2010 at 11:16 PM #544570scaredyclassicParticipantMLK? you mean martin luther king? the guy who plagiarized his dissertation? might it have had something to dow ith wanting to keep up with his class?
im not saying it’s good to compare yourself to others, or that it wouldnt be desireable to stop. just that it’s so natural i question anyone who says they’re above it.
I even think there are zen cautionary tales about monks competing to be msot deprived and enlightened. It doesn’t matter what the context is, we live by judgments and it’s hat tendency that makes us miserable.
April 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM #543620NotCrankyParticipantWhether or not he plagiarized his dissertation doesn’t affect the argument.
I don’t deny the tendency to observe/compare,as you seem to imply. I say that it is not an automatic controlling factor in one’s self perception and happiness unless one is addicted to doing it.Why would one be addicted to doing it?Exceptional insecurity? Neurosis? The activity in itself, when compulsively overdone, is vexatious, counter productive, and creates unhappiness. It’s the person not the environment.
Originally when you introduced the topic you said that to be happy you had to be doing better than 2/3 of the people around you and you framed it in a residential real estate, money making and material possession sense. You have taken it into the medical profession and swim/bike/run events, but it still doesn’t work separate from some unfortunate psychological conditioning. Maybe there is an epidemic of that conditioning, but the responses you claim are by no means innate to humans.
April 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM #543735NotCrankyParticipantWhether or not he plagiarized his dissertation doesn’t affect the argument.
I don’t deny the tendency to observe/compare,as you seem to imply. I say that it is not an automatic controlling factor in one’s self perception and happiness unless one is addicted to doing it.Why would one be addicted to doing it?Exceptional insecurity? Neurosis? The activity in itself, when compulsively overdone, is vexatious, counter productive, and creates unhappiness. It’s the person not the environment.
Originally when you introduced the topic you said that to be happy you had to be doing better than 2/3 of the people around you and you framed it in a residential real estate, money making and material possession sense. You have taken it into the medical profession and swim/bike/run events, but it still doesn’t work separate from some unfortunate psychological conditioning. Maybe there is an epidemic of that conditioning, but the responses you claim are by no means innate to humans.
April 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM #544208NotCrankyParticipantWhether or not he plagiarized his dissertation doesn’t affect the argument.
I don’t deny the tendency to observe/compare,as you seem to imply. I say that it is not an automatic controlling factor in one’s self perception and happiness unless one is addicted to doing it.Why would one be addicted to doing it?Exceptional insecurity? Neurosis? The activity in itself, when compulsively overdone, is vexatious, counter productive, and creates unhappiness. It’s the person not the environment.
Originally when you introduced the topic you said that to be happy you had to be doing better than 2/3 of the people around you and you framed it in a residential real estate, money making and material possession sense. You have taken it into the medical profession and swim/bike/run events, but it still doesn’t work separate from some unfortunate psychological conditioning. Maybe there is an epidemic of that conditioning, but the responses you claim are by no means innate to humans.
April 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM #544304NotCrankyParticipantWhether or not he plagiarized his dissertation doesn’t affect the argument.
I don’t deny the tendency to observe/compare,as you seem to imply. I say that it is not an automatic controlling factor in one’s self perception and happiness unless one is addicted to doing it.Why would one be addicted to doing it?Exceptional insecurity? Neurosis? The activity in itself, when compulsively overdone, is vexatious, counter productive, and creates unhappiness. It’s the person not the environment.
Originally when you introduced the topic you said that to be happy you had to be doing better than 2/3 of the people around you and you framed it in a residential real estate, money making and material possession sense. You have taken it into the medical profession and swim/bike/run events, but it still doesn’t work separate from some unfortunate psychological conditioning. Maybe there is an epidemic of that conditioning, but the responses you claim are by no means innate to humans.
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