Reminder: Your massive property taxes are due

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[quote=briansd1][quote=dbapig]
One more thing. I recently got to talk to a South Korean citizen about schools etc. He’s here for grad school and his son attends an elementary school. He told me he was so shocked to see cutting education budget was one of the first responses when the budget crisis hit CA. When the IMF crisis hit Asia and S Korea, govt and companies were cutting anything and everything. However even during that wrenching time, laying off teachers was never discussed. Not one teacher was laid off for budget reason.
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As I said before, local governments want to cut services that affect most people first as a way to generate support for more taxes. They try to rile-up the soccer moms to campaign for more taxes and services for their children.

The school cuts are politically motivated. There are so many other ways to cut government spending.

I’m glad that this time, it’s not working.[/quote]

@briansd1

I read CA by law can’t cut funding to a lot of the programs/agencies/compensation (about 80% of the total budget I think). Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?

The soccer moms story doesn’t jive with me. The soccer moms I see are from family that own homes or relatively well off so don’t like to see increased tax. They would be last on the list of people who want higher tax, at least to me…

Anyway, if one demands adequate funding for police/fire because they provide absolutely required service to all, I’d think same goes for public education…

[briansd1]

[quote=dbapig]

I read CA by law can’t cut a lot of the services it provides. Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?
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Legalize drugs that people consume anyway. That would not only save a lot of police money but raise money in taxes.

Localities can declare bankruptcy and renegotiate employment contracts. The City of San Diego should do that.

Close the gym at a school in Carmel Valley because of lack of maintenance funds and the parents will be on TV wanting more taxes in no time.

[briansd1]

[quote=dbapig]

I read CA by law can’t cut a lot of the services it provides. Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?
[/quote]

Legalize drugs that people consume anyway. That would not only save a lot of police money but raise money in taxes.

Localities can declare bankruptcy and renegotiate employment contracts. The City of San Diego should do that.

Close the gym at a school in Carmel Valley because of lack of maintenance funds and the parents will be on TV wanting more taxes in no time.

[briansd1]

[quote=dbapig]

I read CA by law can’t cut a lot of the services it provides. Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?
[/quote]

Legalize drugs that people consume anyway. That would not only save a lot of police money but raise money in taxes.

Localities can declare bankruptcy and renegotiate employment contracts. The City of San Diego should do that.

Close the gym at a school in Carmel Valley because of lack of maintenance funds and the parents will be on TV wanting more taxes in no time.

[briansd1]

[quote=dbapig]

I read CA by law can’t cut a lot of the services it provides. Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?
[/quote]

Legalize drugs that people consume anyway. That would not only save a lot of police money but raise money in taxes.

Localities can declare bankruptcy and renegotiate employment contracts. The City of San Diego should do that.

Close the gym at a school in Carmel Valley because of lack of maintenance funds and the parents will be on TV wanting more taxes in no time.

[briansd1]

[quote=dbapig]

I read CA by law can’t cut a lot of the services it provides. Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?
[/quote]

Legalize drugs that people consume anyway. That would not only save a lot of police money but raise money in taxes.

Localities can declare bankruptcy and renegotiate employment contracts. The City of San Diego should do that.

Close the gym at a school in Carmel Valley because of lack of maintenance funds and the parents will be on TV wanting more taxes in no time.

[dbapig]

[quote=briansd1][quote=dbapig]

I read CA by law can’t cut a lot of the services it provides. Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?
[/quote]

Legalize drugs that people consume anyway. That would not only save a lot of police money but raise money in taxes.

Localities can declare bankruptcy and renegotiate employment contracts. The City of San Diego should do that.

Close the gym at a school in Carmel Valley because of lack of maintenance funds and the parents will be on TV wanting more taxes in no time.[/quote]

Awesome ideas! NOT…

[dbapig]

[quote=briansd1][quote=dbapig]

I read CA by law can’t cut a lot of the services it provides. Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?
[/quote]

Legalize drugs that people consume anyway. That would not only save a lot of police money but raise money in taxes.

Localities can declare bankruptcy and renegotiate employment contracts. The City of San Diego should do that.

Close the gym at a school in Carmel Valley because of lack of maintenance funds and the parents will be on TV wanting more taxes in no time.[/quote]

Awesome ideas! NOT…

[dbapig]

[quote=briansd1][quote=dbapig]

I read CA by law can’t cut a lot of the services it provides. Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?
[/quote]

Legalize drugs that people consume anyway. That would not only save a lot of police money but raise money in taxes.

Localities can declare bankruptcy and renegotiate employment contracts. The City of San Diego should do that.

Close the gym at a school in Carmel Valley because of lack of maintenance funds and the parents will be on TV wanting more taxes in no time.[/quote]

Awesome ideas! NOT…

[dbapig]

[quote=briansd1][quote=dbapig]

I read CA by law can’t cut a lot of the services it provides. Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?
[/quote]

Legalize drugs that people consume anyway. That would not only save a lot of police money but raise money in taxes.

Localities can declare bankruptcy and renegotiate employment contracts. The City of San Diego should do that.

Close the gym at a school in Carmel Valley because of lack of maintenance funds and the parents will be on TV wanting more taxes in no time.[/quote]

Awesome ideas! NOT…

[dbapig]

[quote=briansd1][quote=dbapig]

I read CA by law can’t cut a lot of the services it provides. Think I heard on radio. It obviously can’t cut police/jail-guards too much. Can’t cut pension to state employees which is contractual agreement. What are the other ways to cut spending?
[/quote]

Legalize drugs that people consume anyway. That would not only save a lot of police money but raise money in taxes.

Localities can declare bankruptcy and renegotiate employment contracts. The City of San Diego should do that.

Close the gym at a school in Carmel Valley because of lack of maintenance funds and the parents will be on TV wanting more taxes in no time.[/quote]

Awesome ideas! NOT…

[UCGal]

[quote=dbapig]Is there anyone on this thread who’s old enough to remember what happened to schools when prop 13 passed?

I heard someone talk about what happened in his high school when this passed. He said the following year most of the after school programs were cancelled for lack of fund.

This thread made me look into prop 13 in more detail. Looks like negatives outweigh positives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)

One more thing. I recently got to talk to a South Korean citizen about schools etc. He’s here for grad school and his son attends an elementary school. He told me he was so shocked to see cutting education budget was one of the first responses when the budget crisis hit CA. When the IMF crisis hit Asia and S Korea, govt and companies were cutting anything and everything. However even during that wrenching time, laying off teachers was never discussed. Not one teacher was laid off for budget reason.

I know the 2 nations have different make up of population and one has big illegal immigration problem but still something to think about.[/quote]

I’m going to raise my hand and admit I’m old enough to remember. It’s not quite as clear cut as you show it.

Yes – budgets were cut to schools with Prop 13… and to a lot of other services. I was in high school when it passed – so I didn’t feel the effect till the cuts hit the CSU system a few years later.

The CA lottery came online around that time to “make up the difference” – all of the revenue from the lottery is *supposed* to go to schools. It obviously doesn’t. I was at SDSU in the early 80’s when they literally cut every part time and non-tenured professor. It was impossible to get classes… Crashing at the beginning of the semester was ruthless! They also cut back hours to Love Library, etc.

That said – I’m watching with an apples to apples comparison… My kids are attending the same elementary school that I did. When I attended in the 60’s (pre-prop 13) class sizes were much larger than they are today. So some things improved after (despite?) prop 13.

I also live on a block where at least half of the residents either bought from their parents or have lived there since pre-prop13… Obviously, as a group, we’re not paying our “fair share”. But it’s hard to say that a person who bought a house to live in for $25k in 1964 should pay taxes on it at the market rate of ~$650k.

Ironically – I paid more in property taxes on a much less expensive home outside Philadelphia. Elementary schools are comparable.

[UCGal]

[quote=dbapig]Is there anyone on this thread who’s old enough to remember what happened to schools when prop 13 passed?

I heard someone talk about what happened in his high school when this passed. He said the following year most of the after school programs were cancelled for lack of fund.

This thread made me look into prop 13 in more detail. Looks like negatives outweigh positives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)

One more thing. I recently got to talk to a South Korean citizen about schools etc. He’s here for grad school and his son attends an elementary school. He told me he was so shocked to see cutting education budget was one of the first responses when the budget crisis hit CA. When the IMF crisis hit Asia and S Korea, govt and companies were cutting anything and everything. However even during that wrenching time, laying off teachers was never discussed. Not one teacher was laid off for budget reason.

I know the 2 nations have different make up of population and one has big illegal immigration problem but still something to think about.[/quote]

I’m going to raise my hand and admit I’m old enough to remember. It’s not quite as clear cut as you show it.

Yes – budgets were cut to schools with Prop 13… and to a lot of other services. I was in high school when it passed – so I didn’t feel the effect till the cuts hit the CSU system a few years later.

The CA lottery came online around that time to “make up the difference” – all of the revenue from the lottery is *supposed* to go to schools. It obviously doesn’t. I was at SDSU in the early 80’s when they literally cut every part time and non-tenured professor. It was impossible to get classes… Crashing at the beginning of the semester was ruthless! They also cut back hours to Love Library, etc.

That said – I’m watching with an apples to apples comparison… My kids are attending the same elementary school that I did. When I attended in the 60’s (pre-prop 13) class sizes were much larger than they are today. So some things improved after (despite?) prop 13.

I also live on a block where at least half of the residents either bought from their parents or have lived there since pre-prop13… Obviously, as a group, we’re not paying our “fair share”. But it’s hard to say that a person who bought a house to live in for $25k in 1964 should pay taxes on it at the market rate of ~$650k.

Ironically – I paid more in property taxes on a much less expensive home outside Philadelphia. Elementary schools are comparable.

[UCGal]

[quote=dbapig]Is there anyone on this thread who’s old enough to remember what happened to schools when prop 13 passed?

I heard someone talk about what happened in his high school when this passed. He said the following year most of the after school programs were cancelled for lack of fund.

This thread made me look into prop 13 in more detail. Looks like negatives outweigh positives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)

One more thing. I recently got to talk to a South Korean citizen about schools etc. He’s here for grad school and his son attends an elementary school. He told me he was so shocked to see cutting education budget was one of the first responses when the budget crisis hit CA. When the IMF crisis hit Asia and S Korea, govt and companies were cutting anything and everything. However even during that wrenching time, laying off teachers was never discussed. Not one teacher was laid off for budget reason.

I know the 2 nations have different make up of population and one has big illegal immigration problem but still something to think about.[/quote]

I’m going to raise my hand and admit I’m old enough to remember. It’s not quite as clear cut as you show it.

Yes – budgets were cut to schools with Prop 13… and to a lot of other services. I was in high school when it passed – so I didn’t feel the effect till the cuts hit the CSU system a few years later.

The CA lottery came online around that time to “make up the difference” – all of the revenue from the lottery is *supposed* to go to schools. It obviously doesn’t. I was at SDSU in the early 80’s when they literally cut every part time and non-tenured professor. It was impossible to get classes… Crashing at the beginning of the semester was ruthless! They also cut back hours to Love Library, etc.

That said – I’m watching with an apples to apples comparison… My kids are attending the same elementary school that I did. When I attended in the 60’s (pre-prop 13) class sizes were much larger than they are today. So some things improved after (despite?) prop 13.

I also live on a block where at least half of the residents either bought from their parents or have lived there since pre-prop13… Obviously, as a group, we’re not paying our “fair share”. But it’s hard to say that a person who bought a house to live in for $25k in 1964 should pay taxes on it at the market rate of ~$650k.

Ironically – I paid more in property taxes on a much less expensive home outside Philadelphia. Elementary schools are comparable.

[UCGal]

[quote=dbapig]Is there anyone on this thread who’s old enough to remember what happened to schools when prop 13 passed?

I heard someone talk about what happened in his high school when this passed. He said the following year most of the after school programs were cancelled for lack of fund.

This thread made me look into prop 13 in more detail. Looks like negatives outweigh positives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)

One more thing. I recently got to talk to a South Korean citizen about schools etc. He’s here for grad school and his son attends an elementary school. He told me he was so shocked to see cutting education budget was one of the first responses when the budget crisis hit CA. When the IMF crisis hit Asia and S Korea, govt and companies were cutting anything and everything. However even during that wrenching time, laying off teachers was never discussed. Not one teacher was laid off for budget reason.

I know the 2 nations have different make up of population and one has big illegal immigration problem but still something to think about.[/quote]

I’m going to raise my hand and admit I’m old enough to remember. It’s not quite as clear cut as you show it.

Yes – budgets were cut to schools with Prop 13… and to a lot of other services. I was in high school when it passed – so I didn’t feel the effect till the cuts hit the CSU system a few years later.

The CA lottery came online around that time to “make up the difference” – all of the revenue from the lottery is *supposed* to go to schools. It obviously doesn’t. I was at SDSU in the early 80’s when they literally cut every part time and non-tenured professor. It was impossible to get classes… Crashing at the beginning of the semester was ruthless! They also cut back hours to Love Library, etc.

That said – I’m watching with an apples to apples comparison… My kids are attending the same elementary school that I did. When I attended in the 60’s (pre-prop 13) class sizes were much larger than they are today. So some things improved after (despite?) prop 13.

I also live on a block where at least half of the residents either bought from their parents or have lived there since pre-prop13… Obviously, as a group, we’re not paying our “fair share”. But it’s hard to say that a person who bought a house to live in for $25k in 1964 should pay taxes on it at the market rate of ~$650k.

Ironically – I paid more in property taxes on a much less expensive home outside Philadelphia. Elementary schools are comparable.

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