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December 12, 2007 at 9:50 PM #115914December 13, 2007 at 8:33 AM #115909RaybyrnesParticipant
HLS
“Shopping for a rate is exactly what gets you into this mess.
Until you know what you actually qualify for, you will be fooled by the best liar.”
Have to say that I am in total agreement on this. A person can tell uyou anything you want to hear. Rate is 5% on 30 year fixed are we “closing in the next hour”. No. Okay then we will ahve to see where the creditmarkets are at on that day.
I remember when I worked in Fleet sales that there would be a number of Manufacturers rebates that came up after I ahd signed orders. At that point I had a decision to make I could call the client and inform them of the good luck or pocket the difference.
I had the luxury of working for a company that was focused on the customer so I didn’t catch heat for calling my customer and making them aware of the reduction. I knew that over the long haul that would realize my intention was to build and long and last relationship. If they didn’t recognise my value then I wanted to drop their busienss.
I would think that the mortgage business will present similar oppotunities for a mortgage professional. Many will pocket the difference. The better ones who seek long term business and referrals will inform the borrower and will still make a good living for themselves with repeat business.
December 13, 2007 at 8:33 AM #116040RaybyrnesParticipantHLS
“Shopping for a rate is exactly what gets you into this mess.
Until you know what you actually qualify for, you will be fooled by the best liar.”
Have to say that I am in total agreement on this. A person can tell uyou anything you want to hear. Rate is 5% on 30 year fixed are we “closing in the next hour”. No. Okay then we will ahve to see where the creditmarkets are at on that day.
I remember when I worked in Fleet sales that there would be a number of Manufacturers rebates that came up after I ahd signed orders. At that point I had a decision to make I could call the client and inform them of the good luck or pocket the difference.
I had the luxury of working for a company that was focused on the customer so I didn’t catch heat for calling my customer and making them aware of the reduction. I knew that over the long haul that would realize my intention was to build and long and last relationship. If they didn’t recognise my value then I wanted to drop their busienss.
I would think that the mortgage business will present similar oppotunities for a mortgage professional. Many will pocket the difference. The better ones who seek long term business and referrals will inform the borrower and will still make a good living for themselves with repeat business.
December 13, 2007 at 8:33 AM #116070RaybyrnesParticipantHLS
“Shopping for a rate is exactly what gets you into this mess.
Until you know what you actually qualify for, you will be fooled by the best liar.”
Have to say that I am in total agreement on this. A person can tell uyou anything you want to hear. Rate is 5% on 30 year fixed are we “closing in the next hour”. No. Okay then we will ahve to see where the creditmarkets are at on that day.
I remember when I worked in Fleet sales that there would be a number of Manufacturers rebates that came up after I ahd signed orders. At that point I had a decision to make I could call the client and inform them of the good luck or pocket the difference.
I had the luxury of working for a company that was focused on the customer so I didn’t catch heat for calling my customer and making them aware of the reduction. I knew that over the long haul that would realize my intention was to build and long and last relationship. If they didn’t recognise my value then I wanted to drop their busienss.
I would think that the mortgage business will present similar oppotunities for a mortgage professional. Many will pocket the difference. The better ones who seek long term business and referrals will inform the borrower and will still make a good living for themselves with repeat business.
December 13, 2007 at 8:33 AM #116076RaybyrnesParticipantHLS
“Shopping for a rate is exactly what gets you into this mess.
Until you know what you actually qualify for, you will be fooled by the best liar.”
Have to say that I am in total agreement on this. A person can tell uyou anything you want to hear. Rate is 5% on 30 year fixed are we “closing in the next hour”. No. Okay then we will ahve to see where the creditmarkets are at on that day.
I remember when I worked in Fleet sales that there would be a number of Manufacturers rebates that came up after I ahd signed orders. At that point I had a decision to make I could call the client and inform them of the good luck or pocket the difference.
I had the luxury of working for a company that was focused on the customer so I didn’t catch heat for calling my customer and making them aware of the reduction. I knew that over the long haul that would realize my intention was to build and long and last relationship. If they didn’t recognise my value then I wanted to drop their busienss.
I would think that the mortgage business will present similar oppotunities for a mortgage professional. Many will pocket the difference. The better ones who seek long term business and referrals will inform the borrower and will still make a good living for themselves with repeat business.
December 13, 2007 at 8:33 AM #116117RaybyrnesParticipantHLS
“Shopping for a rate is exactly what gets you into this mess.
Until you know what you actually qualify for, you will be fooled by the best liar.”
Have to say that I am in total agreement on this. A person can tell uyou anything you want to hear. Rate is 5% on 30 year fixed are we “closing in the next hour”. No. Okay then we will ahve to see where the creditmarkets are at on that day.
I remember when I worked in Fleet sales that there would be a number of Manufacturers rebates that came up after I ahd signed orders. At that point I had a decision to make I could call the client and inform them of the good luck or pocket the difference.
I had the luxury of working for a company that was focused on the customer so I didn’t catch heat for calling my customer and making them aware of the reduction. I knew that over the long haul that would realize my intention was to build and long and last relationship. If they didn’t recognise my value then I wanted to drop their busienss.
I would think that the mortgage business will present similar oppotunities for a mortgage professional. Many will pocket the difference. The better ones who seek long term business and referrals will inform the borrower and will still make a good living for themselves with repeat business.
December 13, 2007 at 9:50 AM #115984HLSParticipantI don’t pull anything over on anyone.
I had a borrower happy with a PAR 5.75% rate 2 weeks ago, so I locked it, but ended up taking him to another lender for 5.625%. Saved them money, at no extra cost to them.
Did I have to do this ? NO.Auto finance is a good analogy, but it isn’t regulated through an escrow company.
What most people don’t understand is everything through a broker shop is regulated, and escrow disburses funds.
There are NO backdoor deals or rebates or commissions or YSP or bonuses or any other form of compensation that is paid outside of escrow. It’s illegal.
What is paid through escrow is on the statement.A PAR rate doesn’t pay a penny of compensation, not 1c.
The are still PLENTY of whores in the industry and no shortage of johns lining up for their services.
To the stubborn mules that think going directly to a bank will always get them the best rate, ignorance is bliss.
I’m still waiting for proof from a couple of morons on this site that were going to prove that interest only loans pay a higher commission than other loans. They refuse to believe that a par loan pays NOTHING, that’s why a fee needs to be charged.
A direct lender (Bank, etc) does not and will not disclose the back end overcharging. They don’t have to.
Mortgage brokers were cutting into the banking business so the banking industry lobbied and came up with a way to try and screw the brokerage business. The result was that brokers’ need to disclose everything, TO THE PENNY, and banks have to disclose nothing, giving the false impression that banks are cheaper.
If you find an honest person at a broker shop to give you the PAR rate for a reasonable fee that is what you want.
Shopping by rate is simply STUPID.
Rates change, ethics don’t.Average people are blinded by monthly payments regardless of rates or fees just like on cars.
The best PAR rate that I have today is 5.875%. It was 5.50% last week. That will cost a fee to get, usually 1% of loan amount. Go knock yourself out shopping around. I don’t even know what you qualify for, but that’s the rate today.
Had a guy in Bressi Ranch recently that was proud of his loan. They paid 2.75% to a “friend” in origination fee, over $13,000. I could do that loan for an enemy for $5000, and get them a better rate.
With friends like his, he doesn’t need enemies.There are other fees for title, escrow, etc that don’t net me a penny, but I know who has the best deal and can get the job done.
The ignorance of some educated people is astounding.
December 13, 2007 at 9:50 AM #116114HLSParticipantI don’t pull anything over on anyone.
I had a borrower happy with a PAR 5.75% rate 2 weeks ago, so I locked it, but ended up taking him to another lender for 5.625%. Saved them money, at no extra cost to them.
Did I have to do this ? NO.Auto finance is a good analogy, but it isn’t regulated through an escrow company.
What most people don’t understand is everything through a broker shop is regulated, and escrow disburses funds.
There are NO backdoor deals or rebates or commissions or YSP or bonuses or any other form of compensation that is paid outside of escrow. It’s illegal.
What is paid through escrow is on the statement.A PAR rate doesn’t pay a penny of compensation, not 1c.
The are still PLENTY of whores in the industry and no shortage of johns lining up for their services.
To the stubborn mules that think going directly to a bank will always get them the best rate, ignorance is bliss.
I’m still waiting for proof from a couple of morons on this site that were going to prove that interest only loans pay a higher commission than other loans. They refuse to believe that a par loan pays NOTHING, that’s why a fee needs to be charged.
A direct lender (Bank, etc) does not and will not disclose the back end overcharging. They don’t have to.
Mortgage brokers were cutting into the banking business so the banking industry lobbied and came up with a way to try and screw the brokerage business. The result was that brokers’ need to disclose everything, TO THE PENNY, and banks have to disclose nothing, giving the false impression that banks are cheaper.
If you find an honest person at a broker shop to give you the PAR rate for a reasonable fee that is what you want.
Shopping by rate is simply STUPID.
Rates change, ethics don’t.Average people are blinded by monthly payments regardless of rates or fees just like on cars.
The best PAR rate that I have today is 5.875%. It was 5.50% last week. That will cost a fee to get, usually 1% of loan amount. Go knock yourself out shopping around. I don’t even know what you qualify for, but that’s the rate today.
Had a guy in Bressi Ranch recently that was proud of his loan. They paid 2.75% to a “friend” in origination fee, over $13,000. I could do that loan for an enemy for $5000, and get them a better rate.
With friends like his, he doesn’t need enemies.There are other fees for title, escrow, etc that don’t net me a penny, but I know who has the best deal and can get the job done.
The ignorance of some educated people is astounding.
December 13, 2007 at 9:50 AM #116146HLSParticipantI don’t pull anything over on anyone.
I had a borrower happy with a PAR 5.75% rate 2 weeks ago, so I locked it, but ended up taking him to another lender for 5.625%. Saved them money, at no extra cost to them.
Did I have to do this ? NO.Auto finance is a good analogy, but it isn’t regulated through an escrow company.
What most people don’t understand is everything through a broker shop is regulated, and escrow disburses funds.
There are NO backdoor deals or rebates or commissions or YSP or bonuses or any other form of compensation that is paid outside of escrow. It’s illegal.
What is paid through escrow is on the statement.A PAR rate doesn’t pay a penny of compensation, not 1c.
The are still PLENTY of whores in the industry and no shortage of johns lining up for their services.
To the stubborn mules that think going directly to a bank will always get them the best rate, ignorance is bliss.
I’m still waiting for proof from a couple of morons on this site that were going to prove that interest only loans pay a higher commission than other loans. They refuse to believe that a par loan pays NOTHING, that’s why a fee needs to be charged.
A direct lender (Bank, etc) does not and will not disclose the back end overcharging. They don’t have to.
Mortgage brokers were cutting into the banking business so the banking industry lobbied and came up with a way to try and screw the brokerage business. The result was that brokers’ need to disclose everything, TO THE PENNY, and banks have to disclose nothing, giving the false impression that banks are cheaper.
If you find an honest person at a broker shop to give you the PAR rate for a reasonable fee that is what you want.
Shopping by rate is simply STUPID.
Rates change, ethics don’t.Average people are blinded by monthly payments regardless of rates or fees just like on cars.
The best PAR rate that I have today is 5.875%. It was 5.50% last week. That will cost a fee to get, usually 1% of loan amount. Go knock yourself out shopping around. I don’t even know what you qualify for, but that’s the rate today.
Had a guy in Bressi Ranch recently that was proud of his loan. They paid 2.75% to a “friend” in origination fee, over $13,000. I could do that loan for an enemy for $5000, and get them a better rate.
With friends like his, he doesn’t need enemies.There are other fees for title, escrow, etc that don’t net me a penny, but I know who has the best deal and can get the job done.
The ignorance of some educated people is astounding.
December 13, 2007 at 9:50 AM #116149HLSParticipantI don’t pull anything over on anyone.
I had a borrower happy with a PAR 5.75% rate 2 weeks ago, so I locked it, but ended up taking him to another lender for 5.625%. Saved them money, at no extra cost to them.
Did I have to do this ? NO.Auto finance is a good analogy, but it isn’t regulated through an escrow company.
What most people don’t understand is everything through a broker shop is regulated, and escrow disburses funds.
There are NO backdoor deals or rebates or commissions or YSP or bonuses or any other form of compensation that is paid outside of escrow. It’s illegal.
What is paid through escrow is on the statement.A PAR rate doesn’t pay a penny of compensation, not 1c.
The are still PLENTY of whores in the industry and no shortage of johns lining up for their services.
To the stubborn mules that think going directly to a bank will always get them the best rate, ignorance is bliss.
I’m still waiting for proof from a couple of morons on this site that were going to prove that interest only loans pay a higher commission than other loans. They refuse to believe that a par loan pays NOTHING, that’s why a fee needs to be charged.
A direct lender (Bank, etc) does not and will not disclose the back end overcharging. They don’t have to.
Mortgage brokers were cutting into the banking business so the banking industry lobbied and came up with a way to try and screw the brokerage business. The result was that brokers’ need to disclose everything, TO THE PENNY, and banks have to disclose nothing, giving the false impression that banks are cheaper.
If you find an honest person at a broker shop to give you the PAR rate for a reasonable fee that is what you want.
Shopping by rate is simply STUPID.
Rates change, ethics don’t.Average people are blinded by monthly payments regardless of rates or fees just like on cars.
The best PAR rate that I have today is 5.875%. It was 5.50% last week. That will cost a fee to get, usually 1% of loan amount. Go knock yourself out shopping around. I don’t even know what you qualify for, but that’s the rate today.
Had a guy in Bressi Ranch recently that was proud of his loan. They paid 2.75% to a “friend” in origination fee, over $13,000. I could do that loan for an enemy for $5000, and get them a better rate.
With friends like his, he doesn’t need enemies.There are other fees for title, escrow, etc that don’t net me a penny, but I know who has the best deal and can get the job done.
The ignorance of some educated people is astounding.
December 13, 2007 at 9:50 AM #116191HLSParticipantI don’t pull anything over on anyone.
I had a borrower happy with a PAR 5.75% rate 2 weeks ago, so I locked it, but ended up taking him to another lender for 5.625%. Saved them money, at no extra cost to them.
Did I have to do this ? NO.Auto finance is a good analogy, but it isn’t regulated through an escrow company.
What most people don’t understand is everything through a broker shop is regulated, and escrow disburses funds.
There are NO backdoor deals or rebates or commissions or YSP or bonuses or any other form of compensation that is paid outside of escrow. It’s illegal.
What is paid through escrow is on the statement.A PAR rate doesn’t pay a penny of compensation, not 1c.
The are still PLENTY of whores in the industry and no shortage of johns lining up for their services.
To the stubborn mules that think going directly to a bank will always get them the best rate, ignorance is bliss.
I’m still waiting for proof from a couple of morons on this site that were going to prove that interest only loans pay a higher commission than other loans. They refuse to believe that a par loan pays NOTHING, that’s why a fee needs to be charged.
A direct lender (Bank, etc) does not and will not disclose the back end overcharging. They don’t have to.
Mortgage brokers were cutting into the banking business so the banking industry lobbied and came up with a way to try and screw the brokerage business. The result was that brokers’ need to disclose everything, TO THE PENNY, and banks have to disclose nothing, giving the false impression that banks are cheaper.
If you find an honest person at a broker shop to give you the PAR rate for a reasonable fee that is what you want.
Shopping by rate is simply STUPID.
Rates change, ethics don’t.Average people are blinded by monthly payments regardless of rates or fees just like on cars.
The best PAR rate that I have today is 5.875%. It was 5.50% last week. That will cost a fee to get, usually 1% of loan amount. Go knock yourself out shopping around. I don’t even know what you qualify for, but that’s the rate today.
Had a guy in Bressi Ranch recently that was proud of his loan. They paid 2.75% to a “friend” in origination fee, over $13,000. I could do that loan for an enemy for $5000, and get them a better rate.
With friends like his, he doesn’t need enemies.There are other fees for title, escrow, etc that don’t net me a penny, but I know who has the best deal and can get the job done.
The ignorance of some educated people is astounding.
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