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April 3, 2016 at 10:38 PM #796350April 26, 2016 at 11:41 PM #797008
FlyerInHi
GuestTrump did well tonight. Looks like he is only 2 states from victory.
April 27, 2016 at 9:23 AM #797009zk
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It is “unusual” to claim Republican strategy is a failure when it has control of both houses of Congress for the first time since 2002. In addition, it achieve its largest majority in the house since 1929. So, let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Republican party are doing “mind-numingly dumb things”, they know exactly what they are doing. And most importantly, they are winning and winning yuuuuuuge.[/quote]
Winning elections does not mean that you know what you’re doing. Unless your only goal is winning elections. Which is exactly the problem with republicans. They’re not interested in running the country, they’re interested in winning elections. And why are they winning elections, even if they can’t govern? Two main reasons, in my opinion: Gerrymandering of districts, and the right-wing noise machine’s brilliant manipulation of the emotions of millions Americans. Americans who are, thanks to that manipulation, far angrier and more fearful than they need to be, but whose concocted fear and anger play right into republicans’ hands.
April 27, 2016 at 9:57 AM #797010bearishgurl
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Trump did well tonight. Looks like he is only 2 states from victory.
[/quote]Regardless of all the current spew blasting out of the MSM, the RNC has emphatically stated that they will “follow their long-held rules” and stand by whichever candidate obtains 1237 votes in the primaries. All that “RNC anti-Trump agenda” squawk I’m still getting texted to me at this late date :=0 is just that …. squawk, with a megaphone. It’s specifically engineered to keep the (mostly ignorant) pink-tinted sheeple agitated and riled up about how “unfair” it all is.See: http://www.c-span.org/video/?408488-1/rnc-spring-meeting&start=967
Roll call and the Pledge of Allegiance end at 9:41 into the above (4/22/16) broadcast.
I’ve been sending this link to my local peeps who are religiously following FoxNews and OAN and still texting me clips and outrageous FB pages.
I just repeatedly tell them I can’t watch Cable news outlets (no TV) or FB (don’t belong to it) so please watch this “boring” bureaucratic public television meeting instead of your “daytime drama” and you might learn something :=D
I think way too many people are becoming overly-opinionated about politics this election year (even those who have never voted or have only voted sporadically) who have absolutely no clue how the actual “system” works, lol ……
April 27, 2016 at 10:21 AM #797011Participant[quote=zk][quote=utcsox]
It is “unusual” to claim Republican strategy is a failure when it has control of both houses of Congress for the first time since 2002. In addition, it achieve its largest majority in the house since 1929. So, let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Republican party are doing “mind-numingly dumb things”, they know exactly what they are doing. And most importantly, they are winning and winning yuuuuuuge.[/quote]
Winning elections does not mean that you know what you’re doing. Unless your only goal is winning elections. Which is exactly the problem with republicans. They’re not interested in running the country, they’re interested in winning elections. And why are they winning elections, even if they can’t govern? Two main reasons, in my opinion: Gerrymandering of districts, and the right-wing noise machine’s brilliant manipulation of the emotions of millions Americans. Americans who are, thanks to that manipulation, far angrier and more fearful than they need to be, but whose concocted fear and anger play right into republicans’ hands.[/quote]zk, I’m don’t feel the RNC “runs” the right-wing noise machine. And they ARE running the show, btw. This extremely diverse group of volunteer delegates only care about following the framework laid out before them (which they signed up to) and the wishes of their OWN “constituency.” They are of all races, Nationalities, cultures and income levels and (literally) hail from around the world (incl Puerto Rico, Guam [also repping the NMI of Tinian, Rota and Saipan], American Samoa and the Virgin Islands).
I think the RWNM’s “news” slant in recent years may have been heavily influenced by Big Money who has traditionally backed Republican candidates …. relative to who owns and runs these stations.
April 27, 2016 at 10:28 AM #797012ParticipantIn short, the RWNM is trying valiantly to keep this drama continually going day after day on National television by “creating” future scenarios which don’t exist.
The actual truth is too “boring,” and won’t garner more viewers.
The candidates just need to plug on and ignore all this crap and pay attention to the road before them … as they are all doing. Even Trump has figured out that he doesn’t need to respond to everything negative said about him on the airwaves … as he has done for “effect” in the past.
Time for all of them to get serious now, keep rolling and pander to the delegates as well as the voters. THAT’s where the rubber meets the road.
April 27, 2016 at 11:03 AM #797013Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Trump did well tonight. Looks like he is only 2 states from victory.
[/quote]Just read the article in your link, FIH, which may have been published prior to the close of the polls yesterday.
. . . One big reason Mr. Trump’s math looks so good is something he has complained mightily about: party rules. In fact, the delegate rules (mostly favoring the winner, as opposed to proportional allocation) worked in his favor on Tuesday, and those rules allowed him to amass nearly half of the pledged delegates heading into the night, despite 38 percent support in the popular vote before Tuesday.
Mr. Trump won at least 105 of the 118 pledged delegates Tuesday, with the potential to win even more if the final count broke his way ….
It confirms my assertion that the “system” is working as it should (except for Colo, where the laws in this regard will likely be repealed prior to the next major election cycle).
In any case, all of the candidates for POTUS were given the detailed rules of each state’s primary/caucus long before they hit the campaign trail (nearly a year ago).
April 27, 2016 at 11:26 AM #797014livinincali
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Winning elections does not mean that you know what you’re doing. Unless your only goal is winning elections. Which is exactly the problem with republicans. They’re not interested in running the country, they’re interested in winning elections. And why are they winning elections, even if they can’t govern? Two main reasons, in my opinion: Gerrymandering of districts, and the right-wing noise machine’s brilliant manipulation of the emotions of millions Americans. Americans who are, thanks to that manipulation, far angrier and more fearful than they need to be, but whose concocted fear and anger play right into republicans’ hands.[/quote]I don’t think Democrats or Republicans do a significantly better job of governing. Most of the progress made on LGBT rights has been through the Judicial system. CA did vote to ban gay marriage when Obama was initially elected in 2008. Prop 8 got Yes votes from nearly 80% of the black vote which also voted almost exclusively for Obama. Different issues matter for different people. It’s interesting that a minority group would vote for Obama in an belief that he would progress on their agenda but vote against another group of minorities in the LGBT community..
The last major piece of federal legislation that came from an all controlled executive and congress was Obamacare by the democrats. I don’t think even the supporters of Obamacare think that it is a really good piece of successful legislation as it stands now. Everybody wants to make changes to it. Even Obama himself is postponing that negative/bad parts of the law, so certainly it isn’t perfect as it stands now. Maybe it’s a step towards the progressive single payer dream, but wouldn’t have been a lot more successful governing if you actually went down that path from the get go.
April 27, 2016 at 11:43 AM #797015njtosd
Participant[quote=livinincali][quote=zk]
Winning elections does not mean that you know what you’re doing. Unless your only goal is winning elections. Which is exactly the problem with republicans. They’re not interested in running the country, they’re interested in winning elections. And why are they winning elections, even if they can’t govern? Two main reasons, in my opinion: Gerrymandering of districts, and the right-wing noise machine’s brilliant manipulation of the emotions of millions Americans. Americans who are, thanks to that manipulation, far angrier and more fearful than they need to be, but whose concocted fear and anger play right into republicans’ hands.[/quote]I don’t think Democrats or Republicans do a significantly better job of governing. Most of the progress made on LGBT rights has been through the Judicial system. CA did vote to ban gay marriage when Obama was initially elected in 2008. Prop 8 got Yes votes from nearly 80% of the black vote which also voted almost exclusively for Obama. Different issues matter for different people. It’s interesting that a minority group would vote for Obama in an belief that he would progress on their agenda but vote against another group of minorities in the LGBT community..
The last major piece of federal legislation that came from an all controlled executive and congress was Obamacare by the democrats. I don’t think even the supporters of Obamacare think that it is a really good piece of successful legislation as it stands now. Everybody wants to make changes to it. Even Obama himself is postponing that negative/bad parts of the law, so certainly it isn’t perfect as it stands now. Maybe it’s a step towards the progressive single payer dream, but wouldn’t have been a lot more successful governing if you actually went down that path from the get go.[/quote]
I have a pretty good source that says the ACA legislation, which they were in a hurry to introduce, was hundreds of pages long, written by a group of people, hastily assembled and not proofread. How can you ethically promote laws created this way when they will impact the lives of millions (especially the ones to whom you promised hope and change)? As the old saying goes, “the two things you never want to see being made are laws and sausages.”
April 27, 2016 at 1:50 PM #797018Guestnjtosd, ACA was negotiated over 2 years, and passed in 2010. Obama tried a not successful bi-partisan approach.
April 27, 2016 at 5:08 PM #797019Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]njtosd, ACA was negotiated over 2 years, and passed in 2010. Obama tried a not successful bi-partisan approach.[/quote]If the (nearly all) Dems in Congress had over 2 years and there was as much “haggling” over the bill as you claim, then why didn’t our 35 (out of 53) Reps in Congress who voted for it (led down that garden path by their “principal hack,” Nancy Pelosi) take into account the laws already on the books of their great state?? Did they have any idea that some of the “fine print” in the ACA would conflict with and/or expand the powers the gubment had due to laws already passed???
By not doing their homework by reading and studying the ACA’s fine print with a fine-toothed comb, even though they purportedly had TWO YEARS to do so, our elected officials who were supposed to be seeing to our best interests essentially sold their constituency (us) down the river …. especially their own “brethren” (the 55-64 year-old set) who were at the core of their most established, diehard supporters. They ALL had Legislative Analysts from their respective local offices who could assist with this while they fulfilled their duties elsewhere. Why didn’t they utilize them??
I don’t believe for one second that NONE of our reps were familiar with laws already on Cali’s books which could override, conflict with and/or muddy the waters of the language in the ACA, including:
http://www.dhcs.ca.gov/services/Pages/TPLRD_ER_cont.aspx
https://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Guidance/Transmittals/downloads/r75sm3.pdf
http://www.dhcs.ca.gov/services/Pages/FederalandStateLawsGoverningEstateRecovery.aspx
And our Reps had to have known that, as a consequence of forming Covered CA (our state healthcare exchange, essentially being created as the “quasi-gubmental gatekeeper” of nearly ALL the healthplans sold on CA’s individual market), that the major carriers long doing biz in the state could vote with their feet after the inception of the ACA’s passage into law … in short order … which is actually what happened. DUH!
They ALSO had to have known that after the ACA was passed into law, the CA DHCS was going to run how Covered CA would operate and in doing so, they would use their County Medi-Cal Agencies (subdivisions of themselves) to essentially run the show! If our reps didn’t “think thru” the enormous ramifications of expanding our (already overloaded) Medi-Cal system before they voted on it (which historically had a dearth of member-providers to treat their existing indigent patients), they either had their heads up their a$$es or were grossly incompetent … or both.
Our own Reps here in the Golden State screwed us all and especially royally effed over their many millions of mostly asset-rich, lower income “brethren.” If overlooking these troublesome facts was not “intentional” during the “negotiation phase” of the ACA then they were hopelessly incompetent and should have never been elected to their post in the first place. That’s 35 votes that should have never gone that direction and Cali is only ONE state! In region 1 (roughly the northern third of the state), providers have been leaving these small towns in droves since 1/1/14, causing residents of rural counties to have to travel ~3 hours just to get a simple routine scan!
It would be very interesting to poll these (mostly former) state reps today one by one and ask them what was running through their heads when they voted the ACA (and expanded Medi-Cal) into law. Did they somehow believe that passing a “law” of which won’t really function well in the “real world” due to neglecting to get all the “moving parts” (i.e. providers and carriers) completely on board with it first would actually work for those it was intended to benefit . . . or even wise?
In some states, the “Obamacare system” is completely hopeless for all ages because few (and dwindling) providers are cooperating with it and the members of “marketplace” healthplans in those states are paying monthly premiums into thin air … for nothing. Thank G@d some of those states have numerous IHS hospitals and clinics to serve their HUGE eligible population. Were it not for the IHS (and tribal sovereignity …. legal and financial) the healthcare situation in those states would no doubt be extremely dire.
The sooner the ACA is scrapped, the better off we’ll all be. Even dumping the exchange bureaucracies and having a “transition period” back to the semblance of the way it was prior to 1/1/14 will be infinitely better than the month-to-month insecurity of marketplace healthplan members and consumers’ major headaches from intractable problems lasting months on end that we have now . . . all caused by the utter incompetence at the “gubment” level. At least carriers will be encouraged to come back into currently “locked” state markets and provide badly needed coverage options, (i.e. not necessarily “ACA complaint” plans) to the uninsured.
April 27, 2016 at 6:05 PM #797020ParticipantOK, I’m going to stick my neck out here and make predictions on the rest of the primaries which have not yet been conducted.
Republican Primaries:
Trump takes: CA, OR, MT, ND, SD, NM, WV and NJ
Tossup (very close): Trump and Kasich for IN
Cruz takes: KY
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Democratic Primaries:
Clinton takes: CA, IN, KY and WV
Sanders takes: OR, MT, ND and SD
Tossup: NM and NJ
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Comments are welcome!
April 27, 2016 at 8:27 PM #797021utcsox
Participant[quote=zk][quote=utcsox]
It is “unusual” to claim Republican strategy is a failure when it has control of both houses of Congress for the first time since 2002. In addition, it achieve its largest majority in the house since 1929. So, let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Republican party are doing “mind-numingly dumb things”, they know exactly what they are doing. And most importantly, they are winning and winning yuuuuuuge.[/quote]
Winning elections does not mean that you know what you’re doing. Unless your only goal is winning elections. Which is exactly the problem with republicans. They’re not interested in running the country, they’re interested in winning elections. And why are they winning elections, even if they can’t govern? Two main reasons, in my opinion: Gerrymandering of districts, and the right-wing noise machine’s brilliant manipulation of the emotions of millions Americans. Americans who are, thanks to that manipulation, far angrier and more fearful than they need to be, but whose concocted fear and anger play right into republicans’ hands.[/quote]
Well, winning elections shall be the most important goals for any political parties in a democratic society. Without it, there is no point of talking governance. I will also not agree that the Republican party has no interest in running the country. It is just that their style of governance will require them to control the president, senate and the house. See all these Southern state that are run by Republicans.
April 28, 2016 at 11:16 AM #797044Guest[quote=utcsox] See all these Southern state that are run by Republicans.[/quote]
Yes.. and they are running their states into the ground. The business establishment is leaving the party and Republicans won’t have anyone left but low-education Whites and some diehard supply siders.
April 28, 2016 at 1:22 PM #797049PCinSD
Guest[quote=FlyerInHi]
Yes.. and they are running their states into the ground. The business establishment is leaving the party and Republicans won’t have anyone left but low-education Whites and some diehard supply siders.[/quote][quote=FlyerInHi]Trump is getting low-education Whites to come out and vote.[/quote]
Repeating your “low-education Whites” mantra in 10 minutes doesn’t make it so. It just shows you are still here to engage in a right vs. left political slapfest.
Also kinda ironic coming from a gun-toting racist.
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