Purchasing Rental Property

[sdrealtor]

Nice contributions guys. Its different for everyone and subject to individual circumstances though some rules do apply across the board like not paying a premium for a huge lot that a tenant wont pay for or properly care for when you are a cash flow investor.

[ctr70]

Thanks everyone for great inputs.

-I have to ask Bearishgurl, have you ever owned a condo? There certainty are some risks with HOA’s, but I personally think many the condo fears are somewhat overblown and imagined. I know many complexs that have never had special assessments in their 30+ year history. And it’s not like you never have a major repair on a SFR over the life of the property. And with condos you don’t have to worry about roofs, exterior painting, exterior repairs or landscaping. I always get a kick about SFR homeowners that complain about the cost of the HOA dues, yet forget they have to pay a $100/mo water bill and $75+/mo home insurance bill that you don’t have owning a condo. Of course with a rental SFR the tenant pays the water bill.

-condos you do not have to worry about the landscaping or exterior painting. The HOA also polices the area and makes sure no one is breaking the rules.

-I would like to see some examples of listed SFR’s or recent solds in 91910 in terms of purchase price, fix costs and rental comps to look at the return on those as rentals. If you are in the market daily, you’ll see that many of the better REO deals need significant work to get rent ready. I would say you would be VERY lucky to find a screamin deal on a SFR in SD that only needed $2k-$8k fix.

-You do not necessarily need an out of area property manager. I have managed a rental house out of state for 7 years w/out a manager. I have 2 handymen on the ground I call when anything breaks, they do paint/carpet when tenants move out and help show the property when vacant. I have never had a missed rent payment and not even 1 full month vacancy in 7 years. I can advertise the house myself on Craigslist, email rental apps to tenant, run credit, get paystubs, all without being there. And this is an OUT of state property. With a property 1.5hrs away in say Riverside County, I would find local handyman, do the same with tenant screening, but I could even drive up at least just when the property turned over and supervise paint/carpet.

-I know Bob Bruss, I took a night a class he taught on real estate law a San Mateo City College and have read dozens of his newsletters. You can NOT do what he did in the Bay Area anymore. He bought in the 1970’s and 1980’s when the numbers somewhat made sense in the Bay Area. Now if you tried to buy any SFR’s in the Bay Area you would have a terrible cash-on-cash return, major negative cash flow and a big “hope” on that the “magical” California appreciation would return to double your value in 5 years. I think if he were still alive today he would be telling people who live in San Francisco and San Jose to drive out to Sacramento to buy rentals.

-You can’t live off appreciation or pay your living expenses off appreciation. You can’t eat with appreciation. You CAN live off positive cash flow and pay living expenses off cash flow. Positive cash flow can make you financially free. So I think a good mix would be maybe to have your primary residence SFR in San Diego as a hedge that we may see future appreciation, but then cash flow rentals in some area where it makes sense. Or cash flow condos in SD. SFR’s in San Diego just seem more like a bet for appreciation and not something that is going to put money in your bank account every month for a very, very long time. And to REALIZE the appreciation and convert to spendable cash, you have to refi or sell. When you sell a rental you lose HALF your equity in Realtor commission, depreciation recapture, capital gains taxes, state taxes, lost rents while the property is vacant being listed on the market, you generally have to fix it up to make it marketable, seller closing costs, etc… And 1031X can be very dicey b/c you have to quickly buy another property at possibly an inflated point in the market. Another reason the SFR as a primary residence vs. rental makes sense in SD b/c if you live in it for 2 out of the last 5 years you can sell with first $500k no cap gains if married. So you get to KEEP a lot of the equity:)

-But who knows, maybe if you looked long enough and went into bad enough neighborhoods you could find some SFR’s where the numbers are OK in SD. I just think this is very tough.

-Also 30% down on a $200k SFR is $60,000. Where 20% down in a $80k SFR is $16k. You do not have to put down near as large a chunk of money in the cheaper inland empire or central valley markets vs. SFR’s in SD. Allowing you to stay more liquid and get a better return on your cash.

[ctr70]

Thanks everyone for great inputs.

-I have to ask Bearishgurl, have you ever owned a condo? There certainty are some risks with HOA’s, but I personally think many the condo fears are somewhat overblown and imagined. I know many complexs that have never had special assessments in their 30+ year history. And it’s not like you never have a major repair on a SFR over the life of the property. And with condos you don’t have to worry about roofs, exterior painting, exterior repairs or landscaping. I always get a kick about SFR homeowners that complain about the cost of the HOA dues, yet forget they have to pay a $100/mo water bill and $75+/mo home insurance bill that you don’t have owning a condo. Of course with a rental SFR the tenant pays the water bill.

-condos you do not have to worry about the landscaping or exterior painting. The HOA also polices the area and makes sure no one is breaking the rules.

-I would like to see some examples of listed SFR’s or recent solds in 91910 in terms of purchase price, fix costs and rental comps to look at the return on those as rentals. If you are in the market daily, you’ll see that many of the better REO deals need significant work to get rent ready. I would say you would be VERY lucky to find a screamin deal on a SFR in SD that only needed $2k-$8k fix.

-You do not necessarily need an out of area property manager. I have managed a rental house out of state for 7 years w/out a manager. I have 2 handymen on the ground I call when anything breaks, they do paint/carpet when tenants move out and help show the property when vacant. I have never had a missed rent payment and not even 1 full month vacancy in 7 years. I can advertise the house myself on Craigslist, email rental apps to tenant, run credit, get paystubs, all without being there. And this is an OUT of state property. With a property 1.5hrs away in say Riverside County, I would find local handyman, do the same with tenant screening, but I could even drive up at least just when the property turned over and supervise paint/carpet.

-I know Bob Bruss, I took a night a class he taught on real estate law a San Mateo City College and have read dozens of his newsletters. You can NOT do what he did in the Bay Area anymore. He bought in the 1970’s and 1980’s when the numbers somewhat made sense in the Bay Area. Now if you tried to buy any SFR’s in the Bay Area you would have a terrible cash-on-cash return, major negative cash flow and a big “hope” on that the “magical” California appreciation would return to double your value in 5 years. I think if he were still alive today he would be telling people who live in San Francisco and San Jose to drive out to Sacramento to buy rentals.

-You can’t live off appreciation or pay your living expenses off appreciation. You can’t eat with appreciation. You CAN live off positive cash flow and pay living expenses off cash flow. Positive cash flow can make you financially free. So I think a good mix would be maybe to have your primary residence SFR in San Diego as a hedge that we may see future appreciation, but then cash flow rentals in some area where it makes sense. Or cash flow condos in SD. SFR’s in San Diego just seem more like a bet for appreciation and not something that is going to put money in your bank account every month for a very, very long time. And to REALIZE the appreciation and convert to spendable cash, you have to refi or sell. When you sell a rental you lose HALF your equity in Realtor commission, depreciation recapture, capital gains taxes, state taxes, lost rents while the property is vacant being listed on the market, you generally have to fix it up to make it marketable, seller closing costs, etc… And 1031X can be very dicey b/c you have to quickly buy another property at possibly an inflated point in the market. Another reason the SFR as a primary residence vs. rental makes sense in SD b/c if you live in it for 2 out of the last 5 years you can sell with first $500k no cap gains if married. So you get to KEEP a lot of the equity:)

-But who knows, maybe if you looked long enough and went into bad enough neighborhoods you could find some SFR’s where the numbers are OK in SD. I just think this is very tough.

-Also 30% down on a $200k SFR is $60,000. Where 20% down in a $80k SFR is $16k. You do not have to put down near as large a chunk of money in the cheaper inland empire or central valley markets vs. SFR’s in SD. Allowing you to stay more liquid and get a better return on your cash.

[ctr70]

Thanks everyone for great inputs.

-I have to ask Bearishgurl, have you ever owned a condo? There certainty are some risks with HOA’s, but I personally think many the condo fears are somewhat overblown and imagined. I know many complexs that have never had special assessments in their 30+ year history. And it’s not like you never have a major repair on a SFR over the life of the property. And with condos you don’t have to worry about roofs, exterior painting, exterior repairs or landscaping. I always get a kick about SFR homeowners that complain about the cost of the HOA dues, yet forget they have to pay a $100/mo water bill and $75+/mo home insurance bill that you don’t have owning a condo. Of course with a rental SFR the tenant pays the water bill.

-condos you do not have to worry about the landscaping or exterior painting. The HOA also polices the area and makes sure no one is breaking the rules.

-I would like to see some examples of listed SFR’s or recent solds in 91910 in terms of purchase price, fix costs and rental comps to look at the return on those as rentals. If you are in the market daily, you’ll see that many of the better REO deals need significant work to get rent ready. I would say you would be VERY lucky to find a screamin deal on a SFR in SD that only needed $2k-$8k fix.

-You do not necessarily need an out of area property manager. I have managed a rental house out of state for 7 years w/out a manager. I have 2 handymen on the ground I call when anything breaks, they do paint/carpet when tenants move out and help show the property when vacant. I have never had a missed rent payment and not even 1 full month vacancy in 7 years. I can advertise the house myself on Craigslist, email rental apps to tenant, run credit, get paystubs, all without being there. And this is an OUT of state property. With a property 1.5hrs away in say Riverside County, I would find local handyman, do the same with tenant screening, but I could even drive up at least just when the property turned over and supervise paint/carpet.

-I know Bob Bruss, I took a night a class he taught on real estate law a San Mateo City College and have read dozens of his newsletters. You can NOT do what he did in the Bay Area anymore. He bought in the 1970’s and 1980’s when the numbers somewhat made sense in the Bay Area. Now if you tried to buy any SFR’s in the Bay Area you would have a terrible cash-on-cash return, major negative cash flow and a big “hope” on that the “magical” California appreciation would return to double your value in 5 years. I think if he were still alive today he would be telling people who live in San Francisco and San Jose to drive out to Sacramento to buy rentals.

-You can’t live off appreciation or pay your living expenses off appreciation. You can’t eat with appreciation. You CAN live off positive cash flow and pay living expenses off cash flow. Positive cash flow can make you financially free. So I think a good mix would be maybe to have your primary residence SFR in San Diego as a hedge that we may see future appreciation, but then cash flow rentals in some area where it makes sense. Or cash flow condos in SD. SFR’s in San Diego just seem more like a bet for appreciation and not something that is going to put money in your bank account every month for a very, very long time. And to REALIZE the appreciation and convert to spendable cash, you have to refi or sell. When you sell a rental you lose HALF your equity in Realtor commission, depreciation recapture, capital gains taxes, state taxes, lost rents while the property is vacant being listed on the market, you generally have to fix it up to make it marketable, seller closing costs, etc… And 1031X can be very dicey b/c you have to quickly buy another property at possibly an inflated point in the market. Another reason the SFR as a primary residence vs. rental makes sense in SD b/c if you live in it for 2 out of the last 5 years you can sell with first $500k no cap gains if married. So you get to KEEP a lot of the equity:)

-But who knows, maybe if you looked long enough and went into bad enough neighborhoods you could find some SFR’s where the numbers are OK in SD. I just think this is very tough.

-Also 30% down on a $200k SFR is $60,000. Where 20% down in a $80k SFR is $16k. You do not have to put down near as large a chunk of money in the cheaper inland empire or central valley markets vs. SFR’s in SD. Allowing you to stay more liquid and get a better return on your cash.

[ctr70]

Thanks everyone for great inputs.

-I have to ask Bearishgurl, have you ever owned a condo? There certainty are some risks with HOA’s, but I personally think many the condo fears are somewhat overblown and imagined. I know many complexs that have never had special assessments in their 30+ year history. And it’s not like you never have a major repair on a SFR over the life of the property. And with condos you don’t have to worry about roofs, exterior painting, exterior repairs or landscaping. I always get a kick about SFR homeowners that complain about the cost of the HOA dues, yet forget they have to pay a $100/mo water bill and $75+/mo home insurance bill that you don’t have owning a condo. Of course with a rental SFR the tenant pays the water bill.

-condos you do not have to worry about the landscaping or exterior painting. The HOA also polices the area and makes sure no one is breaking the rules.

-I would like to see some examples of listed SFR’s or recent solds in 91910 in terms of purchase price, fix costs and rental comps to look at the return on those as rentals. If you are in the market daily, you’ll see that many of the better REO deals need significant work to get rent ready. I would say you would be VERY lucky to find a screamin deal on a SFR in SD that only needed $2k-$8k fix.

-You do not necessarily need an out of area property manager. I have managed a rental house out of state for 7 years w/out a manager. I have 2 handymen on the ground I call when anything breaks, they do paint/carpet when tenants move out and help show the property when vacant. I have never had a missed rent payment and not even 1 full month vacancy in 7 years. I can advertise the house myself on Craigslist, email rental apps to tenant, run credit, get paystubs, all without being there. And this is an OUT of state property. With a property 1.5hrs away in say Riverside County, I would find local handyman, do the same with tenant screening, but I could even drive up at least just when the property turned over and supervise paint/carpet.

-I know Bob Bruss, I took a night a class he taught on real estate law a San Mateo City College and have read dozens of his newsletters. You can NOT do what he did in the Bay Area anymore. He bought in the 1970’s and 1980’s when the numbers somewhat made sense in the Bay Area. Now if you tried to buy any SFR’s in the Bay Area you would have a terrible cash-on-cash return, major negative cash flow and a big “hope” on that the “magical” California appreciation would return to double your value in 5 years. I think if he were still alive today he would be telling people who live in San Francisco and San Jose to drive out to Sacramento to buy rentals.

-You can’t live off appreciation or pay your living expenses off appreciation. You can’t eat with appreciation. You CAN live off positive cash flow and pay living expenses off cash flow. Positive cash flow can make you financially free. So I think a good mix would be maybe to have your primary residence SFR in San Diego as a hedge that we may see future appreciation, but then cash flow rentals in some area where it makes sense. Or cash flow condos in SD. SFR’s in San Diego just seem more like a bet for appreciation and not something that is going to put money in your bank account every month for a very, very long time. And to REALIZE the appreciation and convert to spendable cash, you have to refi or sell. When you sell a rental you lose HALF your equity in Realtor commission, depreciation recapture, capital gains taxes, state taxes, lost rents while the property is vacant being listed on the market, you generally have to fix it up to make it marketable, seller closing costs, etc… And 1031X can be very dicey b/c you have to quickly buy another property at possibly an inflated point in the market. Another reason the SFR as a primary residence vs. rental makes sense in SD b/c if you live in it for 2 out of the last 5 years you can sell with first $500k no cap gains if married. So you get to KEEP a lot of the equity:)

-But who knows, maybe if you looked long enough and went into bad enough neighborhoods you could find some SFR’s where the numbers are OK in SD. I just think this is very tough.

-Also 30% down on a $200k SFR is $60,000. Where 20% down in a $80k SFR is $16k. You do not have to put down near as large a chunk of money in the cheaper inland empire or central valley markets vs. SFR’s in SD. Allowing you to stay more liquid and get a better return on your cash.

[ctr70]

Thanks everyone for great inputs.

-I have to ask Bearishgurl, have you ever owned a condo? There certainty are some risks with HOA’s, but I personally think many the condo fears are somewhat overblown and imagined. I know many complexs that have never had special assessments in their 30+ year history. And it’s not like you never have a major repair on a SFR over the life of the property. And with condos you don’t have to worry about roofs, exterior painting, exterior repairs or landscaping. I always get a kick about SFR homeowners that complain about the cost of the HOA dues, yet forget they have to pay a $100/mo water bill and $75+/mo home insurance bill that you don’t have owning a condo. Of course with a rental SFR the tenant pays the water bill.

-condos you do not have to worry about the landscaping or exterior painting. The HOA also polices the area and makes sure no one is breaking the rules.

-I would like to see some examples of listed SFR’s or recent solds in 91910 in terms of purchase price, fix costs and rental comps to look at the return on those as rentals. If you are in the market daily, you’ll see that many of the better REO deals need significant work to get rent ready. I would say you would be VERY lucky to find a screamin deal on a SFR in SD that only needed $2k-$8k fix.

-You do not necessarily need an out of area property manager. I have managed a rental house out of state for 7 years w/out a manager. I have 2 handymen on the ground I call when anything breaks, they do paint/carpet when tenants move out and help show the property when vacant. I have never had a missed rent payment and not even 1 full month vacancy in 7 years. I can advertise the house myself on Craigslist, email rental apps to tenant, run credit, get paystubs, all without being there. And this is an OUT of state property. With a property 1.5hrs away in say Riverside County, I would find local handyman, do the same with tenant screening, but I could even drive up at least just when the property turned over and supervise paint/carpet.

-I know Bob Bruss, I took a night a class he taught on real estate law a San Mateo City College and have read dozens of his newsletters. You can NOT do what he did in the Bay Area anymore. He bought in the 1970’s and 1980’s when the numbers somewhat made sense in the Bay Area. Now if you tried to buy any SFR’s in the Bay Area you would have a terrible cash-on-cash return, major negative cash flow and a big “hope” on that the “magical” California appreciation would return to double your value in 5 years. I think if he were still alive today he would be telling people who live in San Francisco and San Jose to drive out to Sacramento to buy rentals.

-You can’t live off appreciation or pay your living expenses off appreciation. You can’t eat with appreciation. You CAN live off positive cash flow and pay living expenses off cash flow. Positive cash flow can make you financially free. So I think a good mix would be maybe to have your primary residence SFR in San Diego as a hedge that we may see future appreciation, but then cash flow rentals in some area where it makes sense. Or cash flow condos in SD. SFR’s in San Diego just seem more like a bet for appreciation and not something that is going to put money in your bank account every month for a very, very long time. And to REALIZE the appreciation and convert to spendable cash, you have to refi or sell. When you sell a rental you lose HALF your equity in Realtor commission, depreciation recapture, capital gains taxes, state taxes, lost rents while the property is vacant being listed on the market, you generally have to fix it up to make it marketable, seller closing costs, etc… And 1031X can be very dicey b/c you have to quickly buy another property at possibly an inflated point in the market. Another reason the SFR as a primary residence vs. rental makes sense in SD b/c if you live in it for 2 out of the last 5 years you can sell with first $500k no cap gains if married. So you get to KEEP a lot of the equity:)

-But who knows, maybe if you looked long enough and went into bad enough neighborhoods you could find some SFR’s where the numbers are OK in SD. I just think this is very tough.

-Also 30% down on a $200k SFR is $60,000. Where 20% down in a $80k SFR is $16k. You do not have to put down near as large a chunk of money in the cheaper inland empire or central valley markets vs. SFR’s in SD. Allowing you to stay more liquid and get a better return on your cash.

[sdrealtor]

Nice thorough post ctr. I’m right with you. Nice to hear more voices with actual recent as opposed to imagined or ancient experience.

[sdrealtor]

Nice thorough post ctr. I’m right with you. Nice to hear more voices with actual recent as opposed to imagined or ancient experience.

[sdrealtor]

Nice thorough post ctr. I’m right with you. Nice to hear more voices with actual recent as opposed to imagined or ancient experience.

[sdrealtor]

Nice thorough post ctr. I’m right with you. Nice to hear more voices with actual recent as opposed to imagined or ancient experience.

[sdrealtor]

Nice thorough post ctr. I’m right with you. Nice to hear more voices with actual recent as opposed to imagined or ancient experience.

[Ricechex]

Will have an SFR for sale late March, $160-$170K. 92115–City Heights. It has been a rental property for 10 years, and is presently tenant occupied. PM if you are interested.

[Ricechex]

Will have an SFR for sale late March, $160-$170K. 92115–City Heights. It has been a rental property for 10 years, and is presently tenant occupied. PM if you are interested.

[Ricechex]

Will have an SFR for sale late March, $160-$170K. 92115–City Heights. It has been a rental property for 10 years, and is presently tenant occupied. PM if you are interested.

[Ricechex]

Will have an SFR for sale late March, $160-$170K. 92115–City Heights. It has been a rental property for 10 years, and is presently tenant occupied. PM if you are interested.

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