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July 22, 2012 at 7:58 PM #748747July 22, 2012 at 10:04 PM #748755
sdrealtor
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That fire station is in Fairbanks far outside the view of the covenant and it’s keepers. Nothing in the area looks anything like it. There are fruit stands around the corner operating like my daughters occasional forray into lemonade sales.I’m not calling out union corruption on this. I have no idea whether there was any or if union labor was even involved. This is an obscene waste of public monies. It’s not just the tax dollars either. The developer fees could have been used for a lot of things other than ornate stone work that adds nothing other than making the building stand out as a monument to excess.
July 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM #748759bearishgurl
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]CE
That fire station is in Fairbanks far outside the view of the covenant and it’s keepers. Nothing in the area looks anything like it. There are fruit stands around the corner operating like my daughters occasional forray into lemonade sales.I’m not calling out union corruption on this. I have no idea whether there was any or if union labor was even involved. This is an obscene waste of public monies. It’s not just the tax dollars either. The developer fees could have been used for a lot of things other than ornate stone work that adds nothing other than making the building stand out as a monument to excess.[/quote]
Uhh, Fairbanks shares the same CC&R’s as RSF. Any Piggs correct me here if I am in error.
A “fruit stand” is not a permanent building. Did you ever consider that the “fruit stand operators” might have a county-issued permit to sell their produce?
sdr, why don’t you step outside your brokerage in the morning and wake up one of those shopping-cart-toting individuals under your eaves and pay him/her a small pittance to clean your windows. Maybe then the passers-by will be able to see the RE listing ads better that you placed on them and you’ll eventually get enough “walk-in biz” to keep you occupied so as not to be as “bothered” by the “crown jewel” of RSF.
Wha-a-a-at? You’re saying you don’t get up that early?? Well then, why don’t you give “Ms Caymus” a rain-check tonight (if you are still able to) so you can stumble down the stairs a couple of hours earlier!!
July 22, 2012 at 11:35 PM #748760an
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Uhh, Fairbanks shares the same CC&R’s as RSF. Any Piggs correct me here if I am in error.[/quote]
Here’s the map from their website: http://www.rsfassociation.org/pages/map.html.More info about RSF, Fairbanks, Covenant, etc: http://piggington.com/rsf_kicking_out_fairbanks_ranch_cielo_crosby_bridges_whispering_
July 23, 2012 at 2:17 AM #748761CA renter
Participanthttp://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/03/07/cutting-out-caltrans/
“According to the Department of Finance, it costs twice as much to outsource engineering work at Caltrans. Specifically, in the most recent budget, the Department of Finance concludes that a state engineer (including salary, benefits, overhead and equipment) costs the taxpayer $113,000 a year while an outsourced private engineer costs an average of $226,000 annually,” said Hanson. “Local agencies outsource almost all of their engineering services through no-bid contracts.”
July 23, 2012 at 2:33 AM #748762Participant[quote=sdrealtor]CE
That fire station is in Fairbanks far outside the view of the covenant and it’s keepers. Nothing in the area looks anything like it. There are fruit stands around the corner operating like my daughters occasional forray into lemonade sales.I’m not calling out union corruption on this. I have no idea whether there was any or if union labor was even involved. This is an obscene waste of public monies. It’s not just the tax dollars either. The developer fees could have been used for a lot of things other than ornate stone work that adds nothing other than making the building stand out as a monument to excess.[/quote]
Take a look at Google maps, then tell us that it “doesn’t fit the neighborhood.” What you see directly on the street doesn’t necessarily tell the whole picture. Much of the development in that area came about well after the original fire station and Helen Woodward facility were built. The HOAs regularly update their design specifications.
You do realize that Fairbanks Ranch and the other HOAs in the area also have strict design restrictions, right?
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“The building was designed to fit in with the surrounding community, said Michel, and includes cut stone on its outer façade, along with ornamentation that appears to be made of painted wood but is in fact lightweight foam.
While he has heard some comments about the size of the building, Michel said the new station was designed as a two-story structure so that fire trucks and ambulances can exit and enter safely and efficiently.”
http://www.ranchosantafereview.com/2011/11/01/new-rancho-santa-fe-fire-station-nearing-completion/
———————–More info about the station, why it was built, etc.:
Overview of lot and site plan:
http://www.shapouri.com/newsite/el_apajo_fire_station.htm
El Apajo Specific Plan
SPA 08-005http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/dplu/regulatory/docs/090618/GPA08-008-EA-SPA.pdf
Fairbanks Ranch Fire Station
General Plan Amendment Reporthttp://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/dplu/regulatory/docs/090618/GPA08-008-GPAR.pdf
Fairbanks Ranch Fire Station
General Plan Amendment Reporthttp://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/dplu/regulatory/docs/090618/GPA08-008-GPAR.pdf
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Fairbanks Ranch
Specifi c Planhttp://www.sandiego.gov/planning/community/profiles/fairbanksranchcountryclub/pdf/fairbanksweb.pdf
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Again, like I’ve mentioned in the other thread, I don’t favor high-end public buildings at all, and feel that there is a political component whenever things are over-the-top. Just saying that it has nothing to do with the “boots on the ground” public sector workers who are always being blamed for things they were never involved with, including pension allocations, the decision to take “pension holidays,” coming up with assumed rates of returns and contribution amounts, etc. Why is it that these employees are being vilified, while the ones who are responsible for the problems — who come from both the public and PRIVATE sectors — seem to slip under the radar? Could it be that those who are responsible for the problems — and who are more powerful — want it that way?
July 23, 2012 at 4:04 AM #748767Anonymous
GuestIf you want to see a huge monument to government waste, inefficiency, and political back-scratching, take a look at Boston City Hall: A hideously ugly building that is even worse on the inside than it is on the outside. Furthermore, it’s surrounded by acres of brick paving, set right in the middle of what used to be the West End.
If you’ve ever been inside the building, you quickly realized that nothing makes sense. Finding your way around requires a map, guide dog, GPS, a box of bread crumbs and a crystal ball.
Instead of hiring an architect to design something functional and useful that would use less than half the space, they built this “Ultra-modern” monstrosity the sight of which would make Frank Lloyd Wright roll over in his grave.Ugly, Inefficient, wasteful and expensive: that adequately describes the Left-wing city government of Boston, MA.
Coming to a town near YOU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_City_Hall
An example of the “Brutalist” style! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! As in “Imagine a boot stomping on a human face, forever.”
July 23, 2012 at 4:53 AM #748768ParticipantMore about the myths regarding privatization that is supposed to save taxpayers’ money:
This one, about prisons:
“Proponents of privately run prisons contend that cost-savings and efficiency of operation place private prisons at an advantage over public prisons and support the argument for privatization, but some research casts doubt on the validity of these arguments, as evidence has shown that private prisons are neither demonstrably more cost-effective, nor more efficient than public prisons.[7] An evaluation of 24 different studies on cost-effectiveness revealed that, at best, results of the question are inconclusive and, at worst, there is no difference in cost-effectiveness.[21]
A study by the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics found that the cost-savings promised by private prisons “have simply not materialized.”[22] Some research has concluded that for-profit prisons cost more than public prisons.[23] Furthermore, cost estimates from privatization advocates may be misleading, because private facilities often refuse to accept inmates that cost the most to house. A 2001 study concluded that a pattern of sending less expensive inmates to privately-run facilities artificially inflated cost savings.[24] A 2005 study found that Arizona’s public facilities were seven times more likely to house violent offenders and three times more likely to house those convicted of more serious offenses.[25]
Evidence suggests that lower staff levels and training at private facilities may lead to increases in incidences of violence and escapes. A nationwide study found that assaults on guards by inmates were 49 percent more frequent in private prisons than in government-run prisons. The same study revealed that assaults on fellow inmates were 65 percent more frequent in private prisons.[26]
CCA and The GEO Group have been major contributors to the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a Washington, D.C. based public policy organization that develops model legislation that advances free-market principles such as privatization. Under their Criminal Justice Task Force, ALEC has developed model bills which State legislators can then consult when proposing “tough on crime” initiatives including “Truth in Sentencing” and “Three Strikes” laws. By funding and participating in ALEC’s Criminal Justice Task Forces, critics argue, private prison companies directly influence legislation for tougher, longer sentences.[27]
CCA and GEO have both engaged in state initiatives to increase sentences for offenders and to create new crimes, including, CCA helping to finance Proposition 6 in California in 2008 and GEO lobbying for Jessica’s Law[28] in Kansas in 2006. The legal system may also be manipulated more directly: in the Kids for cash scandal, Mid-Atlantic Youth Services Corp, a private prison company was found guilty of paying two judges[29] $2.6m to send 2000 children to their prisons.[30][31]
Legislation passed with links to private prisons, reported in the media: [32] [33] [34] [35]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison
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ALEC is one of the heavy-hitters behind the attacks on unions. They work on behalf of companies who want to take over government services; they are NOT taxpayer advocates.
July 23, 2012 at 8:19 AM #748772ParticipantJust to be clear the only one mentioning public sector employees and pensions on this thread was CAR. The boots on the ground were not vilified here so stop being so defensive. It’s a horribly corrupt and inefficient public sector. All the issues are systemic. I have never seen enraged citizens protesting outside fire stations or hurling tomatoes at firemen. I don’t see individuals getting vilified. It’s the system that gets vilified and the boots on the ground whining why are you picking on me when we question the system.
July 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM #748784Participant[quote=sdrealtor]Just to be clear the only one mentioning public sector employees and pensions on this thread was CAR. The boots on the ground were not vilified here so stop being so defensive. It’s a horribly corrupt and inefficient public sector. All the issues are systemic. I have never seen enraged citizens protesting outside fire stations or hurling tomatoes at firemen. I don’t see individuals getting vilified. It’s the system that gets vilified and the boots on the ground whining why are you picking on me when we question the system.[/quote]
Isn’t it this very “system” that you alone are vilifying here which (presumably) draws buyers like moths to a flame to Gridlocked Nirvana (east of I-5) and surrounds simply because they want *newer* construction with restrictive CC&R’s?? Don’t you make your living selling properties in this area … some to well-qualified “public sector” employees?
These same buyers could very likely get a better-built (poss custom) “luxury” LARGER HOME with better appts (ex. floor to ceiling rock FP) with WIDE RV access on a MUCH LARGER lot for the same or LESS money in 91902, 92019, 92028, 92084, 92001, etc. Instead they are flocking to CC&R/MR encumbered properties in and adjacent to your stomping grounds, many with small lots. Isn’t it these very CC&R’s that your clients are paying for because they supposedly “desire” them??
Your memory seems to be failing you. You’re biting the hand that feeds you.
Twice here, I’ve offered you, NSR and “harvey” your chance to work on changing “the system” many weeks ago by rewriting legislation for your representatives and even offered to proofread your work. So far, no one has taken me up on that offer.
It seems that now you must accept the things for which you cannot change. The Covenant is entitled to set their own design standards, change them on a majority vote of the Board and enforce their *latest* standards (even unrecorded) upon the property owners within it as long as they adhere to the notice requirements of the *new* guidelines and the enforcement of such passes the “reasonableness” test.
The justices have spoken.
When you pick up your kid from critter camp today, why don’t you take some more pics of the new RSF fire stn so the Piggs can enjoy viewing it from different angles? :=]
July 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM #748789Participant[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]Uhh, Fairbanks shares the same CC&R’s as RSF. Any Piggs correct me here if I am in error.[/quote]
Here’s the map from their website: http://www.rsfassociation.org/pages/map.html.More info about RSF, Fairbanks, Covenant, etc: http://piggington.com/rsf_kicking_out_fairbanks_ranch_cielo_crosby_bridges_whispering_
[/quote]My question is DID IT REALLY HAPPEN?
Did RSF actually “kick out” FR from the “Covenant,” and if so, did it amend its CC&R’s to reflect this and did FR adopt its own CC&R’s? Or was each subdivision’s CC&R’s in place at the time of their respective build-outs with the RSF Assn (Covenant) acting as the Master Assn?
Just because a few Piggs were “discussing” this on a blog 4.5 years ago does not make it so.
The Assn’s legal expenses in the Dolan-King trial in the lower court alone were $318,293.50. They obtained an atty fee award judgment, both in trial and on appeal, but we don’t know if they have yet been paid any of it.
Why would the Covenant purposely reduce their amount of members when they had legal expenses of this magnitude? This is NOT the only court case they’ve litigated, just the longest-running one.
AN, the map you posted appears to be inconclusive as to the answer to this question.
July 23, 2012 at 11:11 AM #748791Participant[quote=Brutus] . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_City_Hall
An example of the “Brutalist” style! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! As in “Imagine a boot stomping on a human face, forever.”[/quote]
That kind of looks like it was transplanted to the US from Russia :=0
July 23, 2012 at 3:29 PM #748807ParticipantAccording to this link: http://www.rsfteam.com/about-rsf.asp & http://www.rsfteam.com/about-rsf.asp?id=2, it doesn’t seem like FBR was ever part of the covenant. More RSF map: http://www.ranchosantafenow.com/rancho-santa-fe-map.php
July 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM #748810no_such_reality
ParticipantLol rewritibg would waste our times and yours. As previous told to you the solution is changing the perception of govrrnment. Any legislation would be desd on arrival in the cali assembly. It is the group that voted to block cities from declaring Bk unless they did arbitration. They are the same group who in response recent election are looking to ways to squash the peoplesnwill.
The solution is to first wake the peoplenul so they quit electing people like those in bell and cudahy. (Ibgive up trying to edit typos on the kindle)
[Quote=bearishgurl][quote=sdrealtor]Just to be clear the only one mentioning public sector employees and pensions on this thread was CAR. The boots on the ground were not vilified here so stop being so defensive. It’s a horribly corrupt and inefficient public sector. All the issues are systemic. I have never seen enraged citizens protesting outside fire stations or hurling tomatoes at firemen. I don’t see individuals getting vilified. It’s the system that gets vilified and the boots on the ground whining why are you picking on me when we question the system.[/quote]
Isn’t it this very “system” that you alone are vilifying here which (presumably) draws buyers like moths to a flame to Gridlocked Nirvana (east of I-5) and surrounds simply because they want *newer* construction with restrictive CC&R’s?? Don’t you make your living selling properties in this area … some to well-qualified “public sector” employees?
These same buyers could very likely get a better-built (poss custom) “luxury” LARGER HOME with better appts (ex. floor to ceiling rock FP) with WIDE RV access on a MUCH LARGER lot for the same or LESS money in 91902, 92019, 92028, 92084, 92001, etc. Instead they are flocking to CC&R/MR encumbered properties in and adjacent to your stomping grounds, many with small lots. Isn’t it these very CC&R’s that your clients are paying for because they supposedly “desire” them??
Your memory seems to be failing you. You’re biting the hand that feeds you.
Twice here, I’ve offered you, NSR and “harvey” your chance to work on changing “the system” many weeks ago by rewriting legislation for your representatives and even offered to proofread your work. So far, no one has taken me up on that offer.
It seems that now you must accept the things for which you cannot change. The Covenant is entitled to set their own design standards, change them on a majority vote of the Board and enforce their *latest* standards (even unrecorded) upon the property owners within it as long as they adhere to the notice requirements of the *new* guidelines and the enforcement of such passes the “reasonableness” test.
The justices have spoken.
When you pick up your kid from critter camp today, why don’t you take some more pics of the new RSF fire stn so the Piggs can enjoy viewing it from different angles? :=][/quote]
July 23, 2012 at 10:49 PM #748818Participant[quote=sdrealtor]Just to be clear the only one mentioning public sector employees and pensions on this thread was CAR. The boots on the ground were not vilified here so stop being so defensive. It’s a horribly corrupt and inefficient public sector. All the issues are systemic. I have never seen enraged citizens protesting outside fire stations or hurling tomatoes at firemen. I don’t see individuals getting vilified. It’s the system that gets vilified and the boots on the ground whining why are you picking on me when we question the system.[/quote]
This thread is just a continuation of your whining from this thread:
http://piggington.com/otcontest_to_guess_the_occupant_of_beautiful_new_building_in_rsf
You are one of the worst when it comes to attacking public sector workers. Again, your regrets and/or poor career decisions are your problem; you have nobody to blame but yourself.
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