Proposition 23

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[quote=no_such_reality]Are you saying we’ll pull the plug on Green subsidies and they’ll be self funding? I doubt it. Subsidy per megawatt for coal is about 50 cents. Today for wind or solar is $20+…[/quote]

No, I’m not saying that at all. What I’m saying is that all energy sectors receive subsidies and have been receiving them for decades. What I’d like to see is an even playing field before we decide which subsidies are worth it and which aren’t. But I’m not deluded enough to think that that will ever happen.

[no_such_reality]

Then back to the AB32 debate because we’re in agreement that a funding of research and subsidies to the renewable sector is in our Nation’s strategic best interest.

AB32, however is about forcing the transition to the technology now. Primarily through penalizing the lower cost solutions.

Are you reducing your electricity consumption by 40%? That’s one of the assumptions of AB32, that the goals can be met by consumers reducing their demand through purchasing higher efficiency items.

Here is California’s energy consumption:
[img_assist|nid=14080|title=California Energy Sources|desc=California Energy Sources|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=200]

And the detail breakdown on renewables for Electricity:

Fuel Type>	In-State Generation (GWh)	Percent of California In-State Power	Northwest Imports	Southwest Imports	Total System Power
Coal	3,735	1.8%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Large Hydro	25,094	12.2%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Natural Gas	116,716	56.7%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Nuclear	31,509	15.3%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Oil	67	0.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Other	7	0.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Renewables subtotal	28,567	13.9%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Biomass	5,685	2.8%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Geothermal	12,907	6.3%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Small Hydro	4,181	2.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Solar	846	0.4%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Wind	4,949	2.4%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Total	205,695	100.0%	19,929	71,201	296,827

Looking at renewables, you can see the near term challenges of growing it to a substantial supply. BTW, 2020 for primary grid is very very near term.

[no_such_reality]

Then back to the AB32 debate because we’re in agreement that a funding of research and subsidies to the renewable sector is in our Nation’s strategic best interest.

AB32, however is about forcing the transition to the technology now. Primarily through penalizing the lower cost solutions.

Are you reducing your electricity consumption by 40%? That’s one of the assumptions of AB32, that the goals can be met by consumers reducing their demand through purchasing higher efficiency items.

Here is California’s energy consumption:
[img_assist|nid=14080|title=California Energy Sources|desc=California Energy Sources|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=200]

And the detail breakdown on renewables for Electricity:

Fuel Type>	In-State Generation (GWh)	Percent of California In-State Power	Northwest Imports	Southwest Imports	Total System Power
Coal	3,735	1.8%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Large Hydro	25,094	12.2%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Natural Gas	116,716	56.7%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Nuclear	31,509	15.3%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Oil	67	0.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Other	7	0.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Renewables subtotal	28,567	13.9%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Biomass	5,685	2.8%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Geothermal	12,907	6.3%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Small Hydro	4,181	2.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Solar	846	0.4%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Wind	4,949	2.4%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Total	205,695	100.0%	19,929	71,201	296,827

Looking at renewables, you can see the near term challenges of growing it to a substantial supply. BTW, 2020 for primary grid is very very near term.

[no_such_reality]

Then back to the AB32 debate because we’re in agreement that a funding of research and subsidies to the renewable sector is in our Nation’s strategic best interest.

AB32, however is about forcing the transition to the technology now. Primarily through penalizing the lower cost solutions.

Are you reducing your electricity consumption by 40%? That’s one of the assumptions of AB32, that the goals can be met by consumers reducing their demand through purchasing higher efficiency items.

Here is California’s energy consumption:
[img_assist|nid=14080|title=California Energy Sources|desc=California Energy Sources|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=200]

And the detail breakdown on renewables for Electricity:

Fuel Type>	In-State Generation (GWh)	Percent of California In-State Power	Northwest Imports	Southwest Imports	Total System Power
Coal	3,735	1.8%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Large Hydro	25,094	12.2%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Natural Gas	116,716	56.7%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Nuclear	31,509	15.3%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Oil	67	0.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Other	7	0.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Renewables subtotal	28,567	13.9%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Biomass	5,685	2.8%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Geothermal	12,907	6.3%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Small Hydro	4,181	2.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Solar	846	0.4%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Wind	4,949	2.4%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Total	205,695	100.0%	19,929	71,201	296,827

Looking at renewables, you can see the near term challenges of growing it to a substantial supply. BTW, 2020 for primary grid is very very near term.

[no_such_reality]

Then back to the AB32 debate because we’re in agreement that a funding of research and subsidies to the renewable sector is in our Nation’s strategic best interest.

AB32, however is about forcing the transition to the technology now. Primarily through penalizing the lower cost solutions.

Are you reducing your electricity consumption by 40%? That’s one of the assumptions of AB32, that the goals can be met by consumers reducing their demand through purchasing higher efficiency items.

Here is California’s energy consumption:
[img_assist|nid=14080|title=California Energy Sources|desc=California Energy Sources|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=200]

And the detail breakdown on renewables for Electricity:

Fuel Type>	In-State Generation (GWh)	Percent of California In-State Power	Northwest Imports	Southwest Imports	Total System Power
Coal	3,735	1.8%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Large Hydro	25,094	12.2%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Natural Gas	116,716	56.7%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Nuclear	31,509	15.3%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Oil	67	0.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Other	7	0.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Renewables subtotal	28,567	13.9%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Biomass	5,685	2.8%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Geothermal	12,907	6.3%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Small Hydro	4,181	2.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Solar	846	0.4%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Wind	4,949	2.4%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Total	205,695	100.0%	19,929	71,201	296,827

Looking at renewables, you can see the near term challenges of growing it to a substantial supply. BTW, 2020 for primary grid is very very near term.

[no_such_reality]

Then back to the AB32 debate because we’re in agreement that a funding of research and subsidies to the renewable sector is in our Nation’s strategic best interest.

AB32, however is about forcing the transition to the technology now. Primarily through penalizing the lower cost solutions.

Are you reducing your electricity consumption by 40%? That’s one of the assumptions of AB32, that the goals can be met by consumers reducing their demand through purchasing higher efficiency items.

Here is California’s energy consumption:
[img_assist|nid=14080|title=California Energy Sources|desc=California Energy Sources|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=200]

And the detail breakdown on renewables for Electricity:

Fuel Type>	In-State Generation (GWh)	Percent of California In-State Power	Northwest Imports	Southwest Imports	Total System Power
Coal	3,735	1.8%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Large Hydro	25,094	12.2%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Natural Gas	116,716	56.7%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Nuclear	31,509	15.3%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Oil	67	0.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Other	7	0.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Renewables subtotal	28,567	13.9%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Biomass	5,685	2.8%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Geothermal	12,907	6.3%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Small Hydro	4,181	2.0%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Solar	846	0.4%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Wind	4,949	2.4%	N/A	N/A	N/A
Total	205,695	100.0%	19,929	71,201	296,827

Looking at renewables, you can see the near term challenges of growing it to a substantial supply. BTW, 2020 for primary grid is very very near term.

[ucodegen]

[quote no_such_reality]For example, why are super efficient small diesels the norm in Europe? The answer is simple, the fuel expense due to taxes is much higher than here and hence the added cost of the diesel technology ‘pencils’. [/quote]
Actually, not so simple as this. Two primary causes:
1) Power – remember those old Volkswagen Diesel Rabbits? I drove one once. A good way to become a flyspeck on the front of a semi when trying to merge into traffic. Newer turbo-diesels are better.
2) California actually bans them for emissions reasons. The only two diesel cars that have managed to pass CA’s diesel emission regs for cars (which are tougher than truck regs). These are the Volkswagen TDI and a Mercedes. You can get some of the other diesel passenger vehicles in other states (and then import them to CA after 1 year – skirting the ban on sales of the new vehicles in CA.).
3) Cost. Vehicles with diesel engines are priced higher than gasoline. Significantly higher.

I surprised a co-worker when I mentioned that Jeep makes a diesel Wrangler..
http://dieseldig.com/2010/03/17/not-for-us-2010-jeep-wrangler-diesel/

[ucodegen]

[quote no_such_reality]For example, why are super efficient small diesels the norm in Europe? The answer is simple, the fuel expense due to taxes is much higher than here and hence the added cost of the diesel technology ‘pencils’. [/quote]
Actually, not so simple as this. Two primary causes:
1) Power – remember those old Volkswagen Diesel Rabbits? I drove one once. A good way to become a flyspeck on the front of a semi when trying to merge into traffic. Newer turbo-diesels are better.
2) California actually bans them for emissions reasons. The only two diesel cars that have managed to pass CA’s diesel emission regs for cars (which are tougher than truck regs). These are the Volkswagen TDI and a Mercedes. You can get some of the other diesel passenger vehicles in other states (and then import them to CA after 1 year – skirting the ban on sales of the new vehicles in CA.).
3) Cost. Vehicles with diesel engines are priced higher than gasoline. Significantly higher.

I surprised a co-worker when I mentioned that Jeep makes a diesel Wrangler..
http://dieseldig.com/2010/03/17/not-for-us-2010-jeep-wrangler-diesel/

[ucodegen]

[quote no_such_reality]For example, why are super efficient small diesels the norm in Europe? The answer is simple, the fuel expense due to taxes is much higher than here and hence the added cost of the diesel technology ‘pencils’. [/quote]
Actually, not so simple as this. Two primary causes:
1) Power – remember those old Volkswagen Diesel Rabbits? I drove one once. A good way to become a flyspeck on the front of a semi when trying to merge into traffic. Newer turbo-diesels are better.
2) California actually bans them for emissions reasons. The only two diesel cars that have managed to pass CA’s diesel emission regs for cars (which are tougher than truck regs). These are the Volkswagen TDI and a Mercedes. You can get some of the other diesel passenger vehicles in other states (and then import them to CA after 1 year – skirting the ban on sales of the new vehicles in CA.).
3) Cost. Vehicles with diesel engines are priced higher than gasoline. Significantly higher.

I surprised a co-worker when I mentioned that Jeep makes a diesel Wrangler..
http://dieseldig.com/2010/03/17/not-for-us-2010-jeep-wrangler-diesel/

[ucodegen]

[quote no_such_reality]For example, why are super efficient small diesels the norm in Europe? The answer is simple, the fuel expense due to taxes is much higher than here and hence the added cost of the diesel technology ‘pencils’. [/quote]
Actually, not so simple as this. Two primary causes:
1) Power – remember those old Volkswagen Diesel Rabbits? I drove one once. A good way to become a flyspeck on the front of a semi when trying to merge into traffic. Newer turbo-diesels are better.
2) California actually bans them for emissions reasons. The only two diesel cars that have managed to pass CA’s diesel emission regs for cars (which are tougher than truck regs). These are the Volkswagen TDI and a Mercedes. You can get some of the other diesel passenger vehicles in other states (and then import them to CA after 1 year – skirting the ban on sales of the new vehicles in CA.).
3) Cost. Vehicles with diesel engines are priced higher than gasoline. Significantly higher.

I surprised a co-worker when I mentioned that Jeep makes a diesel Wrangler..
http://dieseldig.com/2010/03/17/not-for-us-2010-jeep-wrangler-diesel/

[ucodegen]

[quote no_such_reality]For example, why are super efficient small diesels the norm in Europe? The answer is simple, the fuel expense due to taxes is much higher than here and hence the added cost of the diesel technology ‘pencils’. [/quote]
Actually, not so simple as this. Two primary causes:
1) Power – remember those old Volkswagen Diesel Rabbits? I drove one once. A good way to become a flyspeck on the front of a semi when trying to merge into traffic. Newer turbo-diesels are better.
2) California actually bans them for emissions reasons. The only two diesel cars that have managed to pass CA’s diesel emission regs for cars (which are tougher than truck regs). These are the Volkswagen TDI and a Mercedes. You can get some of the other diesel passenger vehicles in other states (and then import them to CA after 1 year – skirting the ban on sales of the new vehicles in CA.).
3) Cost. Vehicles with diesel engines are priced higher than gasoline. Significantly higher.

I surprised a co-worker when I mentioned that Jeep makes a diesel Wrangler..
http://dieseldig.com/2010/03/17/not-for-us-2010-jeep-wrangler-diesel/

[jstoesz]

Put me on the list of people who would buy a compact diesel truck or suv…I would even consider buying a new one. (I have never purchased a new car)

[jstoesz]

Put me on the list of people who would buy a compact diesel truck or suv…I would even consider buying a new one. (I have never purchased a new car)

[jstoesz]

Put me on the list of people who would buy a compact diesel truck or suv…I would even consider buying a new one. (I have never purchased a new car)

[jstoesz]

Put me on the list of people who would buy a compact diesel truck or suv…I would even consider buying a new one. (I have never purchased a new car)

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