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November 23, 2007 at 9:04 PM #103293November 23, 2007 at 11:51 PM #103164Sandi EganParticipant
esmith,
Your previous post made me think, and after posting my answer, I spent a couple of days researching the subject. Someone on this thread accused me of being a white rich straight male, (which I have to admit I am), and as such am looking at the issues differently. I accept that my views on some social issues might be biased by my personal situation, and I might not give some issues the importance I would, if my life and well-being depended on them.
Perhaps, I am no good at describing his positions on all issues. This video might shed light on some of them.
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html#nashua_telegraph
I tried to investigate the Dr. Paul’s stance on social security, medicare, and other related issues, which I admittedly didn’t pay enough attention to. Here’s what I found out:
As you can see in the video, there are two critical positions, that define Dr. Paul’s stance: non-interventionalist foreign policy and protection of personal liberty. Everything else is kind of following from these two. He is not going to disband SSA and Medicare when he gets to the White House. He will try resolve the financial issues that the US is facing, mainly by cutting the foreign military involvement, and then slowly steer the country to a less-bureaucratic route. He promises that everybody who needs help will receive it. That approach will allow to actually fund social programs by better distributing the funding, instead of just raising taxes.
Ron Paul of course has personal position regarding all topics, which may or may not correlate with mine or yours. His approach, however, is that it is not the place of executive branch of the government to force their beliefs on people. Regardless of his personal beliefs, the president should not aspire to replace the law with his own vision. The laws are the Constitution and the will of people expressed through their representatives in Congress. The executive branch is charged with optimal implementation of the laws.
I don’t agree with Ron Paul on some issues. Personally I would benefit from increased funding for science. It hurts my feelings, that he is opposes participating in Darfur crysis resolution and is against branding massacre of Armenians by Turkey in 1915 a genocide. But I understand that his position is not dictated by populist reasons. He claims that the US should not meddle in internal affairs of other nations, which I support, and I fully understand that his principles will not allow him to make exceptions and apply double standards.
I disagree with you that Dr. Paul is trying to sidestep hard questions by saying the States will deal with them. On the contrary, he openly describes how he feels about them, and by doing so repels some of his potential supporters. But the point is, he does not think he as a president will have a right to push his opinion on the country. For example, as an obstetrician he feels very strongly about abortions. He said many times, that in his personal view any abortion is a murder. But he will be opposed to a federal abortion ban, simply because it is not the place of federal government to dictate that. Like with other questionable issues, States decide what constitutes a crime and what should be the punishment. For this reason anti-abortion groups, that fight for a constitutional amendment to ban abortions wouldn’t endorse Ron Paul.
And that brings us to the main and overwhelmingly crucial argument, that defines Ron Paul for me. It looks like an obvious move for a candidate: proclame support for something he personally truly believes in and gain the endorsement of an influential political fraction. But he wouldn’t do that, because he puts the Law and Constitution above his personal beliefs, even if it might cost him a dearly. I challenge anybody to name another candidate that would dare to do so.
What I am trying to say is, Ron Paul is not an ordinary presidential candidate. The society grew convinced that there is no such thing as an honest politician. We don’t follow the politics, don’t vote. And even when we do, we vote for someone who promises something that would benefit us personally, as opposed to what is good for the country.
Ron Paul is a once-in-a-century opportunity for this country. Opportunity that came exactly when we needed it the most. Let’s not blow our chance.
November 23, 2007 at 11:51 PM #103245Sandi EganParticipantesmith,
Your previous post made me think, and after posting my answer, I spent a couple of days researching the subject. Someone on this thread accused me of being a white rich straight male, (which I have to admit I am), and as such am looking at the issues differently. I accept that my views on some social issues might be biased by my personal situation, and I might not give some issues the importance I would, if my life and well-being depended on them.
Perhaps, I am no good at describing his positions on all issues. This video might shed light on some of them.
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html#nashua_telegraph
I tried to investigate the Dr. Paul’s stance on social security, medicare, and other related issues, which I admittedly didn’t pay enough attention to. Here’s what I found out:
As you can see in the video, there are two critical positions, that define Dr. Paul’s stance: non-interventionalist foreign policy and protection of personal liberty. Everything else is kind of following from these two. He is not going to disband SSA and Medicare when he gets to the White House. He will try resolve the financial issues that the US is facing, mainly by cutting the foreign military involvement, and then slowly steer the country to a less-bureaucratic route. He promises that everybody who needs help will receive it. That approach will allow to actually fund social programs by better distributing the funding, instead of just raising taxes.
Ron Paul of course has personal position regarding all topics, which may or may not correlate with mine or yours. His approach, however, is that it is not the place of executive branch of the government to force their beliefs on people. Regardless of his personal beliefs, the president should not aspire to replace the law with his own vision. The laws are the Constitution and the will of people expressed through their representatives in Congress. The executive branch is charged with optimal implementation of the laws.
I don’t agree with Ron Paul on some issues. Personally I would benefit from increased funding for science. It hurts my feelings, that he is opposes participating in Darfur crysis resolution and is against branding massacre of Armenians by Turkey in 1915 a genocide. But I understand that his position is not dictated by populist reasons. He claims that the US should not meddle in internal affairs of other nations, which I support, and I fully understand that his principles will not allow him to make exceptions and apply double standards.
I disagree with you that Dr. Paul is trying to sidestep hard questions by saying the States will deal with them. On the contrary, he openly describes how he feels about them, and by doing so repels some of his potential supporters. But the point is, he does not think he as a president will have a right to push his opinion on the country. For example, as an obstetrician he feels very strongly about abortions. He said many times, that in his personal view any abortion is a murder. But he will be opposed to a federal abortion ban, simply because it is not the place of federal government to dictate that. Like with other questionable issues, States decide what constitutes a crime and what should be the punishment. For this reason anti-abortion groups, that fight for a constitutional amendment to ban abortions wouldn’t endorse Ron Paul.
And that brings us to the main and overwhelmingly crucial argument, that defines Ron Paul for me. It looks like an obvious move for a candidate: proclame support for something he personally truly believes in and gain the endorsement of an influential political fraction. But he wouldn’t do that, because he puts the Law and Constitution above his personal beliefs, even if it might cost him a dearly. I challenge anybody to name another candidate that would dare to do so.
What I am trying to say is, Ron Paul is not an ordinary presidential candidate. The society grew convinced that there is no such thing as an honest politician. We don’t follow the politics, don’t vote. And even when we do, we vote for someone who promises something that would benefit us personally, as opposed to what is good for the country.
Ron Paul is a once-in-a-century opportunity for this country. Opportunity that came exactly when we needed it the most. Let’s not blow our chance.
November 23, 2007 at 11:51 PM #103258Sandi EganParticipantesmith,
Your previous post made me think, and after posting my answer, I spent a couple of days researching the subject. Someone on this thread accused me of being a white rich straight male, (which I have to admit I am), and as such am looking at the issues differently. I accept that my views on some social issues might be biased by my personal situation, and I might not give some issues the importance I would, if my life and well-being depended on them.
Perhaps, I am no good at describing his positions on all issues. This video might shed light on some of them.
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html#nashua_telegraph
I tried to investigate the Dr. Paul’s stance on social security, medicare, and other related issues, which I admittedly didn’t pay enough attention to. Here’s what I found out:
As you can see in the video, there are two critical positions, that define Dr. Paul’s stance: non-interventionalist foreign policy and protection of personal liberty. Everything else is kind of following from these two. He is not going to disband SSA and Medicare when he gets to the White House. He will try resolve the financial issues that the US is facing, mainly by cutting the foreign military involvement, and then slowly steer the country to a less-bureaucratic route. He promises that everybody who needs help will receive it. That approach will allow to actually fund social programs by better distributing the funding, instead of just raising taxes.
Ron Paul of course has personal position regarding all topics, which may or may not correlate with mine or yours. His approach, however, is that it is not the place of executive branch of the government to force their beliefs on people. Regardless of his personal beliefs, the president should not aspire to replace the law with his own vision. The laws are the Constitution and the will of people expressed through their representatives in Congress. The executive branch is charged with optimal implementation of the laws.
I don’t agree with Ron Paul on some issues. Personally I would benefit from increased funding for science. It hurts my feelings, that he is opposes participating in Darfur crysis resolution and is against branding massacre of Armenians by Turkey in 1915 a genocide. But I understand that his position is not dictated by populist reasons. He claims that the US should not meddle in internal affairs of other nations, which I support, and I fully understand that his principles will not allow him to make exceptions and apply double standards.
I disagree with you that Dr. Paul is trying to sidestep hard questions by saying the States will deal with them. On the contrary, he openly describes how he feels about them, and by doing so repels some of his potential supporters. But the point is, he does not think he as a president will have a right to push his opinion on the country. For example, as an obstetrician he feels very strongly about abortions. He said many times, that in his personal view any abortion is a murder. But he will be opposed to a federal abortion ban, simply because it is not the place of federal government to dictate that. Like with other questionable issues, States decide what constitutes a crime and what should be the punishment. For this reason anti-abortion groups, that fight for a constitutional amendment to ban abortions wouldn’t endorse Ron Paul.
And that brings us to the main and overwhelmingly crucial argument, that defines Ron Paul for me. It looks like an obvious move for a candidate: proclame support for something he personally truly believes in and gain the endorsement of an influential political fraction. But he wouldn’t do that, because he puts the Law and Constitution above his personal beliefs, even if it might cost him a dearly. I challenge anybody to name another candidate that would dare to do so.
What I am trying to say is, Ron Paul is not an ordinary presidential candidate. The society grew convinced that there is no such thing as an honest politician. We don’t follow the politics, don’t vote. And even when we do, we vote for someone who promises something that would benefit us personally, as opposed to what is good for the country.
Ron Paul is a once-in-a-century opportunity for this country. Opportunity that came exactly when we needed it the most. Let’s not blow our chance.
November 23, 2007 at 11:51 PM #103282Sandi EganParticipantesmith,
Your previous post made me think, and after posting my answer, I spent a couple of days researching the subject. Someone on this thread accused me of being a white rich straight male, (which I have to admit I am), and as such am looking at the issues differently. I accept that my views on some social issues might be biased by my personal situation, and I might not give some issues the importance I would, if my life and well-being depended on them.
Perhaps, I am no good at describing his positions on all issues. This video might shed light on some of them.
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html#nashua_telegraph
I tried to investigate the Dr. Paul’s stance on social security, medicare, and other related issues, which I admittedly didn’t pay enough attention to. Here’s what I found out:
As you can see in the video, there are two critical positions, that define Dr. Paul’s stance: non-interventionalist foreign policy and protection of personal liberty. Everything else is kind of following from these two. He is not going to disband SSA and Medicare when he gets to the White House. He will try resolve the financial issues that the US is facing, mainly by cutting the foreign military involvement, and then slowly steer the country to a less-bureaucratic route. He promises that everybody who needs help will receive it. That approach will allow to actually fund social programs by better distributing the funding, instead of just raising taxes.
Ron Paul of course has personal position regarding all topics, which may or may not correlate with mine or yours. His approach, however, is that it is not the place of executive branch of the government to force their beliefs on people. Regardless of his personal beliefs, the president should not aspire to replace the law with his own vision. The laws are the Constitution and the will of people expressed through their representatives in Congress. The executive branch is charged with optimal implementation of the laws.
I don’t agree with Ron Paul on some issues. Personally I would benefit from increased funding for science. It hurts my feelings, that he is opposes participating in Darfur crysis resolution and is against branding massacre of Armenians by Turkey in 1915 a genocide. But I understand that his position is not dictated by populist reasons. He claims that the US should not meddle in internal affairs of other nations, which I support, and I fully understand that his principles will not allow him to make exceptions and apply double standards.
I disagree with you that Dr. Paul is trying to sidestep hard questions by saying the States will deal with them. On the contrary, he openly describes how he feels about them, and by doing so repels some of his potential supporters. But the point is, he does not think he as a president will have a right to push his opinion on the country. For example, as an obstetrician he feels very strongly about abortions. He said many times, that in his personal view any abortion is a murder. But he will be opposed to a federal abortion ban, simply because it is not the place of federal government to dictate that. Like with other questionable issues, States decide what constitutes a crime and what should be the punishment. For this reason anti-abortion groups, that fight for a constitutional amendment to ban abortions wouldn’t endorse Ron Paul.
And that brings us to the main and overwhelmingly crucial argument, that defines Ron Paul for me. It looks like an obvious move for a candidate: proclame support for something he personally truly believes in and gain the endorsement of an influential political fraction. But he wouldn’t do that, because he puts the Law and Constitution above his personal beliefs, even if it might cost him a dearly. I challenge anybody to name another candidate that would dare to do so.
What I am trying to say is, Ron Paul is not an ordinary presidential candidate. The society grew convinced that there is no such thing as an honest politician. We don’t follow the politics, don’t vote. And even when we do, we vote for someone who promises something that would benefit us personally, as opposed to what is good for the country.
Ron Paul is a once-in-a-century opportunity for this country. Opportunity that came exactly when we needed it the most. Let’s not blow our chance.
November 23, 2007 at 11:51 PM #103303Sandi EganParticipantesmith,
Your previous post made me think, and after posting my answer, I spent a couple of days researching the subject. Someone on this thread accused me of being a white rich straight male, (which I have to admit I am), and as such am looking at the issues differently. I accept that my views on some social issues might be biased by my personal situation, and I might not give some issues the importance I would, if my life and well-being depended on them.
Perhaps, I am no good at describing his positions on all issues. This video might shed light on some of them.
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html#nashua_telegraph
I tried to investigate the Dr. Paul’s stance on social security, medicare, and other related issues, which I admittedly didn’t pay enough attention to. Here’s what I found out:
As you can see in the video, there are two critical positions, that define Dr. Paul’s stance: non-interventionalist foreign policy and protection of personal liberty. Everything else is kind of following from these two. He is not going to disband SSA and Medicare when he gets to the White House. He will try resolve the financial issues that the US is facing, mainly by cutting the foreign military involvement, and then slowly steer the country to a less-bureaucratic route. He promises that everybody who needs help will receive it. That approach will allow to actually fund social programs by better distributing the funding, instead of just raising taxes.
Ron Paul of course has personal position regarding all topics, which may or may not correlate with mine or yours. His approach, however, is that it is not the place of executive branch of the government to force their beliefs on people. Regardless of his personal beliefs, the president should not aspire to replace the law with his own vision. The laws are the Constitution and the will of people expressed through their representatives in Congress. The executive branch is charged with optimal implementation of the laws.
I don’t agree with Ron Paul on some issues. Personally I would benefit from increased funding for science. It hurts my feelings, that he is opposes participating in Darfur crysis resolution and is against branding massacre of Armenians by Turkey in 1915 a genocide. But I understand that his position is not dictated by populist reasons. He claims that the US should not meddle in internal affairs of other nations, which I support, and I fully understand that his principles will not allow him to make exceptions and apply double standards.
I disagree with you that Dr. Paul is trying to sidestep hard questions by saying the States will deal with them. On the contrary, he openly describes how he feels about them, and by doing so repels some of his potential supporters. But the point is, he does not think he as a president will have a right to push his opinion on the country. For example, as an obstetrician he feels very strongly about abortions. He said many times, that in his personal view any abortion is a murder. But he will be opposed to a federal abortion ban, simply because it is not the place of federal government to dictate that. Like with other questionable issues, States decide what constitutes a crime and what should be the punishment. For this reason anti-abortion groups, that fight for a constitutional amendment to ban abortions wouldn’t endorse Ron Paul.
And that brings us to the main and overwhelmingly crucial argument, that defines Ron Paul for me. It looks like an obvious move for a candidate: proclame support for something he personally truly believes in and gain the endorsement of an influential political fraction. But he wouldn’t do that, because he puts the Law and Constitution above his personal beliefs, even if it might cost him a dearly. I challenge anybody to name another candidate that would dare to do so.
What I am trying to say is, Ron Paul is not an ordinary presidential candidate. The society grew convinced that there is no such thing as an honest politician. We don’t follow the politics, don’t vote. And even when we do, we vote for someone who promises something that would benefit us personally, as opposed to what is good for the country.
Ron Paul is a once-in-a-century opportunity for this country. Opportunity that came exactly when we needed it the most. Let’s not blow our chance.
November 24, 2007 at 7:59 AM #103178NotCrankyParticipanthttp://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html
Sandi,
His view on power and use of American Authority will end his presidential hopes. When he talks about a hands off stance against Iran and the economic stances he is famous for, the terrorist propagandist(Republicans) and prosperity conscious ideologues(all candidates) that are going to be the real core of the election campaigns will be brought out to do away with him. I like his view on these two issues but they will be a threat to “our freedom” “our standard” of living” and U.S. voters will not have the will to see past this.Dr. Paul’s response to the religion issue is just a shame as far as I am concerned.The religion issue is a shame for me throughout the political process, especially at the national level. It is just as much what he says as what he doesn’t say. When we have a candidate similar to Dr. Paul, who also seems contemporary and intellectually honest, on church and state/religion and politics, I will get really excited. His poor rhetoric on religion is a bigger strike against him than it is to other candidates because he gives me the hope that he would be more progressive. He is totally unexceptional on this front and is in fact a disappointment.
November 24, 2007 at 7:59 AM #103259NotCrankyParticipanthttp://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html
Sandi,
His view on power and use of American Authority will end his presidential hopes. When he talks about a hands off stance against Iran and the economic stances he is famous for, the terrorist propagandist(Republicans) and prosperity conscious ideologues(all candidates) that are going to be the real core of the election campaigns will be brought out to do away with him. I like his view on these two issues but they will be a threat to “our freedom” “our standard” of living” and U.S. voters will not have the will to see past this.Dr. Paul’s response to the religion issue is just a shame as far as I am concerned.The religion issue is a shame for me throughout the political process, especially at the national level. It is just as much what he says as what he doesn’t say. When we have a candidate similar to Dr. Paul, who also seems contemporary and intellectually honest, on church and state/religion and politics, I will get really excited. His poor rhetoric on religion is a bigger strike against him than it is to other candidates because he gives me the hope that he would be more progressive. He is totally unexceptional on this front and is in fact a disappointment.
November 24, 2007 at 7:59 AM #103273NotCrankyParticipanthttp://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html
Sandi,
His view on power and use of American Authority will end his presidential hopes. When he talks about a hands off stance against Iran and the economic stances he is famous for, the terrorist propagandist(Republicans) and prosperity conscious ideologues(all candidates) that are going to be the real core of the election campaigns will be brought out to do away with him. I like his view on these two issues but they will be a threat to “our freedom” “our standard” of living” and U.S. voters will not have the will to see past this.Dr. Paul’s response to the religion issue is just a shame as far as I am concerned.The religion issue is a shame for me throughout the political process, especially at the national level. It is just as much what he says as what he doesn’t say. When we have a candidate similar to Dr. Paul, who also seems contemporary and intellectually honest, on church and state/religion and politics, I will get really excited. His poor rhetoric on religion is a bigger strike against him than it is to other candidates because he gives me the hope that he would be more progressive. He is totally unexceptional on this front and is in fact a disappointment.
November 24, 2007 at 7:59 AM #103297NotCrankyParticipanthttp://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html
Sandi,
His view on power and use of American Authority will end his presidential hopes. When he talks about a hands off stance against Iran and the economic stances he is famous for, the terrorist propagandist(Republicans) and prosperity conscious ideologues(all candidates) that are going to be the real core of the election campaigns will be brought out to do away with him. I like his view on these two issues but they will be a threat to “our freedom” “our standard” of living” and U.S. voters will not have the will to see past this.Dr. Paul’s response to the religion issue is just a shame as far as I am concerned.The religion issue is a shame for me throughout the political process, especially at the national level. It is just as much what he says as what he doesn’t say. When we have a candidate similar to Dr. Paul, who also seems contemporary and intellectually honest, on church and state/religion and politics, I will get really excited. His poor rhetoric on religion is a bigger strike against him than it is to other candidates because he gives me the hope that he would be more progressive. He is totally unexceptional on this front and is in fact a disappointment.
November 24, 2007 at 7:59 AM #103318NotCrankyParticipanthttp://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html
Sandi,
His view on power and use of American Authority will end his presidential hopes. When he talks about a hands off stance against Iran and the economic stances he is famous for, the terrorist propagandist(Republicans) and prosperity conscious ideologues(all candidates) that are going to be the real core of the election campaigns will be brought out to do away with him. I like his view on these two issues but they will be a threat to “our freedom” “our standard” of living” and U.S. voters will not have the will to see past this.Dr. Paul’s response to the religion issue is just a shame as far as I am concerned.The religion issue is a shame for me throughout the political process, especially at the national level. It is just as much what he says as what he doesn’t say. When we have a candidate similar to Dr. Paul, who also seems contemporary and intellectually honest, on church and state/religion and politics, I will get really excited. His poor rhetoric on religion is a bigger strike against him than it is to other candidates because he gives me the hope that he would be more progressive. He is totally unexceptional on this front and is in fact a disappointment.
November 24, 2007 at 9:11 AM #1031984plexownerParticipantSandi Eagan – to summarize your description of Ron Paul: he is a statesman
a statesman puts his country and people first and moves into politics because of his passionate beliefs
a politician chooses politics as a profession that will allow them to achieve their personal ambitions (power, fame, wealth, all of the above) – the people are secondary to their personal agenda
Ron Paul is the first statesman the world has seen in a long, long time – perhaps the world has forgotten what honesty and passion look like (or is scared witless by the sight)
November 24, 2007 at 9:11 AM #1032794plexownerParticipantSandi Eagan – to summarize your description of Ron Paul: he is a statesman
a statesman puts his country and people first and moves into politics because of his passionate beliefs
a politician chooses politics as a profession that will allow them to achieve their personal ambitions (power, fame, wealth, all of the above) – the people are secondary to their personal agenda
Ron Paul is the first statesman the world has seen in a long, long time – perhaps the world has forgotten what honesty and passion look like (or is scared witless by the sight)
November 24, 2007 at 9:11 AM #1032954plexownerParticipantSandi Eagan – to summarize your description of Ron Paul: he is a statesman
a statesman puts his country and people first and moves into politics because of his passionate beliefs
a politician chooses politics as a profession that will allow them to achieve their personal ambitions (power, fame, wealth, all of the above) – the people are secondary to their personal agenda
Ron Paul is the first statesman the world has seen in a long, long time – perhaps the world has forgotten what honesty and passion look like (or is scared witless by the sight)
November 24, 2007 at 9:11 AM #1033174plexownerParticipantSandi Eagan – to summarize your description of Ron Paul: he is a statesman
a statesman puts his country and people first and moves into politics because of his passionate beliefs
a politician chooses politics as a profession that will allow them to achieve their personal ambitions (power, fame, wealth, all of the above) – the people are secondary to their personal agenda
Ron Paul is the first statesman the world has seen in a long, long time – perhaps the world has forgotten what honesty and passion look like (or is scared witless by the sight)
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