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March 2, 2009 at 12:26 PM #359080March 2, 2009 at 12:46 PM #358519daveljParticipant
[quote=partypup][quote=davelj]I would say the Great Depression qualifies as implosion (based on unemployment, social strife, etc.), to use just one example.[/quote]
Then according to Volcker and Soros, you need to brace yourself for an implosion. Don’t shoot the messenger.
[/quote]I would prefer not to have an implosion – it would certainly have more of a negative impact on me and my finances (not to mention those of others) than a positive impact – but I’m prepared for it if it comes. Several years worth of liquidity, if it comes to that. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and all that business.
Actually, if memory serves, Volcker did not suggest that we were heading into a depression. He merely suggested that things were deteriorating at a rate as fast or faster than occurred in the Great Depression. That’s a distinction with an important difference. Soros, on the other hand, does think we’re headed into a depression. Of course, as usual, Soros is talking his own book – which is his right. Many other “smart folks,” such as Buffett, Grantham (and others), merely think we’re in for a deep, long recession, with plenty of economic and financial damage. But they’re probably talking THEIR books as well. My point is that pitting “expert against expert” is not particularly rigorous or persuasive since you can always find smart folks on either side of a contentious debate.
March 2, 2009 at 12:46 PM #358820daveljParticipant[quote=partypup][quote=davelj]I would say the Great Depression qualifies as implosion (based on unemployment, social strife, etc.), to use just one example.[/quote]
Then according to Volcker and Soros, you need to brace yourself for an implosion. Don’t shoot the messenger.
[/quote]I would prefer not to have an implosion – it would certainly have more of a negative impact on me and my finances (not to mention those of others) than a positive impact – but I’m prepared for it if it comes. Several years worth of liquidity, if it comes to that. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and all that business.
Actually, if memory serves, Volcker did not suggest that we were heading into a depression. He merely suggested that things were deteriorating at a rate as fast or faster than occurred in the Great Depression. That’s a distinction with an important difference. Soros, on the other hand, does think we’re headed into a depression. Of course, as usual, Soros is talking his own book – which is his right. Many other “smart folks,” such as Buffett, Grantham (and others), merely think we’re in for a deep, long recession, with plenty of economic and financial damage. But they’re probably talking THEIR books as well. My point is that pitting “expert against expert” is not particularly rigorous or persuasive since you can always find smart folks on either side of a contentious debate.
March 2, 2009 at 12:46 PM #358963daveljParticipant[quote=partypup][quote=davelj]I would say the Great Depression qualifies as implosion (based on unemployment, social strife, etc.), to use just one example.[/quote]
Then according to Volcker and Soros, you need to brace yourself for an implosion. Don’t shoot the messenger.
[/quote]I would prefer not to have an implosion – it would certainly have more of a negative impact on me and my finances (not to mention those of others) than a positive impact – but I’m prepared for it if it comes. Several years worth of liquidity, if it comes to that. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and all that business.
Actually, if memory serves, Volcker did not suggest that we were heading into a depression. He merely suggested that things were deteriorating at a rate as fast or faster than occurred in the Great Depression. That’s a distinction with an important difference. Soros, on the other hand, does think we’re headed into a depression. Of course, as usual, Soros is talking his own book – which is his right. Many other “smart folks,” such as Buffett, Grantham (and others), merely think we’re in for a deep, long recession, with plenty of economic and financial damage. But they’re probably talking THEIR books as well. My point is that pitting “expert against expert” is not particularly rigorous or persuasive since you can always find smart folks on either side of a contentious debate.
March 2, 2009 at 12:46 PM #358996daveljParticipant[quote=partypup][quote=davelj]I would say the Great Depression qualifies as implosion (based on unemployment, social strife, etc.), to use just one example.[/quote]
Then according to Volcker and Soros, you need to brace yourself for an implosion. Don’t shoot the messenger.
[/quote]I would prefer not to have an implosion – it would certainly have more of a negative impact on me and my finances (not to mention those of others) than a positive impact – but I’m prepared for it if it comes. Several years worth of liquidity, if it comes to that. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and all that business.
Actually, if memory serves, Volcker did not suggest that we were heading into a depression. He merely suggested that things were deteriorating at a rate as fast or faster than occurred in the Great Depression. That’s a distinction with an important difference. Soros, on the other hand, does think we’re headed into a depression. Of course, as usual, Soros is talking his own book – which is his right. Many other “smart folks,” such as Buffett, Grantham (and others), merely think we’re in for a deep, long recession, with plenty of economic and financial damage. But they’re probably talking THEIR books as well. My point is that pitting “expert against expert” is not particularly rigorous or persuasive since you can always find smart folks on either side of a contentious debate.
March 2, 2009 at 12:46 PM #359099daveljParticipant[quote=partypup][quote=davelj]I would say the Great Depression qualifies as implosion (based on unemployment, social strife, etc.), to use just one example.[/quote]
Then according to Volcker and Soros, you need to brace yourself for an implosion. Don’t shoot the messenger.
[/quote]I would prefer not to have an implosion – it would certainly have more of a negative impact on me and my finances (not to mention those of others) than a positive impact – but I’m prepared for it if it comes. Several years worth of liquidity, if it comes to that. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and all that business.
Actually, if memory serves, Volcker did not suggest that we were heading into a depression. He merely suggested that things were deteriorating at a rate as fast or faster than occurred in the Great Depression. That’s a distinction with an important difference. Soros, on the other hand, does think we’re headed into a depression. Of course, as usual, Soros is talking his own book – which is his right. Many other “smart folks,” such as Buffett, Grantham (and others), merely think we’re in for a deep, long recession, with plenty of economic and financial damage. But they’re probably talking THEIR books as well. My point is that pitting “expert against expert” is not particularly rigorous or persuasive since you can always find smart folks on either side of a contentious debate.
March 2, 2009 at 1:14 PM #358564NotCrankyParticipantFor the record, I think Freud was a misogynist and a quack, but to each his own.
Could be right, the penis envy thing seems stupid.He didn’t escape being a product of his time completely with regards to social attitudes about gender. I actually read Karen Horney more than Freud. She had some negative views on Freud but was basically extrapolating,perhaps improving on his works and those of other predecessors in some areas.This part that I quoted is pretty standard thinking in psychoanalysis. Note that it does not claim that people using adaptive mechanism are sick or abnormal.Nor does it necessarily apply to you.You are vigilante and that is good. You can obviously decide if you are taking it too far for yourself.
I actually have the some of the same motivations for countering your claims as you have for making them.I am ill-prepared if I am frightened more than frightended if ill prepared. I don’t want to see anyone else go off the deep end either.
Not so much of it really is about “pretending everything” is O.K. whereas you say you have suffered a recent shock to your belief system, regarding dreams, I have not. There are a lot of people who are in line for a beating long before I am. I see them faring reasonably well,even when they lose some of the material things, maybe a little of what they hold as prestigious, so I think to myself life goes on.That’s not to say everything is a cake walk but it looks like the basics will be covered without dire changes. If I see different things, I will think different things.Can’t control everything. I probably need to take Breeze’s admontition to enjoy life more than you do though!
March 2, 2009 at 1:14 PM #358865NotCrankyParticipantFor the record, I think Freud was a misogynist and a quack, but to each his own.
Could be right, the penis envy thing seems stupid.He didn’t escape being a product of his time completely with regards to social attitudes about gender. I actually read Karen Horney more than Freud. She had some negative views on Freud but was basically extrapolating,perhaps improving on his works and those of other predecessors in some areas.This part that I quoted is pretty standard thinking in psychoanalysis. Note that it does not claim that people using adaptive mechanism are sick or abnormal.Nor does it necessarily apply to you.You are vigilante and that is good. You can obviously decide if you are taking it too far for yourself.
I actually have the some of the same motivations for countering your claims as you have for making them.I am ill-prepared if I am frightened more than frightended if ill prepared. I don’t want to see anyone else go off the deep end either.
Not so much of it really is about “pretending everything” is O.K. whereas you say you have suffered a recent shock to your belief system, regarding dreams, I have not. There are a lot of people who are in line for a beating long before I am. I see them faring reasonably well,even when they lose some of the material things, maybe a little of what they hold as prestigious, so I think to myself life goes on.That’s not to say everything is a cake walk but it looks like the basics will be covered without dire changes. If I see different things, I will think different things.Can’t control everything. I probably need to take Breeze’s admontition to enjoy life more than you do though!
March 2, 2009 at 1:14 PM #359006NotCrankyParticipantFor the record, I think Freud was a misogynist and a quack, but to each his own.
Could be right, the penis envy thing seems stupid.He didn’t escape being a product of his time completely with regards to social attitudes about gender. I actually read Karen Horney more than Freud. She had some negative views on Freud but was basically extrapolating,perhaps improving on his works and those of other predecessors in some areas.This part that I quoted is pretty standard thinking in psychoanalysis. Note that it does not claim that people using adaptive mechanism are sick or abnormal.Nor does it necessarily apply to you.You are vigilante and that is good. You can obviously decide if you are taking it too far for yourself.
I actually have the some of the same motivations for countering your claims as you have for making them.I am ill-prepared if I am frightened more than frightended if ill prepared. I don’t want to see anyone else go off the deep end either.
Not so much of it really is about “pretending everything” is O.K. whereas you say you have suffered a recent shock to your belief system, regarding dreams, I have not. There are a lot of people who are in line for a beating long before I am. I see them faring reasonably well,even when they lose some of the material things, maybe a little of what they hold as prestigious, so I think to myself life goes on.That’s not to say everything is a cake walk but it looks like the basics will be covered without dire changes. If I see different things, I will think different things.Can’t control everything. I probably need to take Breeze’s admontition to enjoy life more than you do though!
March 2, 2009 at 1:14 PM #359043NotCrankyParticipantFor the record, I think Freud was a misogynist and a quack, but to each his own.
Could be right, the penis envy thing seems stupid.He didn’t escape being a product of his time completely with regards to social attitudes about gender. I actually read Karen Horney more than Freud. She had some negative views on Freud but was basically extrapolating,perhaps improving on his works and those of other predecessors in some areas.This part that I quoted is pretty standard thinking in psychoanalysis. Note that it does not claim that people using adaptive mechanism are sick or abnormal.Nor does it necessarily apply to you.You are vigilante and that is good. You can obviously decide if you are taking it too far for yourself.
I actually have the some of the same motivations for countering your claims as you have for making them.I am ill-prepared if I am frightened more than frightended if ill prepared. I don’t want to see anyone else go off the deep end either.
Not so much of it really is about “pretending everything” is O.K. whereas you say you have suffered a recent shock to your belief system, regarding dreams, I have not. There are a lot of people who are in line for a beating long before I am. I see them faring reasonably well,even when they lose some of the material things, maybe a little of what they hold as prestigious, so I think to myself life goes on.That’s not to say everything is a cake walk but it looks like the basics will be covered without dire changes. If I see different things, I will think different things.Can’t control everything. I probably need to take Breeze’s admontition to enjoy life more than you do though!
March 2, 2009 at 1:14 PM #359145NotCrankyParticipantFor the record, I think Freud was a misogynist and a quack, but to each his own.
Could be right, the penis envy thing seems stupid.He didn’t escape being a product of his time completely with regards to social attitudes about gender. I actually read Karen Horney more than Freud. She had some negative views on Freud but was basically extrapolating,perhaps improving on his works and those of other predecessors in some areas.This part that I quoted is pretty standard thinking in psychoanalysis. Note that it does not claim that people using adaptive mechanism are sick or abnormal.Nor does it necessarily apply to you.You are vigilante and that is good. You can obviously decide if you are taking it too far for yourself.
I actually have the some of the same motivations for countering your claims as you have for making them.I am ill-prepared if I am frightened more than frightended if ill prepared. I don’t want to see anyone else go off the deep end either.
Not so much of it really is about “pretending everything” is O.K. whereas you say you have suffered a recent shock to your belief system, regarding dreams, I have not. There are a lot of people who are in line for a beating long before I am. I see them faring reasonably well,even when they lose some of the material things, maybe a little of what they hold as prestigious, so I think to myself life goes on.That’s not to say everything is a cake walk but it looks like the basics will be covered without dire changes. If I see different things, I will think different things.Can’t control everything. I probably need to take Breeze’s admontition to enjoy life more than you do though!
March 2, 2009 at 1:43 PM #358604Allan from FallbrookParticipantRus: A buddy of mine who is in the FBI has a great expression regarding guns: “I’d rather carry one for twenty years and not need it, then need it once and not have it”.
Or as we Rangers used to say (paraphrasing the USMC “Semper Fidelis” (Always Faithful)): “Semper Gumby” (Always Flexible). If you’re ready for anything, you won’t be caught unprepared.
Hoo-ah.
March 2, 2009 at 1:43 PM #358906Allan from FallbrookParticipantRus: A buddy of mine who is in the FBI has a great expression regarding guns: “I’d rather carry one for twenty years and not need it, then need it once and not have it”.
Or as we Rangers used to say (paraphrasing the USMC “Semper Fidelis” (Always Faithful)): “Semper Gumby” (Always Flexible). If you’re ready for anything, you won’t be caught unprepared.
Hoo-ah.
March 2, 2009 at 1:43 PM #359046Allan from FallbrookParticipantRus: A buddy of mine who is in the FBI has a great expression regarding guns: “I’d rather carry one for twenty years and not need it, then need it once and not have it”.
Or as we Rangers used to say (paraphrasing the USMC “Semper Fidelis” (Always Faithful)): “Semper Gumby” (Always Flexible). If you’re ready for anything, you won’t be caught unprepared.
Hoo-ah.
March 2, 2009 at 1:43 PM #359082Allan from FallbrookParticipantRus: A buddy of mine who is in the FBI has a great expression regarding guns: “I’d rather carry one for twenty years and not need it, then need it once and not have it”.
Or as we Rangers used to say (paraphrasing the USMC “Semper Fidelis” (Always Faithful)): “Semper Gumby” (Always Flexible). If you’re ready for anything, you won’t be caught unprepared.
Hoo-ah.
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