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January 17, 2015 at 6:14 PM #21378January 17, 2015 at 7:10 PM #782120spdrunParticipant
Top rate used to be 28% prior to 1990 or so. People still built wealth. Good luck to him getting Congress to approve it, though. Should be a gridlocked two years considering the bitterness on both sides.
The funnier part is the $500 tax credit for to encourage women to work. Does anyone really think that $500 per year is going to make the difference between staying home and working for anyone, considering that not working means forgoing at least $20k per year? And what’s wrong with one-working-parent families anyway?
January 17, 2015 at 8:24 PM #782121SK in CVParticipantLong past due. There may have been a time when preferential tax treatment for capital over labor was warranted. Those days are long past. Even if this passes, there will still be preference for capital, but at least it will be shrinking.
January 17, 2015 at 11:36 PM #782125anParticipantWith 28% rate, for a married couple making $230,450 or a single person making $189,300, there would be no point in keep stocks for a year for long term cap gain anymore. I wonder if this will drive up volume and volatility. At the very least those W2-er who participate in ESPP, there would be no reason to keep it for a year anymore.
January 18, 2015 at 2:09 AM #782129CA renterParticipantNo reason for different tax rates in the first place. This is just another example of the rich controlling policies that benefit them most.
ALL income should be taxed at the same, steeply progressive rates. That is the fairest way to tax, without exception. I have yet to hear a compelling argument that would justify favorable tax treatment for unearned income.
Of course, there IS an argument that unearned income should be offset by some sort of inflation factor (and earned income, too, if it’s not adjusted by inflation…a COLA of some sort). We can work on that while reforming our tax code in a way that would benefit the greatest possible number of people in the greatest possible way.
January 18, 2015 at 2:53 AM #782130CoronitaParticipant[quote=AN]With 28% rate, for a married couple making $230,450 or a single person making $189,300, there would be no point in keep stocks for a year for long term cap gain anymore. I wonder if this will drive up volume and volatility. At the very least those W2-er who participate in ESPP, there would be no reason to keep it for a year anymore.[/quote]
Some of us don’t keep the ESPP shares for that LT capital gains anyway, due to the inherent volatility of our employer 🙂
Man…Gotta love that marriage penalty…lol…
January 18, 2015 at 6:30 AM #782131scaredyclassicParticipantI feel like I deserve 500 bucks for staying married and keeping a job.
January 18, 2015 at 8:35 AM #782135CoronitaParticipantI wonder if the biggest impact what is being proposed have the biggest impact on the middle class that plans on passing on a small biz or primary home to their kids, especially the baby boomers.
Afterall, if my understanding is correct, the proposal also eliminates the capital gains exemption from properties over $500k (not sure how small farms would work)…So…..upon death, the youngsters will need to cough up the capital gains tax bill or sell the property (and most likely they won’t have the money to pay the tax bill)….So in high cost areas…ouch…..And chances are, most of these middle class heirs won’t have the money for the cap gains bill.
For rich(er) people, this won’t be a problem, since I’m sure aforementioned heirs already have their trust funds set up well before that…
Oh, an foreign money aren’t subject to this, so that’s great news for foreign money…
Can you say, screw the upper middle class again?
January 18, 2015 at 9:41 AM #782137utcsoxParticipant[quote=flu]I wonder if the biggest impact what is being proposed have the biggest impact on the middle class that plans on passing on a small biz or primary home to their kids, especially the baby boomers.
Afterall, if my understanding is correct, the proposal also eliminates the capital gains exemption from properties over $500k (not sure how small farms would work)…So…..upon death, the youngsters will need to cough up the capital gains tax bill or sell the property (and most likely they won’t have the money to pay the tax bill)….So in high cost areas…ouch…..And chances are, most of these middle class heirs won’t have the money for the cap gains bill.
For rich(er) people, this won’t be a problem, since I’m sure aforementioned heirs already have their trust funds set up well before that…
Oh, an foreign money aren’t subject to this, so that’s great news for foreign money…
Can you say, screw the upper middle class again?[/quote]
“Family-owned businesses wouldn’t have to pay any capital gains until or unless the business was sold, and slightly bigger, closely-held businesses would have 15 years to pay whatever they owe.”
January 18, 2015 at 9:46 AM #782139utcsoxParticipant[quote=AN]With 28% rate, for a married couple making $230,450 or a single person making $189,300, there would be no point in keep stocks for a year for long term cap gain anymore. I wonder if this will drive up volume and volatility. At the very least those W2-er who participate in ESPP, there would be no reason to keep it for a year anymore.[/quote]
The long-term captain gains tax rate is 20% if and only if your ordinary income tax rate is at 39.6%. The proposed rule change does not apply to the example you described.
January 18, 2015 at 10:47 AM #782141anParticipant[quote=utcsox][quote=AN]With 28% rate, for a married couple making $230,450 or a single person making $189,300, there would be no point in keep stocks for a year for long term cap gain anymore. I wonder if this will drive up volume and volatility. At the very least those W2-er who participate in ESPP, there would be no reason to keep it for a year anymore.[/quote]
The long-term captain gains tax rate is 20% if and only if your ordinary income tax rate is at 39.6%. The proposed rule change does not apply to the example you described.[/quote]I didn’t read the part about it only apply to highest earner.
January 18, 2015 at 10:54 AM #782142anParticipant[quote=flu]I wonder if the biggest impact what is being proposed have the biggest impact on the middle class that plans on passing on a small biz or primary home to their kids, especially the baby boomers.
Afterall, if my understanding is correct, the proposal also eliminates the capital gains exemption from properties over $500k (not sure how small farms would work)…So…..upon death, the youngsters will need to cough up the capital gains tax bill or sell the property (and most likely they won’t have the money to pay the tax bill)….So in high cost areas…ouch…..And chances are, most of these middle class heirs won’t have the money for the cap gains bill.
For rich(er) people, this won’t be a problem, since I’m sure aforementioned heirs already have their trust funds set up well before that…
Oh, an foreign money aren’t subject to this, so that’s great news for foreign money…
Can you say, screw the upper middle class again?[/quote]
If your understanding is correct and this goes through, then it would make perfect sense to do a cash out refi and then let the property foreclose near your death. That would guarantee your tax rate of the property to be 20% or less, depending on how much they let you pull out. Or you can slowly withdraw money out of your house to help your kids pay for their houses. Then foreclose on your properties. At near death. In another word, there’s no point in having a paid off house if the intention is to pass it on.January 18, 2015 at 4:30 PM #782150CoronitaParticipantEver wonder when politicians go after “rich” and attempt to tax “rich more”….somehow, they always leave out all the corporate tax loopholes…but instead go after the much lower hanging fruit, typical higher W2 wage earners (double income earners) with supplemental dividends/investment income that is slightly 1 step above middle class but certainly not “rich”, the ones that typically can’t dodge the tax bill through some sketchy slight of hand… Funny how that always seems to work…..
January 18, 2015 at 6:28 PM #782151SK in CVParticipant[quote=flu]Ever wonder when politicians go after “rich” and attempt to tax “rich more”….somehow, they always leave out all the corporate tax loopholes…but instead go after the much lower hanging fruit, typical higher W2 wage earners (double income earners) with supplemental dividends/investment income that is slightly 1 step above middle class but certainly not “rich”, the ones that typically can’t dodge the tax bill through some sketchy slight of hand… Funny how that always seems to work…..[/quote]
This doesn’t do anything like that. Taxes on wages would be unaffected. Some of the supplemental income would be affected if it was capital gains. No change to taxes on dividends or interest for high wage earners. The biggest effect will be those that have big cap gains. The cap gain tax rate will still be more than 25% lower than on marginal earned income for those affected. There’s no good reason it should be any lower.
January 18, 2015 at 6:49 PM #782153anParticipant[quote=SK in CV][quote=flu]Ever wonder when politicians go after “rich” and attempt to tax “rich more”….somehow, they always leave out all the corporate tax loopholes…but instead go after the much lower hanging fruit, typical higher W2 wage earners (double income earners) with supplemental dividends/investment income that is slightly 1 step above middle class but certainly not “rich”, the ones that typically can’t dodge the tax bill through some sketchy slight of hand… Funny how that always seems to work…..[/quote]
This doesn’t do anything like that. Taxes on wages would be unaffected. Some of the supplemental income would be affected if it was capital gains. No change to taxes on dividends or interest for high wage earners. The biggest effect will be those that have big cap gains. The cap gain tax rate will still be more than 25% lower than on marginal earned income for those affected. There’s no good reason it should be any lower.[/quote]does this touch the truly rich with 0 income and all cap gain and dividends?
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