[OT] WSJ: “Why Chinese Mothers are Superior”

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=AN]I assume this is all tongue in cheek but my perspective is, why try to cheat to get into a UC or better school. If your kids can’t even hang w/ your peers at ANY HS in SD, then most likely, your kids be creamed when they get into those prestigious schools. My guess is 90-95% of their peers will get into those school based on their own merits, so, sooner or later, they’ll have to compete at a level they can’t compete at and drop out, or get a 2.0 average.[/quote]

Yeah. I’m sure no one has ever cheated in colleges and universities.[/quote]

Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?

[an]

[quote=flu]
Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?[/quote]
I don’t disagree about taking advantage of the rule. All I was saying is, if your kids can’t even get a 3.5 in HS, they probably won’t be able to hang w/ the big boys at the top 20-30 university (due to either study habit or pure natural smarts). If they already are getting 4.0+ and they just want to increase their chances of getting in, then that’s a different story.

Cheating might be the wrong term to use, but the fact is, cheating the system to get yourself in won’t guarantee that they’ll be able to compete w/ the big boys for 4+ years and graduate.

[an]

[quote=flu]
Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?[/quote]
I don’t disagree about taking advantage of the rule. All I was saying is, if your kids can’t even get a 3.5 in HS, they probably won’t be able to hang w/ the big boys at the top 20-30 university (due to either study habit or pure natural smarts). If they already are getting 4.0+ and they just want to increase their chances of getting in, then that’s a different story.

Cheating might be the wrong term to use, but the fact is, cheating the system to get yourself in won’t guarantee that they’ll be able to compete w/ the big boys for 4+ years and graduate.

[an]

[quote=flu]
Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?[/quote]
I don’t disagree about taking advantage of the rule. All I was saying is, if your kids can’t even get a 3.5 in HS, they probably won’t be able to hang w/ the big boys at the top 20-30 university (due to either study habit or pure natural smarts). If they already are getting 4.0+ and they just want to increase their chances of getting in, then that’s a different story.

Cheating might be the wrong term to use, but the fact is, cheating the system to get yourself in won’t guarantee that they’ll be able to compete w/ the big boys for 4+ years and graduate.

[an]

[quote=flu]
Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?[/quote]
I don’t disagree about taking advantage of the rule. All I was saying is, if your kids can’t even get a 3.5 in HS, they probably won’t be able to hang w/ the big boys at the top 20-30 university (due to either study habit or pure natural smarts). If they already are getting 4.0+ and they just want to increase their chances of getting in, then that’s a different story.

Cheating might be the wrong term to use, but the fact is, cheating the system to get yourself in won’t guarantee that they’ll be able to compete w/ the big boys for 4+ years and graduate.

[an]

[quote=flu]
Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?[/quote]
I don’t disagree about taking advantage of the rule. All I was saying is, if your kids can’t even get a 3.5 in HS, they probably won’t be able to hang w/ the big boys at the top 20-30 university (due to either study habit or pure natural smarts). If they already are getting 4.0+ and they just want to increase their chances of getting in, then that’s a different story.

Cheating might be the wrong term to use, but the fact is, cheating the system to get yourself in won’t guarantee that they’ll be able to compete w/ the big boys for 4+ years and graduate.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]
Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?[/quote]
I don’t disagree about taking advantage of the rule. All I was saying is, if your kids can’t even get a 3.5 in HS, they probably won’t be able to hang w/ the big boys at the top 20-30 university (due to either study habit or pure natural smarts). If they already are getting 4.0+ and they just want to increase their chances of getting in, then that’s a different story.

Cheating might be the wrong term to use, but the fact is, cheating the system to get yourself in won’t guarantee that they’ll be able to compete w/ the big boys for 4+ years and graduate.[/quote]

Heh heh… Then you never used recycled homework and mid terms from prior years 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]
Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?[/quote]
I don’t disagree about taking advantage of the rule. All I was saying is, if your kids can’t even get a 3.5 in HS, they probably won’t be able to hang w/ the big boys at the top 20-30 university (due to either study habit or pure natural smarts). If they already are getting 4.0+ and they just want to increase their chances of getting in, then that’s a different story.

Cheating might be the wrong term to use, but the fact is, cheating the system to get yourself in won’t guarantee that they’ll be able to compete w/ the big boys for 4+ years and graduate.[/quote]

Heh heh… Then you never used recycled homework and mid terms from prior years 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]
Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?[/quote]
I don’t disagree about taking advantage of the rule. All I was saying is, if your kids can’t even get a 3.5 in HS, they probably won’t be able to hang w/ the big boys at the top 20-30 university (due to either study habit or pure natural smarts). If they already are getting 4.0+ and they just want to increase their chances of getting in, then that’s a different story.

Cheating might be the wrong term to use, but the fact is, cheating the system to get yourself in won’t guarantee that they’ll be able to compete w/ the big boys for 4+ years and graduate.[/quote]

Heh heh… Then you never used recycled homework and mid terms from prior years 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]
Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?[/quote]
I don’t disagree about taking advantage of the rule. All I was saying is, if your kids can’t even get a 3.5 in HS, they probably won’t be able to hang w/ the big boys at the top 20-30 university (due to either study habit or pure natural smarts). If they already are getting 4.0+ and they just want to increase their chances of getting in, then that’s a different story.

Cheating might be the wrong term to use, but the fact is, cheating the system to get yourself in won’t guarantee that they’ll be able to compete w/ the big boys for 4+ years and graduate.[/quote]

Heh heh… Then you never used recycled homework and mid terms from prior years 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]
Actually, AN. I don’t think this is cheating in the sense that the rules that were established weren’t exactly creating a level playing field to begin with. Plus, I’m not suggesting one mismark the ethnicity…But if some admissions person wants to classify a last name as such, nothing I can do about that, can I? Cheating no, exploiting a dumb rule, yes…. Just making a mockery of the system is what I’m getting at. Why should my kid have to work twice as hard to compete with twice as many people to get into the same programs over a stupid last name?[/quote]
I don’t disagree about taking advantage of the rule. All I was saying is, if your kids can’t even get a 3.5 in HS, they probably won’t be able to hang w/ the big boys at the top 20-30 university (due to either study habit or pure natural smarts). If they already are getting 4.0+ and they just want to increase their chances of getting in, then that’s a different story.

Cheating might be the wrong term to use, but the fact is, cheating the system to get yourself in won’t guarantee that they’ll be able to compete w/ the big boys for 4+ years and graduate.[/quote]

Heh heh… Then you never used recycled homework and mid terms from prior years 🙂

[bearishgurl]

[quote=equalizer]Don’t forget to move kid in last year of HS to lowest performing school in county, sure way to get into any college.[/quote]

My .02: If your (prior to junior-level) HS kid is excelling in AP/IB classes in a SD County HS with a high API, you may as well sell your (no doubt high MR, high HOA fee) SD North Co mcmansion and move to a coveted Normal Heights or Kensington canyon rim or village lot well in advance of your retirement, Piggs. Why not enjoy the view from SD’s finest ‘hoods! And don’t forget to check out any “rare” listings in “Alvarado Estates” (Crawford attendance area). It’s walking/biking distance to SDSU!

This “calculated” and “strategic” move will enable your child to obtain a “guaranteed admission” to UC schools (race/nationality be damned).

Hoover HS 2010 API: 625

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2010GrowthSch.aspx?allcds=37683383732997

Crawford HS 2010 API: 626

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2010GrowthSch.aspx?allcds=37683380107177

This is the way our “esteemed system” works, Piggs. It’s NOT illegal and it’s NOT cheating to do this! It is a very practical workaround, indeed. From my fairly recent conversations with university dept heads, I believe ALL CSU/UC campuses will be EXTREMELY impacted in the coming years due to budget cuts AND a HUGE population of kids in the “pipeline.” As a consequence, many, many qualified potential incoming students will be denied admission.

Eligibility in the Local Context, commonly referred to as ELC, is met by applicants ranked in the top 4% of their high school class in terms of performance on an 11-unit pattern of UC-approved high school courses. Beginning with fall 2007 applicants, ELC will also require a UC-calculated GPA of at least 3.0. Fully eligible ELC students are guaranteed a spot at one of UC’s undergraduate campuses, though not necessarily at their first-choice campus or even to a campus to which they applied.

(emphasis added)

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California

IMO, many Piggs seem to be sweating over this college admission stuff (even while their kid(s) are still in strollers). All this blood ($$), sweat and tears only makes sense if you KNOW you will have the bucks to send your kid to a private university. Who knows what private universities will cost 15+ years from now??

[bearishgurl]

[quote=equalizer]Don’t forget to move kid in last year of HS to lowest performing school in county, sure way to get into any college.[/quote]

My .02: If your (prior to junior-level) HS kid is excelling in AP/IB classes in a SD County HS with a high API, you may as well sell your (no doubt high MR, high HOA fee) SD North Co mcmansion and move to a coveted Normal Heights or Kensington canyon rim or village lot well in advance of your retirement, Piggs. Why not enjoy the view from SD’s finest ‘hoods! And don’t forget to check out any “rare” listings in “Alvarado Estates” (Crawford attendance area). It’s walking/biking distance to SDSU!

This “calculated” and “strategic” move will enable your child to obtain a “guaranteed admission” to UC schools (race/nationality be damned).

Hoover HS 2010 API: 625

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2010GrowthSch.aspx?allcds=37683383732997

Crawford HS 2010 API: 626

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2010GrowthSch.aspx?allcds=37683380107177

This is the way our “esteemed system” works, Piggs. It’s NOT illegal and it’s NOT cheating to do this! It is a very practical workaround, indeed. From my fairly recent conversations with university dept heads, I believe ALL CSU/UC campuses will be EXTREMELY impacted in the coming years due to budget cuts AND a HUGE population of kids in the “pipeline.” As a consequence, many, many qualified potential incoming students will be denied admission.

Eligibility in the Local Context, commonly referred to as ELC, is met by applicants ranked in the top 4% of their high school class in terms of performance on an 11-unit pattern of UC-approved high school courses. Beginning with fall 2007 applicants, ELC will also require a UC-calculated GPA of at least 3.0. Fully eligible ELC students are guaranteed a spot at one of UC’s undergraduate campuses, though not necessarily at their first-choice campus or even to a campus to which they applied.

(emphasis added)

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California

IMO, many Piggs seem to be sweating over this college admission stuff (even while their kid(s) are still in strollers). All this blood ($$), sweat and tears only makes sense if you KNOW you will have the bucks to send your kid to a private university. Who knows what private universities will cost 15+ years from now??

[bearishgurl]

[quote=equalizer]Don’t forget to move kid in last year of HS to lowest performing school in county, sure way to get into any college.[/quote]

My .02: If your (prior to junior-level) HS kid is excelling in AP/IB classes in a SD County HS with a high API, you may as well sell your (no doubt high MR, high HOA fee) SD North Co mcmansion and move to a coveted Normal Heights or Kensington canyon rim or village lot well in advance of your retirement, Piggs. Why not enjoy the view from SD’s finest ‘hoods! And don’t forget to check out any “rare” listings in “Alvarado Estates” (Crawford attendance area). It’s walking/biking distance to SDSU!

This “calculated” and “strategic” move will enable your child to obtain a “guaranteed admission” to UC schools (race/nationality be damned).

Hoover HS 2010 API: 625

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2010GrowthSch.aspx?allcds=37683383732997

Crawford HS 2010 API: 626

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2010GrowthSch.aspx?allcds=37683380107177

This is the way our “esteemed system” works, Piggs. It’s NOT illegal and it’s NOT cheating to do this! It is a very practical workaround, indeed. From my fairly recent conversations with university dept heads, I believe ALL CSU/UC campuses will be EXTREMELY impacted in the coming years due to budget cuts AND a HUGE population of kids in the “pipeline.” As a consequence, many, many qualified potential incoming students will be denied admission.

Eligibility in the Local Context, commonly referred to as ELC, is met by applicants ranked in the top 4% of their high school class in terms of performance on an 11-unit pattern of UC-approved high school courses. Beginning with fall 2007 applicants, ELC will also require a UC-calculated GPA of at least 3.0. Fully eligible ELC students are guaranteed a spot at one of UC’s undergraduate campuses, though not necessarily at their first-choice campus or even to a campus to which they applied.

(emphasis added)

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California

IMO, many Piggs seem to be sweating over this college admission stuff (even while their kid(s) are still in strollers). All this blood ($$), sweat and tears only makes sense if you KNOW you will have the bucks to send your kid to a private university. Who knows what private universities will cost 15+ years from now??

[bearishgurl]

[quote=equalizer]Don’t forget to move kid in last year of HS to lowest performing school in county, sure way to get into any college.[/quote]

My .02: If your (prior to junior-level) HS kid is excelling in AP/IB classes in a SD County HS with a high API, you may as well sell your (no doubt high MR, high HOA fee) SD North Co mcmansion and move to a coveted Normal Heights or Kensington canyon rim or village lot well in advance of your retirement, Piggs. Why not enjoy the view from SD’s finest ‘hoods! And don’t forget to check out any “rare” listings in “Alvarado Estates” (Crawford attendance area). It’s walking/biking distance to SDSU!

This “calculated” and “strategic” move will enable your child to obtain a “guaranteed admission” to UC schools (race/nationality be damned).

Hoover HS 2010 API: 625

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2010GrowthSch.aspx?allcds=37683383732997

Crawford HS 2010 API: 626

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2010GrowthSch.aspx?allcds=37683380107177

This is the way our “esteemed system” works, Piggs. It’s NOT illegal and it’s NOT cheating to do this! It is a very practical workaround, indeed. From my fairly recent conversations with university dept heads, I believe ALL CSU/UC campuses will be EXTREMELY impacted in the coming years due to budget cuts AND a HUGE population of kids in the “pipeline.” As a consequence, many, many qualified potential incoming students will be denied admission.

Eligibility in the Local Context, commonly referred to as ELC, is met by applicants ranked in the top 4% of their high school class in terms of performance on an 11-unit pattern of UC-approved high school courses. Beginning with fall 2007 applicants, ELC will also require a UC-calculated GPA of at least 3.0. Fully eligible ELC students are guaranteed a spot at one of UC’s undergraduate campuses, though not necessarily at their first-choice campus or even to a campus to which they applied.

(emphasis added)

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California

IMO, many Piggs seem to be sweating over this college admission stuff (even while their kid(s) are still in strollers). All this blood ($$), sweat and tears only makes sense if you KNOW you will have the bucks to send your kid to a private university. Who knows what private universities will cost 15+ years from now??

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