[OT] WSJ: “Why Chinese Mothers are Superior”

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[quote=as]Interview with Amy Chua(2nd video)
http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/201101/news-gb2312-1254773.html

Hope you guys can open this website.[/quote]

In the end, she is getting the last laugh, huh. Who cares about the controversy and criticism. Just buy the book and give her money so she can buy those material things that matter 😉

[briansd1]

Good interview with Amy Chua on capitalism and democracy. She’s a very smart, discerning lady.

In her book, World on Fire, she deals about the time bombs in the developing world, but doesn’t talk about America. Of course, her interview is from 2004 well before the 2008 economic crisis.

America is more ethnically diverse, but the well-educated globalized class (which Ms Chua clearly belongs to) is becoming dominant in USA whereas the insular population is stagnating and falling behind.

Globalization is creating an “America for Americans” movement that the Tea Party is harnessing. That’s the dangerous time-bomb we are facing here.

Thankfully, the dream/myth of upward mobility in America is keeping a lid on unrest. Let’s hope that we can restore economic growth to keep the dream going.

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Another Amy Chua article:

[briansd1]

Good interview with Amy Chua on capitalism and democracy. She’s a very smart, discerning lady.

In her book, World on Fire, she deals about the time bombs in the developing world, but doesn’t talk about America. Of course, her interview is from 2004 well before the 2008 economic crisis.

America is more ethnically diverse, but the well-educated globalized class (which Ms Chua clearly belongs to) is becoming dominant in USA whereas the insular population is stagnating and falling behind.

Globalization is creating an “America for Americans” movement that the Tea Party is harnessing. That’s the dangerous time-bomb we are facing here.

Thankfully, the dream/myth of upward mobility in America is keeping a lid on unrest. Let’s hope that we can restore economic growth to keep the dream going.

*

Another Amy Chua article:

[briansd1]

Good interview with Amy Chua on capitalism and democracy. She’s a very smart, discerning lady.

In her book, World on Fire, she deals about the time bombs in the developing world, but doesn’t talk about America. Of course, her interview is from 2004 well before the 2008 economic crisis.

America is more ethnically diverse, but the well-educated globalized class (which Ms Chua clearly belongs to) is becoming dominant in USA whereas the insular population is stagnating and falling behind.

Globalization is creating an “America for Americans” movement that the Tea Party is harnessing. That’s the dangerous time-bomb we are facing here.

Thankfully, the dream/myth of upward mobility in America is keeping a lid on unrest. Let’s hope that we can restore economic growth to keep the dream going.

*

Another Amy Chua article:

[briansd1]

Good interview with Amy Chua on capitalism and democracy. She’s a very smart, discerning lady.

In her book, World on Fire, she deals about the time bombs in the developing world, but doesn’t talk about America. Of course, her interview is from 2004 well before the 2008 economic crisis.

America is more ethnically diverse, but the well-educated globalized class (which Ms Chua clearly belongs to) is becoming dominant in USA whereas the insular population is stagnating and falling behind.

Globalization is creating an “America for Americans” movement that the Tea Party is harnessing. That’s the dangerous time-bomb we are facing here.

Thankfully, the dream/myth of upward mobility in America is keeping a lid on unrest. Let’s hope that we can restore economic growth to keep the dream going.

*

Another Amy Chua article:

[briansd1]

Good interview with Amy Chua on capitalism and democracy. She’s a very smart, discerning lady.

In her book, World on Fire, she deals about the time bombs in the developing world, but doesn’t talk about America. Of course, her interview is from 2004 well before the 2008 economic crisis.

America is more ethnically diverse, but the well-educated globalized class (which Ms Chua clearly belongs to) is becoming dominant in USA whereas the insular population is stagnating and falling behind.

Globalization is creating an “America for Americans” movement that the Tea Party is harnessing. That’s the dangerous time-bomb we are facing here.

Thankfully, the dream/myth of upward mobility in America is keeping a lid on unrest. Let’s hope that we can restore economic growth to keep the dream going.

*

Another Amy Chua article:

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]Thank you, KIBU. I don’t understand any parent that would push kids to such extremes. While the article describes the Asian mother pushing her daughters in studies and the piano, I see similar incidences w/Americans and sports. There are plenty of dads (even some moms) that push their kids to play football or baseball or soccer. Sometimes the kids don’t want to do it.

The kids either have an innate talent and desire to do it or they don’t. Some are gifted and some aren’t. Pushing them into doing it doesn’t always mean they’ll be a star. They could just suck and end up resenting the parent. I mean if the kid says, “I love playing baseball” (or whatever) certainly give him (or her) all the support. Win-win. But pushing the kid to do it doesn’t seem like the ideal situation.

Maybe Lulu wasn’t meant to play the piano. Maybe she has the voice of an opera star and the mom is too focused on the piano to even notice the kid’s voice. It might be in everyone’s interest to find out what the kid actually is naturally good at and encourage him to thrive.

Example. Jackie Evancho. The girl has a gift. She loves to sing. The parents supported her. Win-win. An Asian mother might not realize other talents the child may possess b/c it’s not a violin or piano. Doesn’t strike me as success. I think it’s a shame.

I understand all parents want their kids to succeed. I just think if you want to really do that, take the time to find out what the kid likes to do. Sometimes the kid might not even know. Then help the child discover things, expose them to a variety of things, see what sticks. Steering them in a certain direction is one thing. Forcing them is another. JMO.

To me it would be wrong if a parent always wanted to play the violin and was not any good, to then push the kid to do it. Same thing w/regard to forcing them to play an instrument b/c that’s *the* status instrument to play. You can learn discipline practicing any instrument, not just the violin or piano.[/quote]

I would agree to some extent, but I think one angle to look at is also kids in america these days have an astonishing sense of entitlement. Sometimes early pushing is needed to get them off their butts. I think people have things way to easy these days. And it’s getting harder and harder to find people with decent work ethics imho.

And frankly, I find it even more annoying that some parents talk and talk about how “talented” their kid is or how “smart” their kid is, and when in reality their kid has no talent and is a complete idiot….Almost like working in corporate america…

In corporate america, you have some people who will doing 10 things and say 1 thing about it…Then you have a bunch of people who will doing 1/2 of a thing and say 10 things about it… I hate those bullshit “talker” types…That, is fundamentally why I think big companies like (sorry) Motorola went down…Too many people talking, and not many people doing….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]Thank you, KIBU. I don’t understand any parent that would push kids to such extremes. While the article describes the Asian mother pushing her daughters in studies and the piano, I see similar incidences w/Americans and sports. There are plenty of dads (even some moms) that push their kids to play football or baseball or soccer. Sometimes the kids don’t want to do it.

The kids either have an innate talent and desire to do it or they don’t. Some are gifted and some aren’t. Pushing them into doing it doesn’t always mean they’ll be a star. They could just suck and end up resenting the parent. I mean if the kid says, “I love playing baseball” (or whatever) certainly give him (or her) all the support. Win-win. But pushing the kid to do it doesn’t seem like the ideal situation.

Maybe Lulu wasn’t meant to play the piano. Maybe she has the voice of an opera star and the mom is too focused on the piano to even notice the kid’s voice. It might be in everyone’s interest to find out what the kid actually is naturally good at and encourage him to thrive.

Example. Jackie Evancho. The girl has a gift. She loves to sing. The parents supported her. Win-win. An Asian mother might not realize other talents the child may possess b/c it’s not a violin or piano. Doesn’t strike me as success. I think it’s a shame.

I understand all parents want their kids to succeed. I just think if you want to really do that, take the time to find out what the kid likes to do. Sometimes the kid might not even know. Then help the child discover things, expose them to a variety of things, see what sticks. Steering them in a certain direction is one thing. Forcing them is another. JMO.

To me it would be wrong if a parent always wanted to play the violin and was not any good, to then push the kid to do it. Same thing w/regard to forcing them to play an instrument b/c that’s *the* status instrument to play. You can learn discipline practicing any instrument, not just the violin or piano.[/quote]

I would agree to some extent, but I think one angle to look at is also kids in america these days have an astonishing sense of entitlement. Sometimes early pushing is needed to get them off their butts. I think people have things way to easy these days. And it’s getting harder and harder to find people with decent work ethics imho.

And frankly, I find it even more annoying that some parents talk and talk about how “talented” their kid is or how “smart” their kid is, and when in reality their kid has no talent and is a complete idiot….Almost like working in corporate america…

In corporate america, you have some people who will doing 10 things and say 1 thing about it…Then you have a bunch of people who will doing 1/2 of a thing and say 10 things about it… I hate those bullshit “talker” types…That, is fundamentally why I think big companies like (sorry) Motorola went down…Too many people talking, and not many people doing….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]Thank you, KIBU. I don’t understand any parent that would push kids to such extremes. While the article describes the Asian mother pushing her daughters in studies and the piano, I see similar incidences w/Americans and sports. There are plenty of dads (even some moms) that push their kids to play football or baseball or soccer. Sometimes the kids don’t want to do it.

The kids either have an innate talent and desire to do it or they don’t. Some are gifted and some aren’t. Pushing them into doing it doesn’t always mean they’ll be a star. They could just suck and end up resenting the parent. I mean if the kid says, “I love playing baseball” (or whatever) certainly give him (or her) all the support. Win-win. But pushing the kid to do it doesn’t seem like the ideal situation.

Maybe Lulu wasn’t meant to play the piano. Maybe she has the voice of an opera star and the mom is too focused on the piano to even notice the kid’s voice. It might be in everyone’s interest to find out what the kid actually is naturally good at and encourage him to thrive.

Example. Jackie Evancho. The girl has a gift. She loves to sing. The parents supported her. Win-win. An Asian mother might not realize other talents the child may possess b/c it’s not a violin or piano. Doesn’t strike me as success. I think it’s a shame.

I understand all parents want their kids to succeed. I just think if you want to really do that, take the time to find out what the kid likes to do. Sometimes the kid might not even know. Then help the child discover things, expose them to a variety of things, see what sticks. Steering them in a certain direction is one thing. Forcing them is another. JMO.

To me it would be wrong if a parent always wanted to play the violin and was not any good, to then push the kid to do it. Same thing w/regard to forcing them to play an instrument b/c that’s *the* status instrument to play. You can learn discipline practicing any instrument, not just the violin or piano.[/quote]

I would agree to some extent, but I think one angle to look at is also kids in america these days have an astonishing sense of entitlement. Sometimes early pushing is needed to get them off their butts. I think people have things way to easy these days. And it’s getting harder and harder to find people with decent work ethics imho.

And frankly, I find it even more annoying that some parents talk and talk about how “talented” their kid is or how “smart” their kid is, and when in reality their kid has no talent and is a complete idiot….Almost like working in corporate america…

In corporate america, you have some people who will doing 10 things and say 1 thing about it…Then you have a bunch of people who will doing 1/2 of a thing and say 10 things about it… I hate those bullshit “talker” types…That, is fundamentally why I think big companies like (sorry) Motorola went down…Too many people talking, and not many people doing….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]Thank you, KIBU. I don’t understand any parent that would push kids to such extremes. While the article describes the Asian mother pushing her daughters in studies and the piano, I see similar incidences w/Americans and sports. There are plenty of dads (even some moms) that push their kids to play football or baseball or soccer. Sometimes the kids don’t want to do it.

The kids either have an innate talent and desire to do it or they don’t. Some are gifted and some aren’t. Pushing them into doing it doesn’t always mean they’ll be a star. They could just suck and end up resenting the parent. I mean if the kid says, “I love playing baseball” (or whatever) certainly give him (or her) all the support. Win-win. But pushing the kid to do it doesn’t seem like the ideal situation.

Maybe Lulu wasn’t meant to play the piano. Maybe she has the voice of an opera star and the mom is too focused on the piano to even notice the kid’s voice. It might be in everyone’s interest to find out what the kid actually is naturally good at and encourage him to thrive.

Example. Jackie Evancho. The girl has a gift. She loves to sing. The parents supported her. Win-win. An Asian mother might not realize other talents the child may possess b/c it’s not a violin or piano. Doesn’t strike me as success. I think it’s a shame.

I understand all parents want their kids to succeed. I just think if you want to really do that, take the time to find out what the kid likes to do. Sometimes the kid might not even know. Then help the child discover things, expose them to a variety of things, see what sticks. Steering them in a certain direction is one thing. Forcing them is another. JMO.

To me it would be wrong if a parent always wanted to play the violin and was not any good, to then push the kid to do it. Same thing w/regard to forcing them to play an instrument b/c that’s *the* status instrument to play. You can learn discipline practicing any instrument, not just the violin or piano.[/quote]

I would agree to some extent, but I think one angle to look at is also kids in america these days have an astonishing sense of entitlement. Sometimes early pushing is needed to get them off their butts. I think people have things way to easy these days. And it’s getting harder and harder to find people with decent work ethics imho.

And frankly, I find it even more annoying that some parents talk and talk about how “talented” their kid is or how “smart” their kid is, and when in reality their kid has no talent and is a complete idiot….Almost like working in corporate america…

In corporate america, you have some people who will doing 10 things and say 1 thing about it…Then you have a bunch of people who will doing 1/2 of a thing and say 10 things about it… I hate those bullshit “talker” types…That, is fundamentally why I think big companies like (sorry) Motorola went down…Too many people talking, and not many people doing….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]Thank you, KIBU. I don’t understand any parent that would push kids to such extremes. While the article describes the Asian mother pushing her daughters in studies and the piano, I see similar incidences w/Americans and sports. There are plenty of dads (even some moms) that push their kids to play football or baseball or soccer. Sometimes the kids don’t want to do it.

The kids either have an innate talent and desire to do it or they don’t. Some are gifted and some aren’t. Pushing them into doing it doesn’t always mean they’ll be a star. They could just suck and end up resenting the parent. I mean if the kid says, “I love playing baseball” (or whatever) certainly give him (or her) all the support. Win-win. But pushing the kid to do it doesn’t seem like the ideal situation.

Maybe Lulu wasn’t meant to play the piano. Maybe she has the voice of an opera star and the mom is too focused on the piano to even notice the kid’s voice. It might be in everyone’s interest to find out what the kid actually is naturally good at and encourage him to thrive.

Example. Jackie Evancho. The girl has a gift. She loves to sing. The parents supported her. Win-win. An Asian mother might not realize other talents the child may possess b/c it’s not a violin or piano. Doesn’t strike me as success. I think it’s a shame.

I understand all parents want their kids to succeed. I just think if you want to really do that, take the time to find out what the kid likes to do. Sometimes the kid might not even know. Then help the child discover things, expose them to a variety of things, see what sticks. Steering them in a certain direction is one thing. Forcing them is another. JMO.

To me it would be wrong if a parent always wanted to play the violin and was not any good, to then push the kid to do it. Same thing w/regard to forcing them to play an instrument b/c that’s *the* status instrument to play. You can learn discipline practicing any instrument, not just the violin or piano.[/quote]

I would agree to some extent, but I think one angle to look at is also kids in america these days have an astonishing sense of entitlement. Sometimes early pushing is needed to get them off their butts. I think people have things way to easy these days. And it’s getting harder and harder to find people with decent work ethics imho.

And frankly, I find it even more annoying that some parents talk and talk about how “talented” their kid is or how “smart” their kid is, and when in reality their kid has no talent and is a complete idiot….Almost like working in corporate america…

In corporate america, you have some people who will doing 10 things and say 1 thing about it…Then you have a bunch of people who will doing 1/2 of a thing and say 10 things about it… I hate those bullshit “talker” types…That, is fundamentally why I think big companies like (sorry) Motorola went down…Too many people talking, and not many people doing….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=as]Interview with Amy Chua(2nd video)
http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/201101/news-gb2312-1254773.html

Hope you guys can open this website.[/quote]

In the end, she is getting the last laugh, huh. Who cares about the controversy and criticism. Just buy the book and give her money so she can buy those material things that matter ;)[/quote]

Well, you have to admit…She adopted the american way in this regard in selling/marketing a product of nothing…
Let’s face it. America is one big free-enterprise in which the goal is to sell useless crap to as many sheep as possible who are willing to buy those things on credit…

One of those self-help things that americans love to suck up. No different than Tony Robbins, Guy K, Donald Trump’s “wealth seminars”,etc….Americans are suckers for self-help/get rich quick “education”…

Which brings me to my original point…What ever happened to good old fashion work ethics and patience? Yup, that’s right. No want wants to do that. Everyone is in denial… And everyone is in denial….Almost like, well frankly, the thought process that even some piggs here have “how could anyone afford XYZ home or ABC thing”?

Personally, while I probably wouldn’t do the same exact thing to my own kid, I can’t deny that parents that successfully pull this off probably have pretty decent results for their kid’s future.. Asians are inherently competitive. It’s partly of a cultural thing, and partly because of the environment most were brought up in, mainly because good public education is rationed..And wealth is probably obtainable through select means…So a lot of this mentality comes from this inherent competiveness. I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. And frankly the only thing I think that is completely wrong, is affirmative action and asian quotas into college admissions, which you cannot deny does not exist. It’s complete b.s. to give privileges based on ethnicity. And it’s complete b.s. that say some hypothetical minority living in RSF or LJ has more social hinderances than some poor white or asian kid living in some ghetto community.

But hey, I’m going to get around this…Before my kid is a freshman in high schoool, I’m going to temporarily change her last name to something like “Smith” or “Ramirez” and not check the ethnicity box… Hey, perfectly legal to change one’s last name, and if the admissions board classifies her mistakenly, that’s not exactly my fault is it? Yes, it might sound ridiculous…But that’s just how ridiculous some of our social policies are….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=as]Interview with Amy Chua(2nd video)
http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/201101/news-gb2312-1254773.html

Hope you guys can open this website.[/quote]

In the end, she is getting the last laugh, huh. Who cares about the controversy and criticism. Just buy the book and give her money so she can buy those material things that matter ;)[/quote]

Well, you have to admit…She adopted the american way in this regard in selling/marketing a product of nothing…
Let’s face it. America is one big free-enterprise in which the goal is to sell useless crap to as many sheep as possible who are willing to buy those things on credit…

One of those self-help things that americans love to suck up. No different than Tony Robbins, Guy K, Donald Trump’s “wealth seminars”,etc….Americans are suckers for self-help/get rich quick “education”…

Which brings me to my original point…What ever happened to good old fashion work ethics and patience? Yup, that’s right. No want wants to do that. Everyone is in denial… And everyone is in denial….Almost like, well frankly, the thought process that even some piggs here have “how could anyone afford XYZ home or ABC thing”?

Personally, while I probably wouldn’t do the same exact thing to my own kid, I can’t deny that parents that successfully pull this off probably have pretty decent results for their kid’s future.. Asians are inherently competitive. It’s partly of a cultural thing, and partly because of the environment most were brought up in, mainly because good public education is rationed..And wealth is probably obtainable through select means…So a lot of this mentality comes from this inherent competiveness. I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. And frankly the only thing I think that is completely wrong, is affirmative action and asian quotas into college admissions, which you cannot deny does not exist. It’s complete b.s. to give privileges based on ethnicity. And it’s complete b.s. that say some hypothetical minority living in RSF or LJ has more social hinderances than some poor white or asian kid living in some ghetto community.

But hey, I’m going to get around this…Before my kid is a freshman in high schoool, I’m going to temporarily change her last name to something like “Smith” or “Ramirez” and not check the ethnicity box… Hey, perfectly legal to change one’s last name, and if the admissions board classifies her mistakenly, that’s not exactly my fault is it? Yes, it might sound ridiculous…But that’s just how ridiculous some of our social policies are….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=as]Interview with Amy Chua(2nd video)
http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/201101/news-gb2312-1254773.html

Hope you guys can open this website.[/quote]

In the end, she is getting the last laugh, huh. Who cares about the controversy and criticism. Just buy the book and give her money so she can buy those material things that matter ;)[/quote]

Well, you have to admit…She adopted the american way in this regard in selling/marketing a product of nothing…
Let’s face it. America is one big free-enterprise in which the goal is to sell useless crap to as many sheep as possible who are willing to buy those things on credit…

One of those self-help things that americans love to suck up. No different than Tony Robbins, Guy K, Donald Trump’s “wealth seminars”,etc….Americans are suckers for self-help/get rich quick “education”…

Which brings me to my original point…What ever happened to good old fashion work ethics and patience? Yup, that’s right. No want wants to do that. Everyone is in denial… And everyone is in denial….Almost like, well frankly, the thought process that even some piggs here have “how could anyone afford XYZ home or ABC thing”?

Personally, while I probably wouldn’t do the same exact thing to my own kid, I can’t deny that parents that successfully pull this off probably have pretty decent results for their kid’s future.. Asians are inherently competitive. It’s partly of a cultural thing, and partly because of the environment most were brought up in, mainly because good public education is rationed..And wealth is probably obtainable through select means…So a lot of this mentality comes from this inherent competiveness. I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. And frankly the only thing I think that is completely wrong, is affirmative action and asian quotas into college admissions, which you cannot deny does not exist. It’s complete b.s. to give privileges based on ethnicity. And it’s complete b.s. that say some hypothetical minority living in RSF or LJ has more social hinderances than some poor white or asian kid living in some ghetto community.

But hey, I’m going to get around this…Before my kid is a freshman in high schoool, I’m going to temporarily change her last name to something like “Smith” or “Ramirez” and not check the ethnicity box… Hey, perfectly legal to change one’s last name, and if the admissions board classifies her mistakenly, that’s not exactly my fault is it? Yes, it might sound ridiculous…But that’s just how ridiculous some of our social policies are….

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=as]Interview with Amy Chua(2nd video)
http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/201101/news-gb2312-1254773.html

Hope you guys can open this website.[/quote]

In the end, she is getting the last laugh, huh. Who cares about the controversy and criticism. Just buy the book and give her money so she can buy those material things that matter ;)[/quote]

Well, you have to admit…She adopted the american way in this regard in selling/marketing a product of nothing…
Let’s face it. America is one big free-enterprise in which the goal is to sell useless crap to as many sheep as possible who are willing to buy those things on credit…

One of those self-help things that americans love to suck up. No different than Tony Robbins, Guy K, Donald Trump’s “wealth seminars”,etc….Americans are suckers for self-help/get rich quick “education”…

Which brings me to my original point…What ever happened to good old fashion work ethics and patience? Yup, that’s right. No want wants to do that. Everyone is in denial… And everyone is in denial….Almost like, well frankly, the thought process that even some piggs here have “how could anyone afford XYZ home or ABC thing”?

Personally, while I probably wouldn’t do the same exact thing to my own kid, I can’t deny that parents that successfully pull this off probably have pretty decent results for their kid’s future.. Asians are inherently competitive. It’s partly of a cultural thing, and partly because of the environment most were brought up in, mainly because good public education is rationed..And wealth is probably obtainable through select means…So a lot of this mentality comes from this inherent competiveness. I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. And frankly the only thing I think that is completely wrong, is affirmative action and asian quotas into college admissions, which you cannot deny does not exist. It’s complete b.s. to give privileges based on ethnicity. And it’s complete b.s. that say some hypothetical minority living in RSF or LJ has more social hinderances than some poor white or asian kid living in some ghetto community.

But hey, I’m going to get around this…Before my kid is a freshman in high schoool, I’m going to temporarily change her last name to something like “Smith” or “Ramirez” and not check the ethnicity box… Hey, perfectly legal to change one’s last name, and if the admissions board classifies her mistakenly, that’s not exactly my fault is it? Yes, it might sound ridiculous…But that’s just how ridiculous some of our social policies are….

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