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January 14, 2011 at 3:15 PM #654987January 14, 2011 at 3:26 PM #653879
CoronitaParticipant[quote=Stradivarius][quote-flu] Have you considered cornea reshaping? I know of a few folks that had good results with them. I think it’s called Orthokeratology or something like that. [/quote]
Sorry, forgot to mention that I am optometrist, so I have all this stuff at my disposal, usually at little to no cost. I fit ortho K lenses (aka CRT- Corneal Refractive Therapy) up to around -4.00. The higher the prescription, the more flattening of the cornea is necessary and it gets beat up a bit. So my -9.00 and -7.75 eyes probably wouldn’t like it. I have a a lot of kids in ortho K because some studies say that it slows down the progression of nearsightedness. Hong Kong Polytechnic University is currently conducting another study.
I really don’t bother doing anything different because I don’t have problems wearing soft contact lenses (of course I fit myself with the best ones). I hiked 24 miles through the grand canyon, was awake for 19 hours, and didn’t have any ocular symptoms. I even saw other people on our trail switch to glasses around mile 18.
The other thing is, I like being myopic. I can stream netflix on my iphone at 12.9cm (5in) away from my face. I can remove ANY splinter. I can see the print on a medicine bottle with very little light. And will probably still be able to do so when I’m 85 years old and have macular degeneration. It’s sort of comforting.
Believe me, having been offered free refractive surgery, I’ve thought about all of my risks and benefits, and am happy with my current modality. In 7 years when I turn 40 and start needing reading glasses, I may change my mind. And then there will be all kinds of new technology that my reps from Gordon-Weiss and NVision will certainly brag about.[/quote]
So you’re an optometrist? I’m glad I added a disclaimer about my non-doctorish making a suggestion. Though I had a feeling it would end up this way…Sorry about that…
Once upon a time, I considered refactive surgery, but my vision isn’t so bad in my good eye (20/70 ish), and although the risks of complications are low these days, I didn’t want to take a chance in case something did go wrong, because then I wouldn’t be able to see well anymore, since my other eye has congential cataract in the other….
January 14, 2011 at 3:26 PM #653947CoronitaParticipant[quote=Stradivarius][quote-flu] Have you considered cornea reshaping? I know of a few folks that had good results with them. I think it’s called Orthokeratology or something like that. [/quote]
Sorry, forgot to mention that I am optometrist, so I have all this stuff at my disposal, usually at little to no cost. I fit ortho K lenses (aka CRT- Corneal Refractive Therapy) up to around -4.00. The higher the prescription, the more flattening of the cornea is necessary and it gets beat up a bit. So my -9.00 and -7.75 eyes probably wouldn’t like it. I have a a lot of kids in ortho K because some studies say that it slows down the progression of nearsightedness. Hong Kong Polytechnic University is currently conducting another study.
I really don’t bother doing anything different because I don’t have problems wearing soft contact lenses (of course I fit myself with the best ones). I hiked 24 miles through the grand canyon, was awake for 19 hours, and didn’t have any ocular symptoms. I even saw other people on our trail switch to glasses around mile 18.
The other thing is, I like being myopic. I can stream netflix on my iphone at 12.9cm (5in) away from my face. I can remove ANY splinter. I can see the print on a medicine bottle with very little light. And will probably still be able to do so when I’m 85 years old and have macular degeneration. It’s sort of comforting.
Believe me, having been offered free refractive surgery, I’ve thought about all of my risks and benefits, and am happy with my current modality. In 7 years when I turn 40 and start needing reading glasses, I may change my mind. And then there will be all kinds of new technology that my reps from Gordon-Weiss and NVision will certainly brag about.[/quote]
So you’re an optometrist? I’m glad I added a disclaimer about my non-doctorish making a suggestion. Though I had a feeling it would end up this way…Sorry about that…
Once upon a time, I considered refactive surgery, but my vision isn’t so bad in my good eye (20/70 ish), and although the risks of complications are low these days, I didn’t want to take a chance in case something did go wrong, because then I wouldn’t be able to see well anymore, since my other eye has congential cataract in the other….
January 14, 2011 at 3:26 PM #654532CoronitaParticipant[quote=Stradivarius][quote-flu] Have you considered cornea reshaping? I know of a few folks that had good results with them. I think it’s called Orthokeratology or something like that. [/quote]
Sorry, forgot to mention that I am optometrist, so I have all this stuff at my disposal, usually at little to no cost. I fit ortho K lenses (aka CRT- Corneal Refractive Therapy) up to around -4.00. The higher the prescription, the more flattening of the cornea is necessary and it gets beat up a bit. So my -9.00 and -7.75 eyes probably wouldn’t like it. I have a a lot of kids in ortho K because some studies say that it slows down the progression of nearsightedness. Hong Kong Polytechnic University is currently conducting another study.
I really don’t bother doing anything different because I don’t have problems wearing soft contact lenses (of course I fit myself with the best ones). I hiked 24 miles through the grand canyon, was awake for 19 hours, and didn’t have any ocular symptoms. I even saw other people on our trail switch to glasses around mile 18.
The other thing is, I like being myopic. I can stream netflix on my iphone at 12.9cm (5in) away from my face. I can remove ANY splinter. I can see the print on a medicine bottle with very little light. And will probably still be able to do so when I’m 85 years old and have macular degeneration. It’s sort of comforting.
Believe me, having been offered free refractive surgery, I’ve thought about all of my risks and benefits, and am happy with my current modality. In 7 years when I turn 40 and start needing reading glasses, I may change my mind. And then there will be all kinds of new technology that my reps from Gordon-Weiss and NVision will certainly brag about.[/quote]
So you’re an optometrist? I’m glad I added a disclaimer about my non-doctorish making a suggestion. Though I had a feeling it would end up this way…Sorry about that…
Once upon a time, I considered refactive surgery, but my vision isn’t so bad in my good eye (20/70 ish), and although the risks of complications are low these days, I didn’t want to take a chance in case something did go wrong, because then I wouldn’t be able to see well anymore, since my other eye has congential cataract in the other….
January 14, 2011 at 3:26 PM #654669CoronitaParticipant[quote=Stradivarius][quote-flu] Have you considered cornea reshaping? I know of a few folks that had good results with them. I think it’s called Orthokeratology or something like that. [/quote]
Sorry, forgot to mention that I am optometrist, so I have all this stuff at my disposal, usually at little to no cost. I fit ortho K lenses (aka CRT- Corneal Refractive Therapy) up to around -4.00. The higher the prescription, the more flattening of the cornea is necessary and it gets beat up a bit. So my -9.00 and -7.75 eyes probably wouldn’t like it. I have a a lot of kids in ortho K because some studies say that it slows down the progression of nearsightedness. Hong Kong Polytechnic University is currently conducting another study.
I really don’t bother doing anything different because I don’t have problems wearing soft contact lenses (of course I fit myself with the best ones). I hiked 24 miles through the grand canyon, was awake for 19 hours, and didn’t have any ocular symptoms. I even saw other people on our trail switch to glasses around mile 18.
The other thing is, I like being myopic. I can stream netflix on my iphone at 12.9cm (5in) away from my face. I can remove ANY splinter. I can see the print on a medicine bottle with very little light. And will probably still be able to do so when I’m 85 years old and have macular degeneration. It’s sort of comforting.
Believe me, having been offered free refractive surgery, I’ve thought about all of my risks and benefits, and am happy with my current modality. In 7 years when I turn 40 and start needing reading glasses, I may change my mind. And then there will be all kinds of new technology that my reps from Gordon-Weiss and NVision will certainly brag about.[/quote]
So you’re an optometrist? I’m glad I added a disclaimer about my non-doctorish making a suggestion. Though I had a feeling it would end up this way…Sorry about that…
Once upon a time, I considered refactive surgery, but my vision isn’t so bad in my good eye (20/70 ish), and although the risks of complications are low these days, I didn’t want to take a chance in case something did go wrong, because then I wouldn’t be able to see well anymore, since my other eye has congential cataract in the other….
January 14, 2011 at 3:26 PM #654997CoronitaParticipant[quote=Stradivarius][quote-flu] Have you considered cornea reshaping? I know of a few folks that had good results with them. I think it’s called Orthokeratology or something like that. [/quote]
Sorry, forgot to mention that I am optometrist, so I have all this stuff at my disposal, usually at little to no cost. I fit ortho K lenses (aka CRT- Corneal Refractive Therapy) up to around -4.00. The higher the prescription, the more flattening of the cornea is necessary and it gets beat up a bit. So my -9.00 and -7.75 eyes probably wouldn’t like it. I have a a lot of kids in ortho K because some studies say that it slows down the progression of nearsightedness. Hong Kong Polytechnic University is currently conducting another study.
I really don’t bother doing anything different because I don’t have problems wearing soft contact lenses (of course I fit myself with the best ones). I hiked 24 miles through the grand canyon, was awake for 19 hours, and didn’t have any ocular symptoms. I even saw other people on our trail switch to glasses around mile 18.
The other thing is, I like being myopic. I can stream netflix on my iphone at 12.9cm (5in) away from my face. I can remove ANY splinter. I can see the print on a medicine bottle with very little light. And will probably still be able to do so when I’m 85 years old and have macular degeneration. It’s sort of comforting.
Believe me, having been offered free refractive surgery, I’ve thought about all of my risks and benefits, and am happy with my current modality. In 7 years when I turn 40 and start needing reading glasses, I may change my mind. And then there will be all kinds of new technology that my reps from Gordon-Weiss and NVision will certainly brag about.[/quote]
So you’re an optometrist? I’m glad I added a disclaimer about my non-doctorish making a suggestion. Though I had a feeling it would end up this way…Sorry about that…
Once upon a time, I considered refactive surgery, but my vision isn’t so bad in my good eye (20/70 ish), and although the risks of complications are low these days, I didn’t want to take a chance in case something did go wrong, because then I wouldn’t be able to see well anymore, since my other eye has congential cataract in the other….
January 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM #653884CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=flu]i disagree. Sorry BG, but It would have to be some exceptional reason for me to buy a preowned european car (like I knew the exact history of it, which I came almost to doing a few months ago). Particularly a high end, fully loaded with electronics thats more than 2 years old. Too many things and too many unknowns. Buying a high end 1-2 year preowned high end car, I wouldn’t really be “saving” that much relative to the entire purchase price. It’s not like 1-2 year old car will get me 50% off… For example. Let’s figure one wants to spend $100k on a S550. I seriously doubt one would consider saving $20k 1-2 year oldpreowned. If you can afford to be in a $100k car, you aren’t going to be worried about saving $20k for a preowned, you’re not going to be shelling out $80k either.
In any cases, most of these higher end cars are not purchased out right in cash anyway. Most are leased since in 3-4 years, people can ditch them for the latest and greatest…[/quote]
flu, from my friends’ experiences in buying pre-owned used luxury vehicles, I have been told that the “certified-used” dealer premium can often be $3K to $10K (or more) over a private-party sale and is “pure profit” to dealers. One only has to compare the trade-in and private party values on kbb.com for a specific year/make/model to verify this.
If the “electronics” you are speaking of here are maps and TVs/DVDs, then I feel those “add-ons” are kind of superfluous. I have a “library” of paper atlases and road maps, even “specialty” plastic-coated maps for lakes and rivers, that I load my car up with prior to embarking on a road trip. I usually know in my head how to get to a certain destination, having driven there so many times, so just pull off the road and look at a map only if I need to. I think I’d be too distracted by a screen in the dash. Last night, as I was getting gas, the SUV in the bay next to me had Sponge Bob playing in a screen on the dash. I thought TVs were supposed to be facing the back seat(s). I think it’s unsafe to have a video screen facing the driver. But that’s just me. I’ve driven clear across the country and back sitting on vinyl seats with beach towels over them and non-tinted windows (rolled down/no AC) in 100-deg heat more than once :=][/quote]
BG, every late model high end car is fully electronic these days. In fact, most BMW’s high end or not is fully electronic.
1. Automatic transmission is fully electronically controlled now with a joystick like gismo.
2. Parking brake is set and unset via a button push/pull and fully electonic. In fact, if you’re battery is out, you have special procedures to release the parking brake in case you need to have it towed…..
3. The instrument cluster is mostly electronic. In higher end Mercedes S classes, the gauge is an LCD screen basically.
4. Climate control is now integrated into a central computer.
5. Most throttle is electronic, and there is talk about the steer column being replaced by electronics.
6. Even if you don’t opt for navigation, chances are a basic radio, and other things like lights/dimmers/etc are also controlled electronically these days.
7. Your engine is definitely managed via software and hardware these days. Or in the case of toyota, not managed at all 🙂
This is the the sort of gizmo to deal with these days just to drive.
[img_assist|nid=14477|title=idrive_sucks|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=300]
1. To set the parking brake, pull the P button on the console.
2. Push the P button to release the parking brake. But make sure your foot is on the brake pedal, otherwise it won’t let you.
3. To shift into D, on the joystick, press the left button and pull down the joystick, with the foot on the brake.
4. To shift into R, press the left button and push up joystick, with the foot on the brake.
5. To put the car in park, push the “P” button on top of the joystick with the foot on the brake.
6. If you are lazy, and don’t want to keep your foot on the brake while on a red light, push the “park-brake-hold” button next to the parking brake button. It will automatically set the parking brake for you when you come to a stop and release it when you hit the gas.
7. Don’t forget to turn off your lights, or none of this works if your battery is dead…Kinda like playing an arcade….
It’s just getting almost harder and harder to buy a mechanical car these days.
And IF I were to buy a preowned luxury and splurg a lot for it, I definitely would NOT go for a private party sale, since I would want to make sure it definitely came with some warranty of some sort, because if these things go out. They don’t “fix” a particular part. The replace an entire board or something like that.
January 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM #653952CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=flu]i disagree. Sorry BG, but It would have to be some exceptional reason for me to buy a preowned european car (like I knew the exact history of it, which I came almost to doing a few months ago). Particularly a high end, fully loaded with electronics thats more than 2 years old. Too many things and too many unknowns. Buying a high end 1-2 year preowned high end car, I wouldn’t really be “saving” that much relative to the entire purchase price. It’s not like 1-2 year old car will get me 50% off… For example. Let’s figure one wants to spend $100k on a S550. I seriously doubt one would consider saving $20k 1-2 year oldpreowned. If you can afford to be in a $100k car, you aren’t going to be worried about saving $20k for a preowned, you’re not going to be shelling out $80k either.
In any cases, most of these higher end cars are not purchased out right in cash anyway. Most are leased since in 3-4 years, people can ditch them for the latest and greatest…[/quote]
flu, from my friends’ experiences in buying pre-owned used luxury vehicles, I have been told that the “certified-used” dealer premium can often be $3K to $10K (or more) over a private-party sale and is “pure profit” to dealers. One only has to compare the trade-in and private party values on kbb.com for a specific year/make/model to verify this.
If the “electronics” you are speaking of here are maps and TVs/DVDs, then I feel those “add-ons” are kind of superfluous. I have a “library” of paper atlases and road maps, even “specialty” plastic-coated maps for lakes and rivers, that I load my car up with prior to embarking on a road trip. I usually know in my head how to get to a certain destination, having driven there so many times, so just pull off the road and look at a map only if I need to. I think I’d be too distracted by a screen in the dash. Last night, as I was getting gas, the SUV in the bay next to me had Sponge Bob playing in a screen on the dash. I thought TVs were supposed to be facing the back seat(s). I think it’s unsafe to have a video screen facing the driver. But that’s just me. I’ve driven clear across the country and back sitting on vinyl seats with beach towels over them and non-tinted windows (rolled down/no AC) in 100-deg heat more than once :=][/quote]
BG, every late model high end car is fully electronic these days. In fact, most BMW’s high end or not is fully electronic.
1. Automatic transmission is fully electronically controlled now with a joystick like gismo.
2. Parking brake is set and unset via a button push/pull and fully electonic. In fact, if you’re battery is out, you have special procedures to release the parking brake in case you need to have it towed…..
3. The instrument cluster is mostly electronic. In higher end Mercedes S classes, the gauge is an LCD screen basically.
4. Climate control is now integrated into a central computer.
5. Most throttle is electronic, and there is talk about the steer column being replaced by electronics.
6. Even if you don’t opt for navigation, chances are a basic radio, and other things like lights/dimmers/etc are also controlled electronically these days.
7. Your engine is definitely managed via software and hardware these days. Or in the case of toyota, not managed at all 🙂
This is the the sort of gizmo to deal with these days just to drive.
[img_assist|nid=14477|title=idrive_sucks|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=300]
1. To set the parking brake, pull the P button on the console.
2. Push the P button to release the parking brake. But make sure your foot is on the brake pedal, otherwise it won’t let you.
3. To shift into D, on the joystick, press the left button and pull down the joystick, with the foot on the brake.
4. To shift into R, press the left button and push up joystick, with the foot on the brake.
5. To put the car in park, push the “P” button on top of the joystick with the foot on the brake.
6. If you are lazy, and don’t want to keep your foot on the brake while on a red light, push the “park-brake-hold” button next to the parking brake button. It will automatically set the parking brake for you when you come to a stop and release it when you hit the gas.
7. Don’t forget to turn off your lights, or none of this works if your battery is dead…Kinda like playing an arcade….
It’s just getting almost harder and harder to buy a mechanical car these days.
And IF I were to buy a preowned luxury and splurg a lot for it, I definitely would NOT go for a private party sale, since I would want to make sure it definitely came with some warranty of some sort, because if these things go out. They don’t “fix” a particular part. The replace an entire board or something like that.
January 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM #654537CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=flu]i disagree. Sorry BG, but It would have to be some exceptional reason for me to buy a preowned european car (like I knew the exact history of it, which I came almost to doing a few months ago). Particularly a high end, fully loaded with electronics thats more than 2 years old. Too many things and too many unknowns. Buying a high end 1-2 year preowned high end car, I wouldn’t really be “saving” that much relative to the entire purchase price. It’s not like 1-2 year old car will get me 50% off… For example. Let’s figure one wants to spend $100k on a S550. I seriously doubt one would consider saving $20k 1-2 year oldpreowned. If you can afford to be in a $100k car, you aren’t going to be worried about saving $20k for a preowned, you’re not going to be shelling out $80k either.
In any cases, most of these higher end cars are not purchased out right in cash anyway. Most are leased since in 3-4 years, people can ditch them for the latest and greatest…[/quote]
flu, from my friends’ experiences in buying pre-owned used luxury vehicles, I have been told that the “certified-used” dealer premium can often be $3K to $10K (or more) over a private-party sale and is “pure profit” to dealers. One only has to compare the trade-in and private party values on kbb.com for a specific year/make/model to verify this.
If the “electronics” you are speaking of here are maps and TVs/DVDs, then I feel those “add-ons” are kind of superfluous. I have a “library” of paper atlases and road maps, even “specialty” plastic-coated maps for lakes and rivers, that I load my car up with prior to embarking on a road trip. I usually know in my head how to get to a certain destination, having driven there so many times, so just pull off the road and look at a map only if I need to. I think I’d be too distracted by a screen in the dash. Last night, as I was getting gas, the SUV in the bay next to me had Sponge Bob playing in a screen on the dash. I thought TVs were supposed to be facing the back seat(s). I think it’s unsafe to have a video screen facing the driver. But that’s just me. I’ve driven clear across the country and back sitting on vinyl seats with beach towels over them and non-tinted windows (rolled down/no AC) in 100-deg heat more than once :=][/quote]
BG, every late model high end car is fully electronic these days. In fact, most BMW’s high end or not is fully electronic.
1. Automatic transmission is fully electronically controlled now with a joystick like gismo.
2. Parking brake is set and unset via a button push/pull and fully electonic. In fact, if you’re battery is out, you have special procedures to release the parking brake in case you need to have it towed…..
3. The instrument cluster is mostly electronic. In higher end Mercedes S classes, the gauge is an LCD screen basically.
4. Climate control is now integrated into a central computer.
5. Most throttle is electronic, and there is talk about the steer column being replaced by electronics.
6. Even if you don’t opt for navigation, chances are a basic radio, and other things like lights/dimmers/etc are also controlled electronically these days.
7. Your engine is definitely managed via software and hardware these days. Or in the case of toyota, not managed at all 🙂
This is the the sort of gizmo to deal with these days just to drive.
[img_assist|nid=14477|title=idrive_sucks|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=300]
1. To set the parking brake, pull the P button on the console.
2. Push the P button to release the parking brake. But make sure your foot is on the brake pedal, otherwise it won’t let you.
3. To shift into D, on the joystick, press the left button and pull down the joystick, with the foot on the brake.
4. To shift into R, press the left button and push up joystick, with the foot on the brake.
5. To put the car in park, push the “P” button on top of the joystick with the foot on the brake.
6. If you are lazy, and don’t want to keep your foot on the brake while on a red light, push the “park-brake-hold” button next to the parking brake button. It will automatically set the parking brake for you when you come to a stop and release it when you hit the gas.
7. Don’t forget to turn off your lights, or none of this works if your battery is dead…Kinda like playing an arcade….
It’s just getting almost harder and harder to buy a mechanical car these days.
And IF I were to buy a preowned luxury and splurg a lot for it, I definitely would NOT go for a private party sale, since I would want to make sure it definitely came with some warranty of some sort, because if these things go out. They don’t “fix” a particular part. The replace an entire board or something like that.
January 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM #654674CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=flu]i disagree. Sorry BG, but It would have to be some exceptional reason for me to buy a preowned european car (like I knew the exact history of it, which I came almost to doing a few months ago). Particularly a high end, fully loaded with electronics thats more than 2 years old. Too many things and too many unknowns. Buying a high end 1-2 year preowned high end car, I wouldn’t really be “saving” that much relative to the entire purchase price. It’s not like 1-2 year old car will get me 50% off… For example. Let’s figure one wants to spend $100k on a S550. I seriously doubt one would consider saving $20k 1-2 year oldpreowned. If you can afford to be in a $100k car, you aren’t going to be worried about saving $20k for a preowned, you’re not going to be shelling out $80k either.
In any cases, most of these higher end cars are not purchased out right in cash anyway. Most are leased since in 3-4 years, people can ditch them for the latest and greatest…[/quote]
flu, from my friends’ experiences in buying pre-owned used luxury vehicles, I have been told that the “certified-used” dealer premium can often be $3K to $10K (or more) over a private-party sale and is “pure profit” to dealers. One only has to compare the trade-in and private party values on kbb.com for a specific year/make/model to verify this.
If the “electronics” you are speaking of here are maps and TVs/DVDs, then I feel those “add-ons” are kind of superfluous. I have a “library” of paper atlases and road maps, even “specialty” plastic-coated maps for lakes and rivers, that I load my car up with prior to embarking on a road trip. I usually know in my head how to get to a certain destination, having driven there so many times, so just pull off the road and look at a map only if I need to. I think I’d be too distracted by a screen in the dash. Last night, as I was getting gas, the SUV in the bay next to me had Sponge Bob playing in a screen on the dash. I thought TVs were supposed to be facing the back seat(s). I think it’s unsafe to have a video screen facing the driver. But that’s just me. I’ve driven clear across the country and back sitting on vinyl seats with beach towels over them and non-tinted windows (rolled down/no AC) in 100-deg heat more than once :=][/quote]
BG, every late model high end car is fully electronic these days. In fact, most BMW’s high end or not is fully electronic.
1. Automatic transmission is fully electronically controlled now with a joystick like gismo.
2. Parking brake is set and unset via a button push/pull and fully electonic. In fact, if you’re battery is out, you have special procedures to release the parking brake in case you need to have it towed…..
3. The instrument cluster is mostly electronic. In higher end Mercedes S classes, the gauge is an LCD screen basically.
4. Climate control is now integrated into a central computer.
5. Most throttle is electronic, and there is talk about the steer column being replaced by electronics.
6. Even if you don’t opt for navigation, chances are a basic radio, and other things like lights/dimmers/etc are also controlled electronically these days.
7. Your engine is definitely managed via software and hardware these days. Or in the case of toyota, not managed at all 🙂
This is the the sort of gizmo to deal with these days just to drive.
[img_assist|nid=14477|title=idrive_sucks|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=300]
1. To set the parking brake, pull the P button on the console.
2. Push the P button to release the parking brake. But make sure your foot is on the brake pedal, otherwise it won’t let you.
3. To shift into D, on the joystick, press the left button and pull down the joystick, with the foot on the brake.
4. To shift into R, press the left button and push up joystick, with the foot on the brake.
5. To put the car in park, push the “P” button on top of the joystick with the foot on the brake.
6. If you are lazy, and don’t want to keep your foot on the brake while on a red light, push the “park-brake-hold” button next to the parking brake button. It will automatically set the parking brake for you when you come to a stop and release it when you hit the gas.
7. Don’t forget to turn off your lights, or none of this works if your battery is dead…Kinda like playing an arcade….
It’s just getting almost harder and harder to buy a mechanical car these days.
And IF I were to buy a preowned luxury and splurg a lot for it, I definitely would NOT go for a private party sale, since I would want to make sure it definitely came with some warranty of some sort, because if these things go out. They don’t “fix” a particular part. The replace an entire board or something like that.
January 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM #655002CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=flu]i disagree. Sorry BG, but It would have to be some exceptional reason for me to buy a preowned european car (like I knew the exact history of it, which I came almost to doing a few months ago). Particularly a high end, fully loaded with electronics thats more than 2 years old. Too many things and too many unknowns. Buying a high end 1-2 year preowned high end car, I wouldn’t really be “saving” that much relative to the entire purchase price. It’s not like 1-2 year old car will get me 50% off… For example. Let’s figure one wants to spend $100k on a S550. I seriously doubt one would consider saving $20k 1-2 year oldpreowned. If you can afford to be in a $100k car, you aren’t going to be worried about saving $20k for a preowned, you’re not going to be shelling out $80k either.
In any cases, most of these higher end cars are not purchased out right in cash anyway. Most are leased since in 3-4 years, people can ditch them for the latest and greatest…[/quote]
flu, from my friends’ experiences in buying pre-owned used luxury vehicles, I have been told that the “certified-used” dealer premium can often be $3K to $10K (or more) over a private-party sale and is “pure profit” to dealers. One only has to compare the trade-in and private party values on kbb.com for a specific year/make/model to verify this.
If the “electronics” you are speaking of here are maps and TVs/DVDs, then I feel those “add-ons” are kind of superfluous. I have a “library” of paper atlases and road maps, even “specialty” plastic-coated maps for lakes and rivers, that I load my car up with prior to embarking on a road trip. I usually know in my head how to get to a certain destination, having driven there so many times, so just pull off the road and look at a map only if I need to. I think I’d be too distracted by a screen in the dash. Last night, as I was getting gas, the SUV in the bay next to me had Sponge Bob playing in a screen on the dash. I thought TVs were supposed to be facing the back seat(s). I think it’s unsafe to have a video screen facing the driver. But that’s just me. I’ve driven clear across the country and back sitting on vinyl seats with beach towels over them and non-tinted windows (rolled down/no AC) in 100-deg heat more than once :=][/quote]
BG, every late model high end car is fully electronic these days. In fact, most BMW’s high end or not is fully electronic.
1. Automatic transmission is fully electronically controlled now with a joystick like gismo.
2. Parking brake is set and unset via a button push/pull and fully electonic. In fact, if you’re battery is out, you have special procedures to release the parking brake in case you need to have it towed…..
3. The instrument cluster is mostly electronic. In higher end Mercedes S classes, the gauge is an LCD screen basically.
4. Climate control is now integrated into a central computer.
5. Most throttle is electronic, and there is talk about the steer column being replaced by electronics.
6. Even if you don’t opt for navigation, chances are a basic radio, and other things like lights/dimmers/etc are also controlled electronically these days.
7. Your engine is definitely managed via software and hardware these days. Or in the case of toyota, not managed at all 🙂
This is the the sort of gizmo to deal with these days just to drive.
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1. To set the parking brake, pull the P button on the console.
2. Push the P button to release the parking brake. But make sure your foot is on the brake pedal, otherwise it won’t let you.
3. To shift into D, on the joystick, press the left button and pull down the joystick, with the foot on the brake.
4. To shift into R, press the left button and push up joystick, with the foot on the brake.
5. To put the car in park, push the “P” button on top of the joystick with the foot on the brake.
6. If you are lazy, and don’t want to keep your foot on the brake while on a red light, push the “park-brake-hold” button next to the parking brake button. It will automatically set the parking brake for you when you come to a stop and release it when you hit the gas.
7. Don’t forget to turn off your lights, or none of this works if your battery is dead…Kinda like playing an arcade….
It’s just getting almost harder and harder to buy a mechanical car these days.
And IF I were to buy a preowned luxury and splurg a lot for it, I definitely would NOT go for a private party sale, since I would want to make sure it definitely came with some warranty of some sort, because if these things go out. They don’t “fix” a particular part. The replace an entire board or something like that.
January 14, 2011 at 4:03 PM #653899enron_by_the_sea
ParticipantBoy, it must svck to repair anything that goes wrong with these cars! (in case you are wondering, my car was built in 2000 so technology has passed me by.)
January 14, 2011 at 4:03 PM #653967ParticipantBoy, it must svck to repair anything that goes wrong with these cars! (in case you are wondering, my car was built in 2000 so technology has passed me by.)
January 14, 2011 at 4:03 PM #654552ParticipantBoy, it must svck to repair anything that goes wrong with these cars! (in case you are wondering, my car was built in 2000 so technology has passed me by.)
January 14, 2011 at 4:03 PM #654688ParticipantBoy, it must svck to repair anything that goes wrong with these cars! (in case you are wondering, my car was built in 2000 so technology has passed me by.)
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