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March 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM #676912March 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM #675766
CoronitaParticipantOops. Didn’t mean to start a political debate again. My bad.
I like NPR. It just seems like they’ve been in the news a lot lately. I’m not sure what the justification of the CEO being fired was. It anyone shouldn’t been axed, it should have been the actual person who made the comments.
Oh well…Heh politics.
March 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM #675822CoronitaParticipantOops. Didn’t mean to start a political debate again. My bad.
I like NPR. It just seems like they’ve been in the news a lot lately. I’m not sure what the justification of the CEO being fired was. It anyone shouldn’t been axed, it should have been the actual person who made the comments.
Oh well…Heh politics.
March 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM #676435CoronitaParticipantOops. Didn’t mean to start a political debate again. My bad.
I like NPR. It just seems like they’ve been in the news a lot lately. I’m not sure what the justification of the CEO being fired was. It anyone shouldn’t been axed, it should have been the actual person who made the comments.
Oh well…Heh politics.
March 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM #676570CoronitaParticipantOops. Didn’t mean to start a political debate again. My bad.
I like NPR. It just seems like they’ve been in the news a lot lately. I’m not sure what the justification of the CEO being fired was. It anyone shouldn’t been axed, it should have been the actual person who made the comments.
Oh well…Heh politics.
March 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM #676917CoronitaParticipantOops. Didn’t mean to start a political debate again. My bad.
I like NPR. It just seems like they’ve been in the news a lot lately. I’m not sure what the justification of the CEO being fired was. It anyone shouldn’t been axed, it should have been the actual person who made the comments.
Oh well…Heh politics.
March 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM #675771Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=briansd1]
I’m ambivalent about the situation in Wisconsin.Yes, something needs to be done for the sake of fiscal discipline. And the state workers in Wisconsin made concessions.
But it is necessary to undo decades of labor gains and drag everybody back to the labor conditions of the past?
I do however agree with the position that the State is there to serve the people, not to perpetuate the privileges of a class of public employees who live in their own good old boys’ club.[/quote]
Brian: “drag everybody back to the labor conditions of the past”? Uh, okay. So, like back in the days when teachers got black lung disease? Or, when the DMV used child labor? Like that?
Dude, c’mon. I know I give you grief, but even you have to admit that your counterargument is thin. Friggin’ anorexic, in fact.
Unlike private unions, public unions aren’t “bargaining” or “negotiating” with anyone. The politicians who vote for these sweet deals are sitting on the SAME SIDE of the table as the unions. This is vote buying, pure and simple. Wisconsin is not some bellwether state, blazing a new trail and seeking to bust unions. Only half the states have a collective-bargaining agreement in place, and there is plenty of data to support the fact that the states that don’t, like Virginia or Indiana, are in fact able to deliver effective services and at a lower cost.
Public sector unions are not there for any other reason than to amass power, peddle influence and deliver voting blocs for “friendly” politicians. To suggest that we’re going to somehow go back to the robber baron days of yore is idiotic. These are PUBLIC sector unions, not PRIVATE sector unions.
March 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM #675827Participant[quote=briansd1]
I’m ambivalent about the situation in Wisconsin.Yes, something needs to be done for the sake of fiscal discipline. And the state workers in Wisconsin made concessions.
But it is necessary to undo decades of labor gains and drag everybody back to the labor conditions of the past?
I do however agree with the position that the State is there to serve the people, not to perpetuate the privileges of a class of public employees who live in their own good old boys’ club.[/quote]
Brian: “drag everybody back to the labor conditions of the past”? Uh, okay. So, like back in the days when teachers got black lung disease? Or, when the DMV used child labor? Like that?
Dude, c’mon. I know I give you grief, but even you have to admit that your counterargument is thin. Friggin’ anorexic, in fact.
Unlike private unions, public unions aren’t “bargaining” or “negotiating” with anyone. The politicians who vote for these sweet deals are sitting on the SAME SIDE of the table as the unions. This is vote buying, pure and simple. Wisconsin is not some bellwether state, blazing a new trail and seeking to bust unions. Only half the states have a collective-bargaining agreement in place, and there is plenty of data to support the fact that the states that don’t, like Virginia or Indiana, are in fact able to deliver effective services and at a lower cost.
Public sector unions are not there for any other reason than to amass power, peddle influence and deliver voting blocs for “friendly” politicians. To suggest that we’re going to somehow go back to the robber baron days of yore is idiotic. These are PUBLIC sector unions, not PRIVATE sector unions.
March 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM #676440Participant[quote=briansd1]
I’m ambivalent about the situation in Wisconsin.Yes, something needs to be done for the sake of fiscal discipline. And the state workers in Wisconsin made concessions.
But it is necessary to undo decades of labor gains and drag everybody back to the labor conditions of the past?
I do however agree with the position that the State is there to serve the people, not to perpetuate the privileges of a class of public employees who live in their own good old boys’ club.[/quote]
Brian: “drag everybody back to the labor conditions of the past”? Uh, okay. So, like back in the days when teachers got black lung disease? Or, when the DMV used child labor? Like that?
Dude, c’mon. I know I give you grief, but even you have to admit that your counterargument is thin. Friggin’ anorexic, in fact.
Unlike private unions, public unions aren’t “bargaining” or “negotiating” with anyone. The politicians who vote for these sweet deals are sitting on the SAME SIDE of the table as the unions. This is vote buying, pure and simple. Wisconsin is not some bellwether state, blazing a new trail and seeking to bust unions. Only half the states have a collective-bargaining agreement in place, and there is plenty of data to support the fact that the states that don’t, like Virginia or Indiana, are in fact able to deliver effective services and at a lower cost.
Public sector unions are not there for any other reason than to amass power, peddle influence and deliver voting blocs for “friendly” politicians. To suggest that we’re going to somehow go back to the robber baron days of yore is idiotic. These are PUBLIC sector unions, not PRIVATE sector unions.
March 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM #676575Participant[quote=briansd1]
I’m ambivalent about the situation in Wisconsin.Yes, something needs to be done for the sake of fiscal discipline. And the state workers in Wisconsin made concessions.
But it is necessary to undo decades of labor gains and drag everybody back to the labor conditions of the past?
I do however agree with the position that the State is there to serve the people, not to perpetuate the privileges of a class of public employees who live in their own good old boys’ club.[/quote]
Brian: “drag everybody back to the labor conditions of the past”? Uh, okay. So, like back in the days when teachers got black lung disease? Or, when the DMV used child labor? Like that?
Dude, c’mon. I know I give you grief, but even you have to admit that your counterargument is thin. Friggin’ anorexic, in fact.
Unlike private unions, public unions aren’t “bargaining” or “negotiating” with anyone. The politicians who vote for these sweet deals are sitting on the SAME SIDE of the table as the unions. This is vote buying, pure and simple. Wisconsin is not some bellwether state, blazing a new trail and seeking to bust unions. Only half the states have a collective-bargaining agreement in place, and there is plenty of data to support the fact that the states that don’t, like Virginia or Indiana, are in fact able to deliver effective services and at a lower cost.
Public sector unions are not there for any other reason than to amass power, peddle influence and deliver voting blocs for “friendly” politicians. To suggest that we’re going to somehow go back to the robber baron days of yore is idiotic. These are PUBLIC sector unions, not PRIVATE sector unions.
March 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM #676922Participant[quote=briansd1]
I’m ambivalent about the situation in Wisconsin.Yes, something needs to be done for the sake of fiscal discipline. And the state workers in Wisconsin made concessions.
But it is necessary to undo decades of labor gains and drag everybody back to the labor conditions of the past?
I do however agree with the position that the State is there to serve the people, not to perpetuate the privileges of a class of public employees who live in their own good old boys’ club.[/quote]
Brian: “drag everybody back to the labor conditions of the past”? Uh, okay. So, like back in the days when teachers got black lung disease? Or, when the DMV used child labor? Like that?
Dude, c’mon. I know I give you grief, but even you have to admit that your counterargument is thin. Friggin’ anorexic, in fact.
Unlike private unions, public unions aren’t “bargaining” or “negotiating” with anyone. The politicians who vote for these sweet deals are sitting on the SAME SIDE of the table as the unions. This is vote buying, pure and simple. Wisconsin is not some bellwether state, blazing a new trail and seeking to bust unions. Only half the states have a collective-bargaining agreement in place, and there is plenty of data to support the fact that the states that don’t, like Virginia or Indiana, are in fact able to deliver effective services and at a lower cost.
Public sector unions are not there for any other reason than to amass power, peddle influence and deliver voting blocs for “friendly” politicians. To suggest that we’re going to somehow go back to the robber baron days of yore is idiotic. These are PUBLIC sector unions, not PRIVATE sector unions.
March 10, 2011 at 10:56 PM #675878CA renter
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Leftists (as opposed to Liberals or Progressives) are not critical thinkers, any more than Glenn Beck (reactionary right-wing) is a critical thinker. If you want evidence of this, witness the recent nonsense in Wisconsin, whereby angry Leftists argued for maintenance of an unaffordable, unsupportable status quo ante and Michael Moore gabbled on about having a “right” to rich people’s money. No logic, no critical thinking, and no fairness. Plenty of sanctimony to go around, though.[/quote]The “rich” are the ones who caused the financial crisis and the pension crisis. After giving them trillions of dollars (as thanks for destroying our economy, I guess), and then extending tax cuts so the speculators on Wall Street can use all their newfound money (courtesy of the taxpayers) to ramp up commodities prices around the world…yeah, public employees are going to fight when the bill for Wall Street’s party comes due, and it’s handed to them.
March 10, 2011 at 10:56 PM #675934Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Leftists (as opposed to Liberals or Progressives) are not critical thinkers, any more than Glenn Beck (reactionary right-wing) is a critical thinker. If you want evidence of this, witness the recent nonsense in Wisconsin, whereby angry Leftists argued for maintenance of an unaffordable, unsupportable status quo ante and Michael Moore gabbled on about having a “right” to rich people’s money. No logic, no critical thinking, and no fairness. Plenty of sanctimony to go around, though.[/quote]The “rich” are the ones who caused the financial crisis and the pension crisis. After giving them trillions of dollars (as thanks for destroying our economy, I guess), and then extending tax cuts so the speculators on Wall Street can use all their newfound money (courtesy of the taxpayers) to ramp up commodities prices around the world…yeah, public employees are going to fight when the bill for Wall Street’s party comes due, and it’s handed to them.
March 10, 2011 at 10:56 PM #676546Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Leftists (as opposed to Liberals or Progressives) are not critical thinkers, any more than Glenn Beck (reactionary right-wing) is a critical thinker. If you want evidence of this, witness the recent nonsense in Wisconsin, whereby angry Leftists argued for maintenance of an unaffordable, unsupportable status quo ante and Michael Moore gabbled on about having a “right” to rich people’s money. No logic, no critical thinking, and no fairness. Plenty of sanctimony to go around, though.[/quote]The “rich” are the ones who caused the financial crisis and the pension crisis. After giving them trillions of dollars (as thanks for destroying our economy, I guess), and then extending tax cuts so the speculators on Wall Street can use all their newfound money (courtesy of the taxpayers) to ramp up commodities prices around the world…yeah, public employees are going to fight when the bill for Wall Street’s party comes due, and it’s handed to them.
March 10, 2011 at 10:56 PM #676684Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Leftists (as opposed to Liberals or Progressives) are not critical thinkers, any more than Glenn Beck (reactionary right-wing) is a critical thinker. If you want evidence of this, witness the recent nonsense in Wisconsin, whereby angry Leftists argued for maintenance of an unaffordable, unsupportable status quo ante and Michael Moore gabbled on about having a “right” to rich people’s money. No logic, no critical thinking, and no fairness. Plenty of sanctimony to go around, though.[/quote]The “rich” are the ones who caused the financial crisis and the pension crisis. After giving them trillions of dollars (as thanks for destroying our economy, I guess), and then extending tax cuts so the speculators on Wall Street can use all their newfound money (courtesy of the taxpayers) to ramp up commodities prices around the world…yeah, public employees are going to fight when the bill for Wall Street’s party comes due, and it’s handed to them.
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