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March 16, 2011 at 6:01 PM #678791March 16, 2011 at 9:34 PM #677707equalizerParticipant
This may have been posted elsewhere, but it’s worth repeating about pension spiking. TG has correctly stated that salaries and benefits of peace/corrections officers/fireman is tiny portion of budget, but it is wrong on principle (think Javert in Les Misérables) if there are massive budget problems and fair market value of comparable jobs, say nuclear workers or front line soldiers, is lower.
Not to say that most aren’t tremendously loyal servants like Glenn Allen, the 61 year old L.A. firefighter with 36 years on the job who tragically died putting out a fire last month.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/19/local/la-me-0219-firefighter-20110219
“1 Billion DROP Salary Scandal: L.A. Cops, Firefighters Allowed to Double-Dip Into City Funds, Collect Pensions 5 Years Early”
It would be great if everyone in comparable position could have a DROP program. Warning: watching the video may produce strong reactions.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/03/lapd_drop_salaries_pensions.php
March 16, 2011 at 9:34 PM #677761equalizerParticipantThis may have been posted elsewhere, but it’s worth repeating about pension spiking. TG has correctly stated that salaries and benefits of peace/corrections officers/fireman is tiny portion of budget, but it is wrong on principle (think Javert in Les Misérables) if there are massive budget problems and fair market value of comparable jobs, say nuclear workers or front line soldiers, is lower.
Not to say that most aren’t tremendously loyal servants like Glenn Allen, the 61 year old L.A. firefighter with 36 years on the job who tragically died putting out a fire last month.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/19/local/la-me-0219-firefighter-20110219
“1 Billion DROP Salary Scandal: L.A. Cops, Firefighters Allowed to Double-Dip Into City Funds, Collect Pensions 5 Years Early”
It would be great if everyone in comparable position could have a DROP program. Warning: watching the video may produce strong reactions.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/03/lapd_drop_salaries_pensions.php
March 16, 2011 at 9:34 PM #678365equalizerParticipantThis may have been posted elsewhere, but it’s worth repeating about pension spiking. TG has correctly stated that salaries and benefits of peace/corrections officers/fireman is tiny portion of budget, but it is wrong on principle (think Javert in Les Misérables) if there are massive budget problems and fair market value of comparable jobs, say nuclear workers or front line soldiers, is lower.
Not to say that most aren’t tremendously loyal servants like Glenn Allen, the 61 year old L.A. firefighter with 36 years on the job who tragically died putting out a fire last month.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/19/local/la-me-0219-firefighter-20110219
“1 Billion DROP Salary Scandal: L.A. Cops, Firefighters Allowed to Double-Dip Into City Funds, Collect Pensions 5 Years Early”
It would be great if everyone in comparable position could have a DROP program. Warning: watching the video may produce strong reactions.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/03/lapd_drop_salaries_pensions.php
March 16, 2011 at 9:34 PM #678497equalizerParticipantThis may have been posted elsewhere, but it’s worth repeating about pension spiking. TG has correctly stated that salaries and benefits of peace/corrections officers/fireman is tiny portion of budget, but it is wrong on principle (think Javert in Les Misérables) if there are massive budget problems and fair market value of comparable jobs, say nuclear workers or front line soldiers, is lower.
Not to say that most aren’t tremendously loyal servants like Glenn Allen, the 61 year old L.A. firefighter with 36 years on the job who tragically died putting out a fire last month.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/19/local/la-me-0219-firefighter-20110219
“1 Billion DROP Salary Scandal: L.A. Cops, Firefighters Allowed to Double-Dip Into City Funds, Collect Pensions 5 Years Early”
It would be great if everyone in comparable position could have a DROP program. Warning: watching the video may produce strong reactions.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/03/lapd_drop_salaries_pensions.php
March 16, 2011 at 9:34 PM #678841equalizerParticipantThis may have been posted elsewhere, but it’s worth repeating about pension spiking. TG has correctly stated that salaries and benefits of peace/corrections officers/fireman is tiny portion of budget, but it is wrong on principle (think Javert in Les Misérables) if there are massive budget problems and fair market value of comparable jobs, say nuclear workers or front line soldiers, is lower.
Not to say that most aren’t tremendously loyal servants like Glenn Allen, the 61 year old L.A. firefighter with 36 years on the job who tragically died putting out a fire last month.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/19/local/la-me-0219-firefighter-20110219
“1 Billion DROP Salary Scandal: L.A. Cops, Firefighters Allowed to Double-Dip Into City Funds, Collect Pensions 5 Years Early”
It would be great if everyone in comparable position could have a DROP program. Warning: watching the video may produce strong reactions.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/03/lapd_drop_salaries_pensions.php
March 16, 2011 at 9:40 PM #677712equalizerParticipant[quote=davelj]I have no sympathy for people who think they’re being “forced” into debt because Muffy has to attend Amherst.)[/quote]
Oh sure, dumb down Miffy so you and Allan can keep winning every debate!
March 16, 2011 at 9:40 PM #677766equalizerParticipant[quote=davelj]I have no sympathy for people who think they’re being “forced” into debt because Muffy has to attend Amherst.)[/quote]
Oh sure, dumb down Miffy so you and Allan can keep winning every debate!
March 16, 2011 at 9:40 PM #678370equalizerParticipant[quote=davelj]I have no sympathy for people who think they’re being “forced” into debt because Muffy has to attend Amherst.)[/quote]
Oh sure, dumb down Miffy so you and Allan can keep winning every debate!
March 16, 2011 at 9:40 PM #678502equalizerParticipant[quote=davelj]I have no sympathy for people who think they’re being “forced” into debt because Muffy has to attend Amherst.)[/quote]
Oh sure, dumb down Miffy so you and Allan can keep winning every debate!
March 16, 2011 at 9:40 PM #678846equalizerParticipant[quote=davelj]I have no sympathy for people who think they’re being “forced” into debt because Muffy has to attend Amherst.)[/quote]
Oh sure, dumb down Miffy so you and Allan can keep winning every debate!
March 16, 2011 at 10:11 PM #677722CA renterParticipantYes, they have been making concessions. I know this for a fact because I used to work for LAUSD, and they were making concessions in the mid-90s (lost retirement healthcare). I know many union members in different positions, departments, cities, etc., and almost all of them have been making concessions.
For more info:
From 2009:
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0427.htm
…………..The Colton City Council will be asked March 1 to ratify terms of a labor contract with police officers, apparently ending months of often bitter negotiations.
The Colton Police Officers Association issued a news release earlier this month announcing that its members had agreed to take 13 percent pay cuts “to avoid layoffs of police officers and staff.”
City Council members met in closed session Tuesday to finalize negotiations, but City Manager Rod Foster announced afterward that it would take time to prepare “all the necessary resolutions” for council approval.
He and council members thanked the police union for what Foster termed “significant concessions that their union membership approved by a very wide margin.”
http://www.pe.com/localnews/sbcounty/stories/PE_News_Local_D_npolice20.27e2f89.html
…………….Video regarding police officer concessions in Redding:
http://www.redding.com/videos/detail/union-concessions/
………………More than three-quarters of SEIU Local 1000 employees who voted have ratified a labor agreement worked out with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, union officials said this afternoon.
“Still, the the deal angered some state workers. It accepts 12 unpaid days off over the next 12 months on top of the nine furlough days imposed on employees from August through October of this year. The contract also increases the percentage of wages that employees contribute to their retirement and sets lower pension benefit formulas for new hires.
http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/2010/11/seiu-ratifies-concessions-in-california-contract/
…………..On December 14, teachers in California’s West Contra Costa Unified School District (WCCUSD) narrowly passed a contract that includes a pay freeze, larger class sizes and a sharp cut in health care benefits.
The WCCUSD includes several cities in the San Francisco Bay Area of California, including Richmond, Hercules, Pinole, El Cerrito, San Pablo and parts of El Sobrante and Kensington. The district had insisted on concessions to help close a deficit of about $16 million.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/dec2009/educ-d19.shtml
………………A teachers union that has been reluctant to make concessions in the past gave big at the negotiating table this week – agreeing to pay cuts, higher medical co-pays, furlough days and the suspension of an annual bonus.
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/05/19/2760704/elk-grove.html
……………….OCEANSIDE — Unions representing Oceanside Fire Department employees have agreed to concessions in hopes of saving three positions eliminated during recent budget cutbacks.
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/oceanside/article_5ee4fed6-c668-57c7-94d2-57113d25646b.html
……………….ESCONDIDO — For the first time in Escondido’s history, a labor union has agreed to forgo pension contributions made by the city.
The concession came from the Escondido Firefighters Association, whose 85 members will pay all pension contributions for this year and next, the duration of a new contract that the City Council approved this week. In addition, the union agreed to give up 46 of 138 hours of holiday pay.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/13/escondido-firefighters-union-oks-concessions/#
…………….The Poway Unified teachers’ union became the second in the county to approve pay cuts in an effort to avoid layoffs, reported the Union-Tribune. The Poway Federation of Teachers agreed to a 2.7 percent pay cut in exchange for five fewer workdays over the next two years. About 69 percent of union members voted for the rollback.
Allan,
I could go on and on. I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that unions have not made concessions. It’s been going on for a long, long time.
March 16, 2011 at 10:11 PM #677774CA renterParticipantYes, they have been making concessions. I know this for a fact because I used to work for LAUSD, and they were making concessions in the mid-90s (lost retirement healthcare). I know many union members in different positions, departments, cities, etc., and almost all of them have been making concessions.
For more info:
From 2009:
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0427.htm
…………..The Colton City Council will be asked March 1 to ratify terms of a labor contract with police officers, apparently ending months of often bitter negotiations.
The Colton Police Officers Association issued a news release earlier this month announcing that its members had agreed to take 13 percent pay cuts “to avoid layoffs of police officers and staff.”
City Council members met in closed session Tuesday to finalize negotiations, but City Manager Rod Foster announced afterward that it would take time to prepare “all the necessary resolutions” for council approval.
He and council members thanked the police union for what Foster termed “significant concessions that their union membership approved by a very wide margin.”
http://www.pe.com/localnews/sbcounty/stories/PE_News_Local_D_npolice20.27e2f89.html
…………….Video regarding police officer concessions in Redding:
http://www.redding.com/videos/detail/union-concessions/
………………More than three-quarters of SEIU Local 1000 employees who voted have ratified a labor agreement worked out with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, union officials said this afternoon.
“Still, the the deal angered some state workers. It accepts 12 unpaid days off over the next 12 months on top of the nine furlough days imposed on employees from August through October of this year. The contract also increases the percentage of wages that employees contribute to their retirement and sets lower pension benefit formulas for new hires.
http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/2010/11/seiu-ratifies-concessions-in-california-contract/
…………..On December 14, teachers in California’s West Contra Costa Unified School District (WCCUSD) narrowly passed a contract that includes a pay freeze, larger class sizes and a sharp cut in health care benefits.
The WCCUSD includes several cities in the San Francisco Bay Area of California, including Richmond, Hercules, Pinole, El Cerrito, San Pablo and parts of El Sobrante and Kensington. The district had insisted on concessions to help close a deficit of about $16 million.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/dec2009/educ-d19.shtml
………………A teachers union that has been reluctant to make concessions in the past gave big at the negotiating table this week – agreeing to pay cuts, higher medical co-pays, furlough days and the suspension of an annual bonus.
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/05/19/2760704/elk-grove.html
……………….OCEANSIDE — Unions representing Oceanside Fire Department employees have agreed to concessions in hopes of saving three positions eliminated during recent budget cutbacks.
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/oceanside/article_5ee4fed6-c668-57c7-94d2-57113d25646b.html
……………….ESCONDIDO — For the first time in Escondido’s history, a labor union has agreed to forgo pension contributions made by the city.
The concession came from the Escondido Firefighters Association, whose 85 members will pay all pension contributions for this year and next, the duration of a new contract that the City Council approved this week. In addition, the union agreed to give up 46 of 138 hours of holiday pay.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/13/escondido-firefighters-union-oks-concessions/#
…………….The Poway Unified teachers’ union became the second in the county to approve pay cuts in an effort to avoid layoffs, reported the Union-Tribune. The Poway Federation of Teachers agreed to a 2.7 percent pay cut in exchange for five fewer workdays over the next two years. About 69 percent of union members voted for the rollback.
Allan,
I could go on and on. I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that unions have not made concessions. It’s been going on for a long, long time.
March 16, 2011 at 10:11 PM #678379CA renterParticipantYes, they have been making concessions. I know this for a fact because I used to work for LAUSD, and they were making concessions in the mid-90s (lost retirement healthcare). I know many union members in different positions, departments, cities, etc., and almost all of them have been making concessions.
For more info:
From 2009:
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0427.htm
…………..The Colton City Council will be asked March 1 to ratify terms of a labor contract with police officers, apparently ending months of often bitter negotiations.
The Colton Police Officers Association issued a news release earlier this month announcing that its members had agreed to take 13 percent pay cuts “to avoid layoffs of police officers and staff.”
City Council members met in closed session Tuesday to finalize negotiations, but City Manager Rod Foster announced afterward that it would take time to prepare “all the necessary resolutions” for council approval.
He and council members thanked the police union for what Foster termed “significant concessions that their union membership approved by a very wide margin.”
http://www.pe.com/localnews/sbcounty/stories/PE_News_Local_D_npolice20.27e2f89.html
…………….Video regarding police officer concessions in Redding:
http://www.redding.com/videos/detail/union-concessions/
………………More than three-quarters of SEIU Local 1000 employees who voted have ratified a labor agreement worked out with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, union officials said this afternoon.
“Still, the the deal angered some state workers. It accepts 12 unpaid days off over the next 12 months on top of the nine furlough days imposed on employees from August through October of this year. The contract also increases the percentage of wages that employees contribute to their retirement and sets lower pension benefit formulas for new hires.
http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/2010/11/seiu-ratifies-concessions-in-california-contract/
…………..On December 14, teachers in California’s West Contra Costa Unified School District (WCCUSD) narrowly passed a contract that includes a pay freeze, larger class sizes and a sharp cut in health care benefits.
The WCCUSD includes several cities in the San Francisco Bay Area of California, including Richmond, Hercules, Pinole, El Cerrito, San Pablo and parts of El Sobrante and Kensington. The district had insisted on concessions to help close a deficit of about $16 million.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/dec2009/educ-d19.shtml
………………A teachers union that has been reluctant to make concessions in the past gave big at the negotiating table this week – agreeing to pay cuts, higher medical co-pays, furlough days and the suspension of an annual bonus.
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/05/19/2760704/elk-grove.html
……………….OCEANSIDE — Unions representing Oceanside Fire Department employees have agreed to concessions in hopes of saving three positions eliminated during recent budget cutbacks.
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/oceanside/article_5ee4fed6-c668-57c7-94d2-57113d25646b.html
……………….ESCONDIDO — For the first time in Escondido’s history, a labor union has agreed to forgo pension contributions made by the city.
The concession came from the Escondido Firefighters Association, whose 85 members will pay all pension contributions for this year and next, the duration of a new contract that the City Council approved this week. In addition, the union agreed to give up 46 of 138 hours of holiday pay.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/13/escondido-firefighters-union-oks-concessions/#
…………….The Poway Unified teachers’ union became the second in the county to approve pay cuts in an effort to avoid layoffs, reported the Union-Tribune. The Poway Federation of Teachers agreed to a 2.7 percent pay cut in exchange for five fewer workdays over the next two years. About 69 percent of union members voted for the rollback.
Allan,
I could go on and on. I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that unions have not made concessions. It’s been going on for a long, long time.
March 16, 2011 at 10:11 PM #678512CA renterParticipantYes, they have been making concessions. I know this for a fact because I used to work for LAUSD, and they were making concessions in the mid-90s (lost retirement healthcare). I know many union members in different positions, departments, cities, etc., and almost all of them have been making concessions.
For more info:
From 2009:
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0427.htm
…………..The Colton City Council will be asked March 1 to ratify terms of a labor contract with police officers, apparently ending months of often bitter negotiations.
The Colton Police Officers Association issued a news release earlier this month announcing that its members had agreed to take 13 percent pay cuts “to avoid layoffs of police officers and staff.”
City Council members met in closed session Tuesday to finalize negotiations, but City Manager Rod Foster announced afterward that it would take time to prepare “all the necessary resolutions” for council approval.
He and council members thanked the police union for what Foster termed “significant concessions that their union membership approved by a very wide margin.”
http://www.pe.com/localnews/sbcounty/stories/PE_News_Local_D_npolice20.27e2f89.html
…………….Video regarding police officer concessions in Redding:
http://www.redding.com/videos/detail/union-concessions/
………………More than three-quarters of SEIU Local 1000 employees who voted have ratified a labor agreement worked out with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, union officials said this afternoon.
“Still, the the deal angered some state workers. It accepts 12 unpaid days off over the next 12 months on top of the nine furlough days imposed on employees from August through October of this year. The contract also increases the percentage of wages that employees contribute to their retirement and sets lower pension benefit formulas for new hires.
http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/2010/11/seiu-ratifies-concessions-in-california-contract/
…………..On December 14, teachers in California’s West Contra Costa Unified School District (WCCUSD) narrowly passed a contract that includes a pay freeze, larger class sizes and a sharp cut in health care benefits.
The WCCUSD includes several cities in the San Francisco Bay Area of California, including Richmond, Hercules, Pinole, El Cerrito, San Pablo and parts of El Sobrante and Kensington. The district had insisted on concessions to help close a deficit of about $16 million.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/dec2009/educ-d19.shtml
………………A teachers union that has been reluctant to make concessions in the past gave big at the negotiating table this week – agreeing to pay cuts, higher medical co-pays, furlough days and the suspension of an annual bonus.
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/05/19/2760704/elk-grove.html
……………….OCEANSIDE — Unions representing Oceanside Fire Department employees have agreed to concessions in hopes of saving three positions eliminated during recent budget cutbacks.
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/oceanside/article_5ee4fed6-c668-57c7-94d2-57113d25646b.html
……………….ESCONDIDO — For the first time in Escondido’s history, a labor union has agreed to forgo pension contributions made by the city.
The concession came from the Escondido Firefighters Association, whose 85 members will pay all pension contributions for this year and next, the duration of a new contract that the City Council approved this week. In addition, the union agreed to give up 46 of 138 hours of holiday pay.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/13/escondido-firefighters-union-oks-concessions/#
…………….The Poway Unified teachers’ union became the second in the county to approve pay cuts in an effort to avoid layoffs, reported the Union-Tribune. The Poway Federation of Teachers agreed to a 2.7 percent pay cut in exchange for five fewer workdays over the next two years. About 69 percent of union members voted for the rollback.
Allan,
I could go on and on. I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that unions have not made concessions. It’s been going on for a long, long time.
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