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October 28, 2008 at 11:22 AM #294583October 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM #294184anParticipant
[quote=afx114]asia,
Isn’t there a free market solution to that problem? Build more hospitals, hire more doctors, etc..[/quote]
How can you hire more doctors if no one want to be a doctor? You can’t create doctors out of thin air. Building more hospital is a definitely solution. The question is though, if it’s so profitable to build hospital, why don’t we already have more hospital and single bed rooms. Unless the government also want to go into the business of building and running hospitals. It’s neither cheap, easy, or cost effective to build more hospitals quickly.October 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM #294515anParticipant[quote=afx114]asia,
Isn’t there a free market solution to that problem? Build more hospitals, hire more doctors, etc..[/quote]
How can you hire more doctors if no one want to be a doctor? You can’t create doctors out of thin air. Building more hospital is a definitely solution. The question is though, if it’s so profitable to build hospital, why don’t we already have more hospital and single bed rooms. Unless the government also want to go into the business of building and running hospitals. It’s neither cheap, easy, or cost effective to build more hospitals quickly.October 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM #294538anParticipant[quote=afx114]asia,
Isn’t there a free market solution to that problem? Build more hospitals, hire more doctors, etc..[/quote]
How can you hire more doctors if no one want to be a doctor? You can’t create doctors out of thin air. Building more hospital is a definitely solution. The question is though, if it’s so profitable to build hospital, why don’t we already have more hospital and single bed rooms. Unless the government also want to go into the business of building and running hospitals. It’s neither cheap, easy, or cost effective to build more hospitals quickly.October 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM #294551anParticipant[quote=afx114]asia,
Isn’t there a free market solution to that problem? Build more hospitals, hire more doctors, etc..[/quote]
How can you hire more doctors if no one want to be a doctor? You can’t create doctors out of thin air. Building more hospital is a definitely solution. The question is though, if it’s so profitable to build hospital, why don’t we already have more hospital and single bed rooms. Unless the government also want to go into the business of building and running hospitals. It’s neither cheap, easy, or cost effective to build more hospitals quickly.October 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM #294588anParticipant[quote=afx114]asia,
Isn’t there a free market solution to that problem? Build more hospitals, hire more doctors, etc..[/quote]
How can you hire more doctors if no one want to be a doctor? You can’t create doctors out of thin air. Building more hospital is a definitely solution. The question is though, if it’s so profitable to build hospital, why don’t we already have more hospital and single bed rooms. Unless the government also want to go into the business of building and running hospitals. It’s neither cheap, easy, or cost effective to build more hospitals quickly.October 28, 2008 at 1:35 PM #294254MANmomParticipantHere’s a novel idea, offer health insurance for catastrophic illness only…cancer, accidents, major surgery, etc. Everything else we pay for out of our own pockets. We would then be inticed to shop around for a good general doctor at a good price. General docs would not have to haggle with the insurance companies, bringing down the cost of the office. Make it OK for a nurse practitioner to diagnose things like kid’s ear infections, most of the doctor’s visits I had when my kids were little were ear infections…that would save a lot of money. If they have to refer you out of the general office, then insurance would be used.
October 28, 2008 at 1:35 PM #294585MANmomParticipantHere’s a novel idea, offer health insurance for catastrophic illness only…cancer, accidents, major surgery, etc. Everything else we pay for out of our own pockets. We would then be inticed to shop around for a good general doctor at a good price. General docs would not have to haggle with the insurance companies, bringing down the cost of the office. Make it OK for a nurse practitioner to diagnose things like kid’s ear infections, most of the doctor’s visits I had when my kids were little were ear infections…that would save a lot of money. If they have to refer you out of the general office, then insurance would be used.
October 28, 2008 at 1:35 PM #294609MANmomParticipantHere’s a novel idea, offer health insurance for catastrophic illness only…cancer, accidents, major surgery, etc. Everything else we pay for out of our own pockets. We would then be inticed to shop around for a good general doctor at a good price. General docs would not have to haggle with the insurance companies, bringing down the cost of the office. Make it OK for a nurse practitioner to diagnose things like kid’s ear infections, most of the doctor’s visits I had when my kids were little were ear infections…that would save a lot of money. If they have to refer you out of the general office, then insurance would be used.
October 28, 2008 at 1:35 PM #294621MANmomParticipantHere’s a novel idea, offer health insurance for catastrophic illness only…cancer, accidents, major surgery, etc. Everything else we pay for out of our own pockets. We would then be inticed to shop around for a good general doctor at a good price. General docs would not have to haggle with the insurance companies, bringing down the cost of the office. Make it OK for a nurse practitioner to diagnose things like kid’s ear infections, most of the doctor’s visits I had when my kids were little were ear infections…that would save a lot of money. If they have to refer you out of the general office, then insurance would be used.
October 28, 2008 at 1:35 PM #294658MANmomParticipantHere’s a novel idea, offer health insurance for catastrophic illness only…cancer, accidents, major surgery, etc. Everything else we pay for out of our own pockets. We would then be inticed to shop around for a good general doctor at a good price. General docs would not have to haggle with the insurance companies, bringing down the cost of the office. Make it OK for a nurse practitioner to diagnose things like kid’s ear infections, most of the doctor’s visits I had when my kids were little were ear infections…that would save a lot of money. If they have to refer you out of the general office, then insurance would be used.
October 28, 2008 at 2:06 PM #294264bubba99ParticipantThe solution to health care is relatively simple – redefine the role of doctor, and pubicly fund it.
For 80% of all medical procedures/visits, a nurse practicioner is adequately trained. 10 years of med school and residency is not required to set a simple fracture, or treat a cold. Reduce the investment in “Dr.” and reduce the price.
Private medical insurance has not lived up to the high ideals of “privatization”. We have seen no innovation, no cost reductions through productivity increases, nor any capital efficiencies pushed into the industry. Each year we are seeing cost increases of 25% and more. This is hardly a great track record. The state could not be any worse.
When you start to look at the embedded capital costs created by privatization of true “Non-profit charitable Hospitals” you see where the giant increases in costs comming from. As a child I broke my arm. The doctor at the hospital emergency room set it and put on a cast after x-rays at a total cost of $100.19. This was done at a church hospital run by nurse/nuns Recently when my nephew did the same, the cost was closer to $10,000.00 The hospital for my nephews treatment was a former community hospital sold to Blue Cross, then resold three more times to “Private” non-profit entities owned by Caremark among others. Each time the “profit center” was repriced upwards creating new debt to be loaded on the “non-profit” entity. The end result, 25% year over year price increase to service un-necessary capital ocsts.
October 28, 2008 at 2:06 PM #294595bubba99ParticipantThe solution to health care is relatively simple – redefine the role of doctor, and pubicly fund it.
For 80% of all medical procedures/visits, a nurse practicioner is adequately trained. 10 years of med school and residency is not required to set a simple fracture, or treat a cold. Reduce the investment in “Dr.” and reduce the price.
Private medical insurance has not lived up to the high ideals of “privatization”. We have seen no innovation, no cost reductions through productivity increases, nor any capital efficiencies pushed into the industry. Each year we are seeing cost increases of 25% and more. This is hardly a great track record. The state could not be any worse.
When you start to look at the embedded capital costs created by privatization of true “Non-profit charitable Hospitals” you see where the giant increases in costs comming from. As a child I broke my arm. The doctor at the hospital emergency room set it and put on a cast after x-rays at a total cost of $100.19. This was done at a church hospital run by nurse/nuns Recently when my nephew did the same, the cost was closer to $10,000.00 The hospital for my nephews treatment was a former community hospital sold to Blue Cross, then resold three more times to “Private” non-profit entities owned by Caremark among others. Each time the “profit center” was repriced upwards creating new debt to be loaded on the “non-profit” entity. The end result, 25% year over year price increase to service un-necessary capital ocsts.
October 28, 2008 at 2:06 PM #294619bubba99ParticipantThe solution to health care is relatively simple – redefine the role of doctor, and pubicly fund it.
For 80% of all medical procedures/visits, a nurse practicioner is adequately trained. 10 years of med school and residency is not required to set a simple fracture, or treat a cold. Reduce the investment in “Dr.” and reduce the price.
Private medical insurance has not lived up to the high ideals of “privatization”. We have seen no innovation, no cost reductions through productivity increases, nor any capital efficiencies pushed into the industry. Each year we are seeing cost increases of 25% and more. This is hardly a great track record. The state could not be any worse.
When you start to look at the embedded capital costs created by privatization of true “Non-profit charitable Hospitals” you see where the giant increases in costs comming from. As a child I broke my arm. The doctor at the hospital emergency room set it and put on a cast after x-rays at a total cost of $100.19. This was done at a church hospital run by nurse/nuns Recently when my nephew did the same, the cost was closer to $10,000.00 The hospital for my nephews treatment was a former community hospital sold to Blue Cross, then resold three more times to “Private” non-profit entities owned by Caremark among others. Each time the “profit center” was repriced upwards creating new debt to be loaded on the “non-profit” entity. The end result, 25% year over year price increase to service un-necessary capital ocsts.
October 28, 2008 at 2:06 PM #294631bubba99ParticipantThe solution to health care is relatively simple – redefine the role of doctor, and pubicly fund it.
For 80% of all medical procedures/visits, a nurse practicioner is adequately trained. 10 years of med school and residency is not required to set a simple fracture, or treat a cold. Reduce the investment in “Dr.” and reduce the price.
Private medical insurance has not lived up to the high ideals of “privatization”. We have seen no innovation, no cost reductions through productivity increases, nor any capital efficiencies pushed into the industry. Each year we are seeing cost increases of 25% and more. This is hardly a great track record. The state could not be any worse.
When you start to look at the embedded capital costs created by privatization of true “Non-profit charitable Hospitals” you see where the giant increases in costs comming from. As a child I broke my arm. The doctor at the hospital emergency room set it and put on a cast after x-rays at a total cost of $100.19. This was done at a church hospital run by nurse/nuns Recently when my nephew did the same, the cost was closer to $10,000.00 The hospital for my nephews treatment was a former community hospital sold to Blue Cross, then resold three more times to “Private” non-profit entities owned by Caremark among others. Each time the “profit center” was repriced upwards creating new debt to be loaded on the “non-profit” entity. The end result, 25% year over year price increase to service un-necessary capital ocsts.
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