OT: Unbiased analysis of Obama and McCain tax plans

[Anonymous]

I see we’re back. good.

Hard work should bring great fulfillment, and we should not tax people who have created wealth more than anyone else. Flat tax is the way to go, better yet, a national sales tax would be better, then even the drug dealers would pay when they buy their fancy car or big gold necklace, but I think most americans would balk at an additional 15-20% on top of our 7.75% sales tax.

MANmom

I don’t agree with a flat tax rate. If you earn more, you should pay more taxes. A flat tax rate wouldn’t be good for our society because it would be no break for the poor.

[TheBreeze]

In any event, we’ll see. Come November, if Obama wins and there is a D majority in congress with a D president, we’ll see how fiscally conservative you folks are and how little the government grows under your tutelage.

I predict that there will be excuses aplenty in a year or so…

There’s no way the Democrats can do any worse than the Republicans did. Under Bush, the dollar index went from 110 to 70, there was an unnecessary $3 trillion war, there was a massive housing bubble with fraud rampant throughout the entire banking system, and the incomes of most Americans were either stagnant or went down.

With the Republicans, we’ve had massive government spending with nothing to show for it. Under the Democrats, I imagine we’ll get some actual value for our government dollars. There’s no way the Democrats can do any worse. President Chimpy has buried the bar deep in the ground.

[TheBreeze]

In any event, we’ll see. Come November, if Obama wins and there is a D majority in congress with a D president, we’ll see how fiscally conservative you folks are and how little the government grows under your tutelage.

I predict that there will be excuses aplenty in a year or so…

There’s no way the Democrats can do any worse than the Republicans did. Under Bush, the dollar index went from 110 to 70, there was an unnecessary $3 trillion war, there was a massive housing bubble with fraud rampant throughout the entire banking system, and the incomes of most Americans were either stagnant or went down.

With the Republicans, we’ve had massive government spending with nothing to show for it. Under the Democrats, I imagine we’ll get some actual value for our government dollars. There’s no way the Democrats can do any worse. President Chimpy has buried the bar deep in the ground.

[TheBreeze]

In any event, we’ll see. Come November, if Obama wins and there is a D majority in congress with a D president, we’ll see how fiscally conservative you folks are and how little the government grows under your tutelage.

I predict that there will be excuses aplenty in a year or so…

There’s no way the Democrats can do any worse than the Republicans did. Under Bush, the dollar index went from 110 to 70, there was an unnecessary $3 trillion war, there was a massive housing bubble with fraud rampant throughout the entire banking system, and the incomes of most Americans were either stagnant or went down.

With the Republicans, we’ve had massive government spending with nothing to show for it. Under the Democrats, I imagine we’ll get some actual value for our government dollars. There’s no way the Democrats can do any worse. President Chimpy has buried the bar deep in the ground.

[TheBreeze]

In any event, we’ll see. Come November, if Obama wins and there is a D majority in congress with a D president, we’ll see how fiscally conservative you folks are and how little the government grows under your tutelage.

I predict that there will be excuses aplenty in a year or so…

There’s no way the Democrats can do any worse than the Republicans did. Under Bush, the dollar index went from 110 to 70, there was an unnecessary $3 trillion war, there was a massive housing bubble with fraud rampant throughout the entire banking system, and the incomes of most Americans were either stagnant or went down.

With the Republicans, we’ve had massive government spending with nothing to show for it. Under the Democrats, I imagine we’ll get some actual value for our government dollars. There’s no way the Democrats can do any worse. President Chimpy has buried the bar deep in the ground.

[TheBreeze]

In any event, we’ll see. Come November, if Obama wins and there is a D majority in congress with a D president, we’ll see how fiscally conservative you folks are and how little the government grows under your tutelage.

I predict that there will be excuses aplenty in a year or so…

There’s no way the Democrats can do any worse than the Republicans did. Under Bush, the dollar index went from 110 to 70, there was an unnecessary $3 trillion war, there was a massive housing bubble with fraud rampant throughout the entire banking system, and the incomes of most Americans were either stagnant or went down.

With the Republicans, we’ve had massive government spending with nothing to show for it. Under the Democrats, I imagine we’ll get some actual value for our government dollars. There’s no way the Democrats can do any worse. President Chimpy has buried the bar deep in the ground.

[Coronita]

Very good point FLU. I was thinking along the same thing. I wonder if those of you who consider $250k household income to be rich also consider $125k individual income to be rich as well.

The point that he hasn’t clarified this to me is disturbing…It seems he’s just pulling things out of his ass.
I voted against Bush. And though I’m not a McCain fan, like the previous election(s), my vote this time is a vote not “for” someone, but rather ensuring I vote against someone else.

I just find it ironic that folks disappointed about these RE bailouts aren’t equally alarmed about free handouts. Those that make more already *do* pay a hell of a lot more taxes than everyone else. Perhaps others should learn more how to manage their savings instead of buying all sorts of bling bling bling sh!t.

The other thing that is bothering me about Obama…He’s starting to pick candidates from the older baby boomer generation. Why? Ah, because Obama needs these votes, and he knows he won’t win unless he says something about taxing more to ensure those Social Security benefits are fattened for all those baby boomers retiring. So again, here we go….Poor/lower middle class people should get their cut, baby boomer retirees will get their cut…Who is going to be paying for this again?

[Coronita]

Very good point FLU. I was thinking along the same thing. I wonder if those of you who consider $250k household income to be rich also consider $125k individual income to be rich as well.

The point that he hasn’t clarified this to me is disturbing…It seems he’s just pulling things out of his ass.
I voted against Bush. And though I’m not a McCain fan, like the previous election(s), my vote this time is a vote not “for” someone, but rather ensuring I vote against someone else.

I just find it ironic that folks disappointed about these RE bailouts aren’t equally alarmed about free handouts. Those that make more already *do* pay a hell of a lot more taxes than everyone else. Perhaps others should learn more how to manage their savings instead of buying all sorts of bling bling bling sh!t.

The other thing that is bothering me about Obama…He’s starting to pick candidates from the older baby boomer generation. Why? Ah, because Obama needs these votes, and he knows he won’t win unless he says something about taxing more to ensure those Social Security benefits are fattened for all those baby boomers retiring. So again, here we go….Poor/lower middle class people should get their cut, baby boomer retirees will get their cut…Who is going to be paying for this again?

[Coronita]

Very good point FLU. I was thinking along the same thing. I wonder if those of you who consider $250k household income to be rich also consider $125k individual income to be rich as well.

The point that he hasn’t clarified this to me is disturbing…It seems he’s just pulling things out of his ass.
I voted against Bush. And though I’m not a McCain fan, like the previous election(s), my vote this time is a vote not “for” someone, but rather ensuring I vote against someone else.

I just find it ironic that folks disappointed about these RE bailouts aren’t equally alarmed about free handouts. Those that make more already *do* pay a hell of a lot more taxes than everyone else. Perhaps others should learn more how to manage their savings instead of buying all sorts of bling bling bling sh!t.

The other thing that is bothering me about Obama…He’s starting to pick candidates from the older baby boomer generation. Why? Ah, because Obama needs these votes, and he knows he won’t win unless he says something about taxing more to ensure those Social Security benefits are fattened for all those baby boomers retiring. So again, here we go….Poor/lower middle class people should get their cut, baby boomer retirees will get their cut…Who is going to be paying for this again?

[Coronita]

Very good point FLU. I was thinking along the same thing. I wonder if those of you who consider $250k household income to be rich also consider $125k individual income to be rich as well.

The point that he hasn’t clarified this to me is disturbing…It seems he’s just pulling things out of his ass.
I voted against Bush. And though I’m not a McCain fan, like the previous election(s), my vote this time is a vote not “for” someone, but rather ensuring I vote against someone else.

I just find it ironic that folks disappointed about these RE bailouts aren’t equally alarmed about free handouts. Those that make more already *do* pay a hell of a lot more taxes than everyone else. Perhaps others should learn more how to manage their savings instead of buying all sorts of bling bling bling sh!t.

The other thing that is bothering me about Obama…He’s starting to pick candidates from the older baby boomer generation. Why? Ah, because Obama needs these votes, and he knows he won’t win unless he says something about taxing more to ensure those Social Security benefits are fattened for all those baby boomers retiring. So again, here we go….Poor/lower middle class people should get their cut, baby boomer retirees will get their cut…Who is going to be paying for this again?

[Coronita]

Very good point FLU. I was thinking along the same thing. I wonder if those of you who consider $250k household income to be rich also consider $125k individual income to be rich as well.

The point that he hasn’t clarified this to me is disturbing…It seems he’s just pulling things out of his ass.
I voted against Bush. And though I’m not a McCain fan, like the previous election(s), my vote this time is a vote not “for” someone, but rather ensuring I vote against someone else.

I just find it ironic that folks disappointed about these RE bailouts aren’t equally alarmed about free handouts. Those that make more already *do* pay a hell of a lot more taxes than everyone else. Perhaps others should learn more how to manage their savings instead of buying all sorts of bling bling bling sh!t.

The other thing that is bothering me about Obama…He’s starting to pick candidates from the older baby boomer generation. Why? Ah, because Obama needs these votes, and he knows he won’t win unless he says something about taxing more to ensure those Social Security benefits are fattened for all those baby boomers retiring. So again, here we go….Poor/lower middle class people should get their cut, baby boomer retirees will get their cut…Who is going to be paying for this again?

[DWCAP]

wow, what a thread. just some thoughts.

– Democrats have no more self control over spending than Repub’s. Remember NOTHING would have been spent these past 8 years or so without support from some elected democrats.
The problem is that we have to vote every few years, and always ask “what have you done for me lately?”

– Approaching this from the stand point of “It’s MY money and I dont want to give it to you!” is probolmatic because we tend to forget all the services we consume everyday that is paid for by that money that was “taken” from you. Police, fire, building codes, military, courts, roads, airports, ports, food inspection. These are all services that each and everyone one of us uses everyday. They have a cost, and painful as it may be, passing the hat for firemen isnt exactly an effective way of collecting communal resources. (also, we use alot more of them than most people are willing to admit to themselves.)

-Alot of the buisness owners who we enshrine on here actually owe alot to the government as it is often their blunders and waste that give rise to new buisness. The internet was born by US government spending. Many new Medical improvements are due to NASA, NIH, or similar agency spending. etc etc.

-Everyone always says that we need a smaller gov, but then screams bloody murder if their pet projects get axed. Look at the schools this year. We have been throwing money at the CA public school system for years, and perception is that it is no better or maybe worse. Schools are a vast segment of the CA state budget, and cuts to the big stuff always work best to control costs. But good god, did people howl when cuts were proprosed. Try cuting fire, police, courts, environmental programs, or aid to the sick/elderly and the screams will be just as loud. I agree the GOv needs to get smaller, but I have trouble finding where to make significant cuts. I am against a bailout, so there is 300billion. If you know of other specific GOv programs that need an ax, please let me know what they are. We have atleast a few hundred billion to go to just get our nonwar budget deficts down. If we as a society cant make the cuts, then the services have value and we should be willing to cough up the cash for them.

-Politics always promises more than it delivers. This is election time, and the real bitch of the issue isnt talking about it now, it is delivering it in 2009. Dont think that everything you read now is ever gonna actually happen.

[DWCAP]

wow, what a thread. just some thoughts.

– Democrats have no more self control over spending than Repub’s. Remember NOTHING would have been spent these past 8 years or so without support from some elected democrats.
The problem is that we have to vote every few years, and always ask “what have you done for me lately?”

– Approaching this from the stand point of “It’s MY money and I dont want to give it to you!” is probolmatic because we tend to forget all the services we consume everyday that is paid for by that money that was “taken” from you. Police, fire, building codes, military, courts, roads, airports, ports, food inspection. These are all services that each and everyone one of us uses everyday. They have a cost, and painful as it may be, passing the hat for firemen isnt exactly an effective way of collecting communal resources. (also, we use alot more of them than most people are willing to admit to themselves.)

-Alot of the buisness owners who we enshrine on here actually owe alot to the government as it is often their blunders and waste that give rise to new buisness. The internet was born by US government spending. Many new Medical improvements are due to NASA, NIH, or similar agency spending. etc etc.

-Everyone always says that we need a smaller gov, but then screams bloody murder if their pet projects get axed. Look at the schools this year. We have been throwing money at the CA public school system for years, and perception is that it is no better or maybe worse. Schools are a vast segment of the CA state budget, and cuts to the big stuff always work best to control costs. But good god, did people howl when cuts were proprosed. Try cuting fire, police, courts, environmental programs, or aid to the sick/elderly and the screams will be just as loud. I agree the GOv needs to get smaller, but I have trouble finding where to make significant cuts. I am against a bailout, so there is 300billion. If you know of other specific GOv programs that need an ax, please let me know what they are. We have atleast a few hundred billion to go to just get our nonwar budget deficts down. If we as a society cant make the cuts, then the services have value and we should be willing to cough up the cash for them.

-Politics always promises more than it delivers. This is election time, and the real bitch of the issue isnt talking about it now, it is delivering it in 2009. Dont think that everything you read now is ever gonna actually happen.

[DWCAP]

wow, what a thread. just some thoughts.

– Democrats have no more self control over spending than Repub’s. Remember NOTHING would have been spent these past 8 years or so without support from some elected democrats.
The problem is that we have to vote every few years, and always ask “what have you done for me lately?”

– Approaching this from the stand point of “It’s MY money and I dont want to give it to you!” is probolmatic because we tend to forget all the services we consume everyday that is paid for by that money that was “taken” from you. Police, fire, building codes, military, courts, roads, airports, ports, food inspection. These are all services that each and everyone one of us uses everyday. They have a cost, and painful as it may be, passing the hat for firemen isnt exactly an effective way of collecting communal resources. (also, we use alot more of them than most people are willing to admit to themselves.)

-Alot of the buisness owners who we enshrine on here actually owe alot to the government as it is often their blunders and waste that give rise to new buisness. The internet was born by US government spending. Many new Medical improvements are due to NASA, NIH, or similar agency spending. etc etc.

-Everyone always says that we need a smaller gov, but then screams bloody murder if their pet projects get axed. Look at the schools this year. We have been throwing money at the CA public school system for years, and perception is that it is no better or maybe worse. Schools are a vast segment of the CA state budget, and cuts to the big stuff always work best to control costs. But good god, did people howl when cuts were proprosed. Try cuting fire, police, courts, environmental programs, or aid to the sick/elderly and the screams will be just as loud. I agree the GOv needs to get smaller, but I have trouble finding where to make significant cuts. I am against a bailout, so there is 300billion. If you know of other specific GOv programs that need an ax, please let me know what they are. We have atleast a few hundred billion to go to just get our nonwar budget deficts down. If we as a society cant make the cuts, then the services have value and we should be willing to cough up the cash for them.

-Politics always promises more than it delivers. This is election time, and the real bitch of the issue isnt talking about it now, it is delivering it in 2009. Dont think that everything you read now is ever gonna actually happen.

[DWCAP]

wow, what a thread. just some thoughts.

– Democrats have no more self control over spending than Repub’s. Remember NOTHING would have been spent these past 8 years or so without support from some elected democrats.
The problem is that we have to vote every few years, and always ask “what have you done for me lately?”

– Approaching this from the stand point of “It’s MY money and I dont want to give it to you!” is probolmatic because we tend to forget all the services we consume everyday that is paid for by that money that was “taken” from you. Police, fire, building codes, military, courts, roads, airports, ports, food inspection. These are all services that each and everyone one of us uses everyday. They have a cost, and painful as it may be, passing the hat for firemen isnt exactly an effective way of collecting communal resources. (also, we use alot more of them than most people are willing to admit to themselves.)

-Alot of the buisness owners who we enshrine on here actually owe alot to the government as it is often their blunders and waste that give rise to new buisness. The internet was born by US government spending. Many new Medical improvements are due to NASA, NIH, or similar agency spending. etc etc.

-Everyone always says that we need a smaller gov, but then screams bloody murder if their pet projects get axed. Look at the schools this year. We have been throwing money at the CA public school system for years, and perception is that it is no better or maybe worse. Schools are a vast segment of the CA state budget, and cuts to the big stuff always work best to control costs. But good god, did people howl when cuts were proprosed. Try cuting fire, police, courts, environmental programs, or aid to the sick/elderly and the screams will be just as loud. I agree the GOv needs to get smaller, but I have trouble finding where to make significant cuts. I am against a bailout, so there is 300billion. If you know of other specific GOv programs that need an ax, please let me know what they are. We have atleast a few hundred billion to go to just get our nonwar budget deficts down. If we as a society cant make the cuts, then the services have value and we should be willing to cough up the cash for them.

-Politics always promises more than it delivers. This is election time, and the real bitch of the issue isnt talking about it now, it is delivering it in 2009. Dont think that everything you read now is ever gonna actually happen.

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