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February 28, 2009 at 9:36 AM #357741February 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM #357221ZeitgeistParticipant
This is an old case, but it might give you some insight into the camera or scameras as some people call them.
Subject: IP: Judge dismisses 290 red light camera tickets in San Diego
* From: David Farber
* Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:01:44 -0400http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200109/msg00033.html
February 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM #357524ZeitgeistParticipantThis is an old case, but it might give you some insight into the camera or scameras as some people call them.
Subject: IP: Judge dismisses 290 red light camera tickets in San Diego
* From: David Farber
* Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:01:44 -0400http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200109/msg00033.html
February 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM #357663ZeitgeistParticipantThis is an old case, but it might give you some insight into the camera or scameras as some people call them.
Subject: IP: Judge dismisses 290 red light camera tickets in San Diego
* From: David Farber
* Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:01:44 -0400http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200109/msg00033.html
February 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM #357694ZeitgeistParticipantThis is an old case, but it might give you some insight into the camera or scameras as some people call them.
Subject: IP: Judge dismisses 290 red light camera tickets in San Diego
* From: David Farber
* Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:01:44 -0400http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200109/msg00033.html
February 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM #357802ZeitgeistParticipantThis is an old case, but it might give you some insight into the camera or scameras as some people call them.
Subject: IP: Judge dismisses 290 red light camera tickets in San Diego
* From: David Farber
* Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:01:44 -0400http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200109/msg00033.html
March 8, 2009 at 3:45 AM #362107djcParticipant[quote=garysears]Here is another problem with the red light cameras :
http://www.motorists.org/blog/6-cities-that-were-caught-shortening-yellow-light-times-for-profit/
I remembered reading about Washington D.C. shortening the yellow lights at camera controlled intersections several years ago to increase revenue from red light runners. So I googled it and came up with the above article about other cities. I believe it was around 2000 or 2001 that I read about the case in Washington. Apparently, the company promised a certain amount of revenue would be generated for the city of D.C if they bought the camera system. The problem was that after it was installed D.C. was either making less than planned or actually losing money because people were obeying the law more than expected. So they dramatically shortened the yellow lights to force more violations of the law. That’s right. They sacrificed public safety and made red light violators out of otherwise law abiding citizens.
Don’t think that can’t happen in S.D. Keep an eye on the length of the yellow lights at camera controlled intersections.[/quote]
This DID happen in SD, which is why the camera went dormant for years. Instead of getting paid per ticket, the camera company gets a flat rate no matter how many tickets they issue.
The stop red light runners, however rear end accidents have reportedly gone up!
March 8, 2009 at 3:45 AM #362404djcParticipant[quote=garysears]Here is another problem with the red light cameras :
http://www.motorists.org/blog/6-cities-that-were-caught-shortening-yellow-light-times-for-profit/
I remembered reading about Washington D.C. shortening the yellow lights at camera controlled intersections several years ago to increase revenue from red light runners. So I googled it and came up with the above article about other cities. I believe it was around 2000 or 2001 that I read about the case in Washington. Apparently, the company promised a certain amount of revenue would be generated for the city of D.C if they bought the camera system. The problem was that after it was installed D.C. was either making less than planned or actually losing money because people were obeying the law more than expected. So they dramatically shortened the yellow lights to force more violations of the law. That’s right. They sacrificed public safety and made red light violators out of otherwise law abiding citizens.
Don’t think that can’t happen in S.D. Keep an eye on the length of the yellow lights at camera controlled intersections.[/quote]
This DID happen in SD, which is why the camera went dormant for years. Instead of getting paid per ticket, the camera company gets a flat rate no matter how many tickets they issue.
The stop red light runners, however rear end accidents have reportedly gone up!
March 8, 2009 at 3:45 AM #362549djcParticipant[quote=garysears]Here is another problem with the red light cameras :
http://www.motorists.org/blog/6-cities-that-were-caught-shortening-yellow-light-times-for-profit/
I remembered reading about Washington D.C. shortening the yellow lights at camera controlled intersections several years ago to increase revenue from red light runners. So I googled it and came up with the above article about other cities. I believe it was around 2000 or 2001 that I read about the case in Washington. Apparently, the company promised a certain amount of revenue would be generated for the city of D.C if they bought the camera system. The problem was that after it was installed D.C. was either making less than planned or actually losing money because people were obeying the law more than expected. So they dramatically shortened the yellow lights to force more violations of the law. That’s right. They sacrificed public safety and made red light violators out of otherwise law abiding citizens.
Don’t think that can’t happen in S.D. Keep an eye on the length of the yellow lights at camera controlled intersections.[/quote]
This DID happen in SD, which is why the camera went dormant for years. Instead of getting paid per ticket, the camera company gets a flat rate no matter how many tickets they issue.
The stop red light runners, however rear end accidents have reportedly gone up!
March 8, 2009 at 3:45 AM #362592djcParticipant[quote=garysears]Here is another problem with the red light cameras :
http://www.motorists.org/blog/6-cities-that-were-caught-shortening-yellow-light-times-for-profit/
I remembered reading about Washington D.C. shortening the yellow lights at camera controlled intersections several years ago to increase revenue from red light runners. So I googled it and came up with the above article about other cities. I believe it was around 2000 or 2001 that I read about the case in Washington. Apparently, the company promised a certain amount of revenue would be generated for the city of D.C if they bought the camera system. The problem was that after it was installed D.C. was either making less than planned or actually losing money because people were obeying the law more than expected. So they dramatically shortened the yellow lights to force more violations of the law. That’s right. They sacrificed public safety and made red light violators out of otherwise law abiding citizens.
Don’t think that can’t happen in S.D. Keep an eye on the length of the yellow lights at camera controlled intersections.[/quote]
This DID happen in SD, which is why the camera went dormant for years. Instead of getting paid per ticket, the camera company gets a flat rate no matter how many tickets they issue.
The stop red light runners, however rear end accidents have reportedly gone up!
March 8, 2009 at 3:45 AM #362698djcParticipant[quote=garysears]Here is another problem with the red light cameras :
http://www.motorists.org/blog/6-cities-that-were-caught-shortening-yellow-light-times-for-profit/
I remembered reading about Washington D.C. shortening the yellow lights at camera controlled intersections several years ago to increase revenue from red light runners. So I googled it and came up with the above article about other cities. I believe it was around 2000 or 2001 that I read about the case in Washington. Apparently, the company promised a certain amount of revenue would be generated for the city of D.C if they bought the camera system. The problem was that after it was installed D.C. was either making less than planned or actually losing money because people were obeying the law more than expected. So they dramatically shortened the yellow lights to force more violations of the law. That’s right. They sacrificed public safety and made red light violators out of otherwise law abiding citizens.
Don’t think that can’t happen in S.D. Keep an eye on the length of the yellow lights at camera controlled intersections.[/quote]
This DID happen in SD, which is why the camera went dormant for years. Instead of getting paid per ticket, the camera company gets a flat rate no matter how many tickets they issue.
The stop red light runners, however rear end accidents have reportedly gone up!
March 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM #362330mike92104ParticipantI think we have a civic duty to fight each and every citation we receive. When it costs the city/county/state more to prosecute us then the revenue they receive, they will stop relying on there little cash cow, and actually write citations only when they are deserved. I’m scheduled for court on a ticket of my own.
March 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM #362625mike92104ParticipantI think we have a civic duty to fight each and every citation we receive. When it costs the city/county/state more to prosecute us then the revenue they receive, they will stop relying on there little cash cow, and actually write citations only when they are deserved. I’m scheduled for court on a ticket of my own.
March 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM #362771mike92104ParticipantI think we have a civic duty to fight each and every citation we receive. When it costs the city/county/state more to prosecute us then the revenue they receive, they will stop relying on there little cash cow, and actually write citations only when they are deserved. I’m scheduled for court on a ticket of my own.
March 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM #362814mike92104ParticipantI think we have a civic duty to fight each and every citation we receive. When it costs the city/county/state more to prosecute us then the revenue they receive, they will stop relying on there little cash cow, and actually write citations only when they are deserved. I’m scheduled for court on a ticket of my own.
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