OT: Toyota statements “misleading and inaccurate”

[Aecetia]

According to some of the news today, it is turning into a class action suit.

[svelte]

[quote=flu]
Actually, svelte, my point was exactly directed at those Toyota bashers who seemingly enjoy bashing Toyota for being “foreign”. And I’ll reiterate this again, the complexity involved in a building a vehicle is such that lines between foreign and domestic and a source of “defect” can be pin-pointed to one entity or make/model. And it remains to be seen who else is going to be added to this recall list, considering CTS is a supplier not just for Toyota or Ford. I’ve never owned/leased a Toyota btw.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell that from your post, but if your intent was to state there is virtually no difference between “foreign” and “domestic” automakers, then we are in violent agreement.

I differ with you on your point that, because CTS also makes pedals for Ford, they also will be recalling also. CTS makes pedals to manufacturer’s specs. I doubt Ford specs match Toyota’s bad design.

Interesting to note that this thread started back in November. Once again, Piggington readers/writers are months ahead of the general public…

Also note in the original post Toyota’s statement back in November:
“no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

Geez! Was THAT a load of BS or what? They’re replacing the gas pedal on millions of vehicles just 3 months later!!!

[svelte]

[quote=flu]
Actually, svelte, my point was exactly directed at those Toyota bashers who seemingly enjoy bashing Toyota for being “foreign”. And I’ll reiterate this again, the complexity involved in a building a vehicle is such that lines between foreign and domestic and a source of “defect” can be pin-pointed to one entity or make/model. And it remains to be seen who else is going to be added to this recall list, considering CTS is a supplier not just for Toyota or Ford. I’ve never owned/leased a Toyota btw.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell that from your post, but if your intent was to state there is virtually no difference between “foreign” and “domestic” automakers, then we are in violent agreement.

I differ with you on your point that, because CTS also makes pedals for Ford, they also will be recalling also. CTS makes pedals to manufacturer’s specs. I doubt Ford specs match Toyota’s bad design.

Interesting to note that this thread started back in November. Once again, Piggington readers/writers are months ahead of the general public…

Also note in the original post Toyota’s statement back in November:
“no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

Geez! Was THAT a load of BS or what? They’re replacing the gas pedal on millions of vehicles just 3 months later!!!

[svelte]

[quote=flu]
Actually, svelte, my point was exactly directed at those Toyota bashers who seemingly enjoy bashing Toyota for being “foreign”. And I’ll reiterate this again, the complexity involved in a building a vehicle is such that lines between foreign and domestic and a source of “defect” can be pin-pointed to one entity or make/model. And it remains to be seen who else is going to be added to this recall list, considering CTS is a supplier not just for Toyota or Ford. I’ve never owned/leased a Toyota btw.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell that from your post, but if your intent was to state there is virtually no difference between “foreign” and “domestic” automakers, then we are in violent agreement.

I differ with you on your point that, because CTS also makes pedals for Ford, they also will be recalling also. CTS makes pedals to manufacturer’s specs. I doubt Ford specs match Toyota’s bad design.

Interesting to note that this thread started back in November. Once again, Piggington readers/writers are months ahead of the general public…

Also note in the original post Toyota’s statement back in November:
“no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

Geez! Was THAT a load of BS or what? They’re replacing the gas pedal on millions of vehicles just 3 months later!!!

[svelte]

[quote=flu]
Actually, svelte, my point was exactly directed at those Toyota bashers who seemingly enjoy bashing Toyota for being “foreign”. And I’ll reiterate this again, the complexity involved in a building a vehicle is such that lines between foreign and domestic and a source of “defect” can be pin-pointed to one entity or make/model. And it remains to be seen who else is going to be added to this recall list, considering CTS is a supplier not just for Toyota or Ford. I’ve never owned/leased a Toyota btw.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell that from your post, but if your intent was to state there is virtually no difference between “foreign” and “domestic” automakers, then we are in violent agreement.

I differ with you on your point that, because CTS also makes pedals for Ford, they also will be recalling also. CTS makes pedals to manufacturer’s specs. I doubt Ford specs match Toyota’s bad design.

Interesting to note that this thread started back in November. Once again, Piggington readers/writers are months ahead of the general public…

Also note in the original post Toyota’s statement back in November:
“no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

Geez! Was THAT a load of BS or what? They’re replacing the gas pedal on millions of vehicles just 3 months later!!!

[svelte]

[quote=flu]
Actually, svelte, my point was exactly directed at those Toyota bashers who seemingly enjoy bashing Toyota for being “foreign”. And I’ll reiterate this again, the complexity involved in a building a vehicle is such that lines between foreign and domestic and a source of “defect” can be pin-pointed to one entity or make/model. And it remains to be seen who else is going to be added to this recall list, considering CTS is a supplier not just for Toyota or Ford. I’ve never owned/leased a Toyota btw.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell that from your post, but if your intent was to state there is virtually no difference between “foreign” and “domestic” automakers, then we are in violent agreement.

I differ with you on your point that, because CTS also makes pedals for Ford, they also will be recalling also. CTS makes pedals to manufacturer’s specs. I doubt Ford specs match Toyota’s bad design.

Interesting to note that this thread started back in November. Once again, Piggington readers/writers are months ahead of the general public…

Also note in the original post Toyota’s statement back in November:
“no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

Geez! Was THAT a load of BS or what? They’re replacing the gas pedal on millions of vehicles just 3 months later!!!

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]
Actually, svelte, my point was exactly directed at those Toyota bashers who seemingly enjoy bashing Toyota for being “foreign”. And I’ll reiterate this again, the complexity involved in a building a vehicle is such that lines between foreign and domestic and a source of “defect” can be pin-pointed to one entity or make/model. And it remains to be seen who else is going to be added to this recall list, considering CTS is a supplier not just for Toyota or Ford. I’ve never owned/leased a Toyota btw.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell that from your post, but if your intent was to state there is virtually no difference between “foreign” and “domestic” automakers, then we are in violent agreement.

I differ with you on your point that, because CTS also makes pedals for Ford, they also will be recalling also. CTS makes pedals to manufacturer’s specs. I doubt Ford specs match Toyota’s bad design.

Interesting to note that this thread started back in November. Once again, Piggington readers/writers are months ahead of the general public…

Also note in the original post Toyota’s statement back in November:
“no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

Geez! Was THAT a load of BS or what? They’re replacing the gas pedal on millions of vehicles just 3 months later!!![/quote]

I think that what is happening with a lot of these companies in the past that built their reputation as being reliable cars, is that they have gotten considerably arrogant in doing so .

I had a acura mdx, and while it was mostly reliable,and overall have been happy with it..I did have an issue with a rear passenger door lock sticking/jamming that was preventing anyone from inside or outside from being able to open the door. I had to take this two two separate dealers totaling 6 times to get it fixed…and it was only fixed after I spent a few hours of my own time figuring out what was going on.

To the first dealer’s credit, they tried to replace some parts without question, reseat seals etc. But at the end, both dealers said they couldn’t do more because they weren’t able to reproduce the issue and that Honda of America would no reimburse the labor cost of doing this sort of troubleshooting to the dealer if no problem was found. I don’t know if the dealer was just blowing me off or if Honda really was given their dealership crap, but it was disturbing enough that if the door jammed and we were involved in an accident, there would be no way to get out…So in that case, I had to take matters into my own hands.

Also, I recall back in the 80ies, there was an issue with some honda seat buckles jamming. Honda was quoted as saying americans shouldn’t be eating in the cars and getting all that food crap in the seat belt buckles. Eventually, honda recalled the seat belt buckles.

The irony is, I drive german most of the time, and I’ve just learned to expect most of the stuff breaks all the time….heh heh…though, I’m still looking for a Ford Edge… Ford’s problem right now, imho, is that it’s pretty difficult to buy a car you want. It seems like there’s too many options and if you want something specific, they don’t stock it. I can’t find too many AWD in southern cal. And they either need to order it or fish it from somewhere far. I guess I’ll have to wait until the 2011MY. More plenty of CUV/SUV to choose from.

(Explorer or new Edge with ecoboost, and Jeep Grand Cherokee…).

The companies that I think are going to be big beneficiaries of this Toyota fiasco imho is…..Hyundai/Kia….The timing is almost perfect with the new Sonata…I’m not a big fan of it’s styling, but I have to admit that Hyundai’s got it going on right now…

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]
Actually, svelte, my point was exactly directed at those Toyota bashers who seemingly enjoy bashing Toyota for being “foreign”. And I’ll reiterate this again, the complexity involved in a building a vehicle is such that lines between foreign and domestic and a source of “defect” can be pin-pointed to one entity or make/model. And it remains to be seen who else is going to be added to this recall list, considering CTS is a supplier not just for Toyota or Ford. I’ve never owned/leased a Toyota btw.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell that from your post, but if your intent was to state there is virtually no difference between “foreign” and “domestic” automakers, then we are in violent agreement.

I differ with you on your point that, because CTS also makes pedals for Ford, they also will be recalling also. CTS makes pedals to manufacturer’s specs. I doubt Ford specs match Toyota’s bad design.

Interesting to note that this thread started back in November. Once again, Piggington readers/writers are months ahead of the general public…

Also note in the original post Toyota’s statement back in November:
“no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

Geez! Was THAT a load of BS or what? They’re replacing the gas pedal on millions of vehicles just 3 months later!!![/quote]

I think that what is happening with a lot of these companies in the past that built their reputation as being reliable cars, is that they have gotten considerably arrogant in doing so .

I had a acura mdx, and while it was mostly reliable,and overall have been happy with it..I did have an issue with a rear passenger door lock sticking/jamming that was preventing anyone from inside or outside from being able to open the door. I had to take this two two separate dealers totaling 6 times to get it fixed…and it was only fixed after I spent a few hours of my own time figuring out what was going on.

To the first dealer’s credit, they tried to replace some parts without question, reseat seals etc. But at the end, both dealers said they couldn’t do more because they weren’t able to reproduce the issue and that Honda of America would no reimburse the labor cost of doing this sort of troubleshooting to the dealer if no problem was found. I don’t know if the dealer was just blowing me off or if Honda really was given their dealership crap, but it was disturbing enough that if the door jammed and we were involved in an accident, there would be no way to get out…So in that case, I had to take matters into my own hands.

Also, I recall back in the 80ies, there was an issue with some honda seat buckles jamming. Honda was quoted as saying americans shouldn’t be eating in the cars and getting all that food crap in the seat belt buckles. Eventually, honda recalled the seat belt buckles.

The irony is, I drive german most of the time, and I’ve just learned to expect most of the stuff breaks all the time….heh heh…though, I’m still looking for a Ford Edge… Ford’s problem right now, imho, is that it’s pretty difficult to buy a car you want. It seems like there’s too many options and if you want something specific, they don’t stock it. I can’t find too many AWD in southern cal. And they either need to order it or fish it from somewhere far. I guess I’ll have to wait until the 2011MY. More plenty of CUV/SUV to choose from.

(Explorer or new Edge with ecoboost, and Jeep Grand Cherokee…).

The companies that I think are going to be big beneficiaries of this Toyota fiasco imho is…..Hyundai/Kia….The timing is almost perfect with the new Sonata…I’m not a big fan of it’s styling, but I have to admit that Hyundai’s got it going on right now…

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]
Actually, svelte, my point was exactly directed at those Toyota bashers who seemingly enjoy bashing Toyota for being “foreign”. And I’ll reiterate this again, the complexity involved in a building a vehicle is such that lines between foreign and domestic and a source of “defect” can be pin-pointed to one entity or make/model. And it remains to be seen who else is going to be added to this recall list, considering CTS is a supplier not just for Toyota or Ford. I’ve never owned/leased a Toyota btw.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell that from your post, but if your intent was to state there is virtually no difference between “foreign” and “domestic” automakers, then we are in violent agreement.

I differ with you on your point that, because CTS also makes pedals for Ford, they also will be recalling also. CTS makes pedals to manufacturer’s specs. I doubt Ford specs match Toyota’s bad design.

Interesting to note that this thread started back in November. Once again, Piggington readers/writers are months ahead of the general public…

Also note in the original post Toyota’s statement back in November:
“no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

Geez! Was THAT a load of BS or what? They’re replacing the gas pedal on millions of vehicles just 3 months later!!![/quote]

I think that what is happening with a lot of these companies in the past that built their reputation as being reliable cars, is that they have gotten considerably arrogant in doing so .

I had a acura mdx, and while it was mostly reliable,and overall have been happy with it..I did have an issue with a rear passenger door lock sticking/jamming that was preventing anyone from inside or outside from being able to open the door. I had to take this two two separate dealers totaling 6 times to get it fixed…and it was only fixed after I spent a few hours of my own time figuring out what was going on.

To the first dealer’s credit, they tried to replace some parts without question, reseat seals etc. But at the end, both dealers said they couldn’t do more because they weren’t able to reproduce the issue and that Honda of America would no reimburse the labor cost of doing this sort of troubleshooting to the dealer if no problem was found. I don’t know if the dealer was just blowing me off or if Honda really was given their dealership crap, but it was disturbing enough that if the door jammed and we were involved in an accident, there would be no way to get out…So in that case, I had to take matters into my own hands.

Also, I recall back in the 80ies, there was an issue with some honda seat buckles jamming. Honda was quoted as saying americans shouldn’t be eating in the cars and getting all that food crap in the seat belt buckles. Eventually, honda recalled the seat belt buckles.

The irony is, I drive german most of the time, and I’ve just learned to expect most of the stuff breaks all the time….heh heh…though, I’m still looking for a Ford Edge… Ford’s problem right now, imho, is that it’s pretty difficult to buy a car you want. It seems like there’s too many options and if you want something specific, they don’t stock it. I can’t find too many AWD in southern cal. And they either need to order it or fish it from somewhere far. I guess I’ll have to wait until the 2011MY. More plenty of CUV/SUV to choose from.

(Explorer or new Edge with ecoboost, and Jeep Grand Cherokee…).

The companies that I think are going to be big beneficiaries of this Toyota fiasco imho is…..Hyundai/Kia….The timing is almost perfect with the new Sonata…I’m not a big fan of it’s styling, but I have to admit that Hyundai’s got it going on right now…

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]
Actually, svelte, my point was exactly directed at those Toyota bashers who seemingly enjoy bashing Toyota for being “foreign”. And I’ll reiterate this again, the complexity involved in a building a vehicle is such that lines between foreign and domestic and a source of “defect” can be pin-pointed to one entity or make/model. And it remains to be seen who else is going to be added to this recall list, considering CTS is a supplier not just for Toyota or Ford. I’ve never owned/leased a Toyota btw.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell that from your post, but if your intent was to state there is virtually no difference between “foreign” and “domestic” automakers, then we are in violent agreement.

I differ with you on your point that, because CTS also makes pedals for Ford, they also will be recalling also. CTS makes pedals to manufacturer’s specs. I doubt Ford specs match Toyota’s bad design.

Interesting to note that this thread started back in November. Once again, Piggington readers/writers are months ahead of the general public…

Also note in the original post Toyota’s statement back in November:
“no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

Geez! Was THAT a load of BS or what? They’re replacing the gas pedal on millions of vehicles just 3 months later!!![/quote]

I think that what is happening with a lot of these companies in the past that built their reputation as being reliable cars, is that they have gotten considerably arrogant in doing so .

I had a acura mdx, and while it was mostly reliable,and overall have been happy with it..I did have an issue with a rear passenger door lock sticking/jamming that was preventing anyone from inside or outside from being able to open the door. I had to take this two two separate dealers totaling 6 times to get it fixed…and it was only fixed after I spent a few hours of my own time figuring out what was going on.

To the first dealer’s credit, they tried to replace some parts without question, reseat seals etc. But at the end, both dealers said they couldn’t do more because they weren’t able to reproduce the issue and that Honda of America would no reimburse the labor cost of doing this sort of troubleshooting to the dealer if no problem was found. I don’t know if the dealer was just blowing me off or if Honda really was given their dealership crap, but it was disturbing enough that if the door jammed and we were involved in an accident, there would be no way to get out…So in that case, I had to take matters into my own hands.

Also, I recall back in the 80ies, there was an issue with some honda seat buckles jamming. Honda was quoted as saying americans shouldn’t be eating in the cars and getting all that food crap in the seat belt buckles. Eventually, honda recalled the seat belt buckles.

The irony is, I drive german most of the time, and I’ve just learned to expect most of the stuff breaks all the time….heh heh…though, I’m still looking for a Ford Edge… Ford’s problem right now, imho, is that it’s pretty difficult to buy a car you want. It seems like there’s too many options and if you want something specific, they don’t stock it. I can’t find too many AWD in southern cal. And they either need to order it or fish it from somewhere far. I guess I’ll have to wait until the 2011MY. More plenty of CUV/SUV to choose from.

(Explorer or new Edge with ecoboost, and Jeep Grand Cherokee…).

The companies that I think are going to be big beneficiaries of this Toyota fiasco imho is…..Hyundai/Kia….The timing is almost perfect with the new Sonata…I’m not a big fan of it’s styling, but I have to admit that Hyundai’s got it going on right now…

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]
Actually, svelte, my point was exactly directed at those Toyota bashers who seemingly enjoy bashing Toyota for being “foreign”. And I’ll reiterate this again, the complexity involved in a building a vehicle is such that lines between foreign and domestic and a source of “defect” can be pin-pointed to one entity or make/model. And it remains to be seen who else is going to be added to this recall list, considering CTS is a supplier not just for Toyota or Ford. I’ve never owned/leased a Toyota btw.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell that from your post, but if your intent was to state there is virtually no difference between “foreign” and “domestic” automakers, then we are in violent agreement.

I differ with you on your point that, because CTS also makes pedals for Ford, they also will be recalling also. CTS makes pedals to manufacturer’s specs. I doubt Ford specs match Toyota’s bad design.

Interesting to note that this thread started back in November. Once again, Piggington readers/writers are months ahead of the general public…

Also note in the original post Toyota’s statement back in November:
“no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

Geez! Was THAT a load of BS or what? They’re replacing the gas pedal on millions of vehicles just 3 months later!!![/quote]

I think that what is happening with a lot of these companies in the past that built their reputation as being reliable cars, is that they have gotten considerably arrogant in doing so .

I had a acura mdx, and while it was mostly reliable,and overall have been happy with it..I did have an issue with a rear passenger door lock sticking/jamming that was preventing anyone from inside or outside from being able to open the door. I had to take this two two separate dealers totaling 6 times to get it fixed…and it was only fixed after I spent a few hours of my own time figuring out what was going on.

To the first dealer’s credit, they tried to replace some parts without question, reseat seals etc. But at the end, both dealers said they couldn’t do more because they weren’t able to reproduce the issue and that Honda of America would no reimburse the labor cost of doing this sort of troubleshooting to the dealer if no problem was found. I don’t know if the dealer was just blowing me off or if Honda really was given their dealership crap, but it was disturbing enough that if the door jammed and we were involved in an accident, there would be no way to get out…So in that case, I had to take matters into my own hands.

Also, I recall back in the 80ies, there was an issue with some honda seat buckles jamming. Honda was quoted as saying americans shouldn’t be eating in the cars and getting all that food crap in the seat belt buckles. Eventually, honda recalled the seat belt buckles.

The irony is, I drive german most of the time, and I’ve just learned to expect most of the stuff breaks all the time….heh heh…though, I’m still looking for a Ford Edge… Ford’s problem right now, imho, is that it’s pretty difficult to buy a car you want. It seems like there’s too many options and if you want something specific, they don’t stock it. I can’t find too many AWD in southern cal. And they either need to order it or fish it from somewhere far. I guess I’ll have to wait until the 2011MY. More plenty of CUV/SUV to choose from.

(Explorer or new Edge with ecoboost, and Jeep Grand Cherokee…).

The companies that I think are going to be big beneficiaries of this Toyota fiasco imho is…..Hyundai/Kia….The timing is almost perfect with the new Sonata…I’m not a big fan of it’s styling, but I have to admit that Hyundai’s got it going on right now…

[svelte]

I’ve always had problems finding cars on the lot optioned the way I want, even when I’ve done state-wide searches. 3 of my last 4 vehicles I’ve custom-ordered from the factory.

Makes my cars pretty unique. 🙂

[svelte]

I’ve always had problems finding cars on the lot optioned the way I want, even when I’ve done state-wide searches. 3 of my last 4 vehicles I’ve custom-ordered from the factory.

Makes my cars pretty unique. 🙂

[svelte]

I’ve always had problems finding cars on the lot optioned the way I want, even when I’ve done state-wide searches. 3 of my last 4 vehicles I’ve custom-ordered from the factory.

Makes my cars pretty unique. 🙂

[svelte]

I’ve always had problems finding cars on the lot optioned the way I want, even when I’ve done state-wide searches. 3 of my last 4 vehicles I’ve custom-ordered from the factory.

Makes my cars pretty unique. 🙂

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