OT: Toyota statements “misleading and inaccurate”

[Coronita]

Before we get carried away on jumping on the Toyota pedal recall….Two things that I found interesting:

(1) It’s not just Toyota that has a problem. It appears one other company who is sourcing the pedal from the same supplier………Ford….

(2) Second, folks getting on the high heal of this this sticky pedal issue might also want to read the second paragraph in the article below.

The accelerators in question – subject to recall for sticking and causing unintended acceleration – are made by CTS Corp, based in Elkhart, Indiana. While CTS makes throttle pedal assemblies for other automakers, Toyota and Ford are the only companies thus far to announce production stoppages.

Yup… That’s right.. A U.S. company…. Welcome to globalization…

So this begs the question, who else is gonna be affected, if this was a CTS issue (or as maybe, Toyota just gave them a crappy design).

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/CTS-Corporation-Company-History.html

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/report-toyotas-gas-pedal-supplier-woe-spreads-to-ford-of-china/

Taking every precaution, Ford Motor Co. has stopped production on its Chinese-made Transit Classic diesel models – a full-sized commercial vehicle with a throttle pedal manufactured by the same company behind the Toyota recall. According to Ford, the vehicles began production in December and only about 1,600 vehicles have been produced. There have been no reported problems with the vehicle’s accelerator, but the automaker wants to take a step back to ensure problems will not surface in the future. “That’s part of our routine process – when a company has a recall, you conduct a review and determine if you share any of the same vendors, design, parts,” according to Ford spokesman Said Deep.

The accelerators in question – subject to recall for sticking and causing unintended acceleration – are made by CTS Corp, based in Elkhart, Indiana. While CTS makes throttle pedal assemblies for other automakers, Toyota and Ford are the only companies thus far to announce production stoppages. Thanks for the tip Jarrett!

[svelte]

Wow, Flu.

Thanks for pointing out that the American company, Ford, went the extra mile and stopped production BEFORE a single defect was found in their gas pedals! Which, by the way, are NOT necessarily the same design as the Toyota pedals…they just wanted to be super safe.

They didn’t, like Toyota did, hide or ignore potential pedal problems for YEARS.

You also missed the article, on the same site you quote, that states NHTSA opened an investigation into Toyota unintended acceleration back in 2004 but then dropped it when they decided to limit their investigation to acceleration instances of one second or less (!!!) and therefore eliminated many of the complaints….this one-second-or-less limitation was implemented the same week that NHTSA employee Chris Santucci took a job with Toyota.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/did-nhtsa-know-of-toyota-woes-back-in-2004/

Coincidence?

And I would like to reiterate my point: Toyota is no better than any other car company in terms of quality or ethics – a point that seems entirely wasted on a large swath of Toyota worshippers.

[svelte]

Wow, Flu.

Thanks for pointing out that the American company, Ford, went the extra mile and stopped production BEFORE a single defect was found in their gas pedals! Which, by the way, are NOT necessarily the same design as the Toyota pedals…they just wanted to be super safe.

They didn’t, like Toyota did, hide or ignore potential pedal problems for YEARS.

You also missed the article, on the same site you quote, that states NHTSA opened an investigation into Toyota unintended acceleration back in 2004 but then dropped it when they decided to limit their investigation to acceleration instances of one second or less (!!!) and therefore eliminated many of the complaints….this one-second-or-less limitation was implemented the same week that NHTSA employee Chris Santucci took a job with Toyota.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/did-nhtsa-know-of-toyota-woes-back-in-2004/

Coincidence?

And I would like to reiterate my point: Toyota is no better than any other car company in terms of quality or ethics – a point that seems entirely wasted on a large swath of Toyota worshippers.

[svelte]

Wow, Flu.

Thanks for pointing out that the American company, Ford, went the extra mile and stopped production BEFORE a single defect was found in their gas pedals! Which, by the way, are NOT necessarily the same design as the Toyota pedals…they just wanted to be super safe.

They didn’t, like Toyota did, hide or ignore potential pedal problems for YEARS.

You also missed the article, on the same site you quote, that states NHTSA opened an investigation into Toyota unintended acceleration back in 2004 but then dropped it when they decided to limit their investigation to acceleration instances of one second or less (!!!) and therefore eliminated many of the complaints….this one-second-or-less limitation was implemented the same week that NHTSA employee Chris Santucci took a job with Toyota.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/did-nhtsa-know-of-toyota-woes-back-in-2004/

Coincidence?

And I would like to reiterate my point: Toyota is no better than any other car company in terms of quality or ethics – a point that seems entirely wasted on a large swath of Toyota worshippers.

[svelte]

Wow, Flu.

Thanks for pointing out that the American company, Ford, went the extra mile and stopped production BEFORE a single defect was found in their gas pedals! Which, by the way, are NOT necessarily the same design as the Toyota pedals…they just wanted to be super safe.

They didn’t, like Toyota did, hide or ignore potential pedal problems for YEARS.

You also missed the article, on the same site you quote, that states NHTSA opened an investigation into Toyota unintended acceleration back in 2004 but then dropped it when they decided to limit their investigation to acceleration instances of one second or less (!!!) and therefore eliminated many of the complaints….this one-second-or-less limitation was implemented the same week that NHTSA employee Chris Santucci took a job with Toyota.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/did-nhtsa-know-of-toyota-woes-back-in-2004/

Coincidence?

And I would like to reiterate my point: Toyota is no better than any other car company in terms of quality or ethics – a point that seems entirely wasted on a large swath of Toyota worshippers.

[svelte]

Wow, Flu.

Thanks for pointing out that the American company, Ford, went the extra mile and stopped production BEFORE a single defect was found in their gas pedals! Which, by the way, are NOT necessarily the same design as the Toyota pedals…they just wanted to be super safe.

They didn’t, like Toyota did, hide or ignore potential pedal problems for YEARS.

You also missed the article, on the same site you quote, that states NHTSA opened an investigation into Toyota unintended acceleration back in 2004 but then dropped it when they decided to limit their investigation to acceleration instances of one second or less (!!!) and therefore eliminated many of the complaints….this one-second-or-less limitation was implemented the same week that NHTSA employee Chris Santucci took a job with Toyota.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/did-nhtsa-know-of-toyota-woes-back-in-2004/

Coincidence?

And I would like to reiterate my point: Toyota is no better than any other car company in terms of quality or ethics – a point that seems entirely wasted on a large swath of Toyota worshippers.

[briansd1]

[quote=svelte]
And I would like to reiterate my point: Toyota is no better than any other car company in terms of quality or ethics – a point that seems entirely wasted on a large swath of Toyota worshippers.[/quote]

Believe that you want.

I still think that Toyota makes superior products.

Look at the new Prius. The stamping and body work on that car are beautiful. The creases on the metal are perfectly executed. Compare that to a round, bulbous Ford.

Sorry, I wouldn’t buy an American car. If not a Toyota, I’d buy the other makes before I buy an American car.

I think that it’s generally better to buy Japanese cars manufactured in Japan. You can tell by the VIN number.

[briansd1]

[quote=svelte]
And I would like to reiterate my point: Toyota is no better than any other car company in terms of quality or ethics – a point that seems entirely wasted on a large swath of Toyota worshippers.[/quote]

Believe that you want.

I still think that Toyota makes superior products.

Look at the new Prius. The stamping and body work on that car are beautiful. The creases on the metal are perfectly executed. Compare that to a round, bulbous Ford.

Sorry, I wouldn’t buy an American car. If not a Toyota, I’d buy the other makes before I buy an American car.

I think that it’s generally better to buy Japanese cars manufactured in Japan. You can tell by the VIN number.

[briansd1]

[quote=svelte]
And I would like to reiterate my point: Toyota is no better than any other car company in terms of quality or ethics – a point that seems entirely wasted on a large swath of Toyota worshippers.[/quote]

Believe that you want.

I still think that Toyota makes superior products.

Look at the new Prius. The stamping and body work on that car are beautiful. The creases on the metal are perfectly executed. Compare that to a round, bulbous Ford.

Sorry, I wouldn’t buy an American car. If not a Toyota, I’d buy the other makes before I buy an American car.

I think that it’s generally better to buy Japanese cars manufactured in Japan. You can tell by the VIN number.

[briansd1]

[quote=svelte]
And I would like to reiterate my point: Toyota is no better than any other car company in terms of quality or ethics – a point that seems entirely wasted on a large swath of Toyota worshippers.[/quote]

Believe that you want.

I still think that Toyota makes superior products.

Look at the new Prius. The stamping and body work on that car are beautiful. The creases on the metal are perfectly executed. Compare that to a round, bulbous Ford.

Sorry, I wouldn’t buy an American car. If not a Toyota, I’d buy the other makes before I buy an American car.

I think that it’s generally better to buy Japanese cars manufactured in Japan. You can tell by the VIN number.

[briansd1]

[quote=svelte]
And I would like to reiterate my point: Toyota is no better than any other car company in terms of quality or ethics – a point that seems entirely wasted on a large swath of Toyota worshippers.[/quote]

Believe that you want.

I still think that Toyota makes superior products.

Look at the new Prius. The stamping and body work on that car are beautiful. The creases on the metal are perfectly executed. Compare that to a round, bulbous Ford.

Sorry, I wouldn’t buy an American car. If not a Toyota, I’d buy the other makes before I buy an American car.

I think that it’s generally better to buy Japanese cars manufactured in Japan. You can tell by the VIN number.

[equalizer]

[quote=flu]Before we get carried away on jumping on the Toyota pedal recall….Two things that I found interesting:

[/quote]

The big picture is that the people are ignoring the biggest cause of foul play in this country. You thinking stupid towel-heads with fan-belts? No those monsters can’t hold a candle to real killers. DUI deaths in USA are over 11,000 per year. Ford Exploder tires and Toyota accelerator deaths are << 100 a year. That said, can you really say that Toyota clearly fixed this problem in 2008?? OR called everyone who reported incident a F*** moron? Toyota may have had honor at one time, but they may have learned some fine American PR traits: deceitful, deceptive, delusive, guileful, mendacious, misleading, misrepresenting, misstating, perfidious, prevaricating, unreliable, untruthful, and just plain WRONG. http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1023879_toyota-denies-unintended-acceleration-issues-on-tacoma

http://www.centurycouncil.org/learn-the-facts/drunk-driving-research

[equalizer]

[quote=flu]Before we get carried away on jumping on the Toyota pedal recall….Two things that I found interesting:

[/quote]

The big picture is that the people are ignoring the biggest cause of foul play in this country. You thinking stupid towel-heads with fan-belts? No those monsters can’t hold a candle to real killers. DUI deaths in USA are over 11,000 per year. Ford Exploder tires and Toyota accelerator deaths are << 100 a year. That said, can you really say that Toyota clearly fixed this problem in 2008?? OR called everyone who reported incident a F*** moron? Toyota may have had honor at one time, but they may have learned some fine American PR traits: deceitful, deceptive, delusive, guileful, mendacious, misleading, misrepresenting, misstating, perfidious, prevaricating, unreliable, untruthful, and just plain WRONG. http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1023879_toyota-denies-unintended-acceleration-issues-on-tacoma

http://www.centurycouncil.org/learn-the-facts/drunk-driving-research

[equalizer]

[quote=flu]Before we get carried away on jumping on the Toyota pedal recall….Two things that I found interesting:

[/quote]

The big picture is that the people are ignoring the biggest cause of foul play in this country. You thinking stupid towel-heads with fan-belts? No those monsters can’t hold a candle to real killers. DUI deaths in USA are over 11,000 per year. Ford Exploder tires and Toyota accelerator deaths are << 100 a year. That said, can you really say that Toyota clearly fixed this problem in 2008?? OR called everyone who reported incident a F*** moron? Toyota may have had honor at one time, but they may have learned some fine American PR traits: deceitful, deceptive, delusive, guileful, mendacious, misleading, misrepresenting, misstating, perfidious, prevaricating, unreliable, untruthful, and just plain WRONG. http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1023879_toyota-denies-unintended-acceleration-issues-on-tacoma

http://www.centurycouncil.org/learn-the-facts/drunk-driving-research

[equalizer]

[quote=flu]Before we get carried away on jumping on the Toyota pedal recall….Two things that I found interesting:

[/quote]

The big picture is that the people are ignoring the biggest cause of foul play in this country. You thinking stupid towel-heads with fan-belts? No those monsters can’t hold a candle to real killers. DUI deaths in USA are over 11,000 per year. Ford Exploder tires and Toyota accelerator deaths are << 100 a year. That said, can you really say that Toyota clearly fixed this problem in 2008?? OR called everyone who reported incident a F*** moron? Toyota may have had honor at one time, but they may have learned some fine American PR traits: deceitful, deceptive, delusive, guileful, mendacious, misleading, misrepresenting, misstating, perfidious, prevaricating, unreliable, untruthful, and just plain WRONG. http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1023879_toyota-denies-unintended-acceleration-issues-on-tacoma

http://www.centurycouncil.org/learn-the-facts/drunk-driving-research

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